Wonderlic score database

[den-the-coach]

[footballiqscore.com]

 

[den-the-coach]

Love this as Jim Kelly scores a 15 & Dan Marino a 16, but that was before players knew these tests were coming and now can practice. However, Lamar Jackson scores a 13 and Vince Young scored a 6....Jared Goff a 36 edged out by Carson Wentz who scored a 40.

Best scores Mike Mamula (49), who was a great test taker along with a great combine catapulted up the draft charts, getting him to being a first round pick by the Eagles and being a bust. Ryan Fitzpatrick the Harvard alum came in with a 48.

 

[Tailback]

I'd like to see a wonderlic score breakdown of everyone drafted during Fisher's tenure.

 

[Akrasian]

I'd like to see a wonderlic score breakdown of everyone drafted during Fisher's tenure.

The scale doesn't allow for negative numbers

 

[kurtfaulk]

The scale doesn't allow for negative numbers

for every great pick they made there were 10 dullards.

brockers, AD, gurley, goff.

negated by pretty much everyone else. that's a large exaggeration because they did draft some other smart players that could play but were overwhelmed by players that didn't want to put the work in and had horrible discipline. exacerbated by the free agents they bought in.

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[oldnotdead]

Personally I don't believe in Wonderlic due to abuse. It's relevance in the NFL is questionable as a number of studies over the last 20 years have shown there really isn't any correlation between the scores and the player's ability to play well. Low scores can and do subject people to prejudice that simply doesn't go away. Just look at the comments in this thread. I would rather judge people by what they show, not what they score. My sister went to high school with a football player that eventually won the Heisman. Then someone leaked his low wonderlic score and he's been subjected to ridicule ever since. Another friend scored low but holds a doctorate in physics and it did affect his ability to get jobs.

There simply is too much room for abuse for the questionable probative value.

 

[Merlin]

Low scores can and do subject people to prejudice that simply doesn't go away. Just look at the comments in this thread. I would rather judge people by what they show, not what they score.

So you don't get a chuckle out of the famous story of Hollywood Henderson saying Terry Bradshaw was so stupid he "couldn’t spell ‘cat’ if you spotted him the c-a?"

 

[oldnotdead]

No because holding people up to ridicule isn't my thing. IMO nothing could be more threatening to make your job contingent upon a Wonderlic score. You are handing people who don't like you a club to beat you with. I was a regional manager for an international corporation, one everyone here would recognize. A new HR head decided that all employees with less than 10 years experience needed to take the test. I watched as people who had been excellent workers in every way get totally screwed. Low score meant no raises and promotions. People who had done less and weren't as good were promoted over them. I objected and was asked to re-sign. I'd been there 14 yrs with awards for my performance. I didn't take the test but watched what happened to those who were required to take it.

I left and started my own company and ran it for 33 years. The only thing I asked of my employees was honesty, diligence in their work and doing it right the first time as well as getting along with their co-workers. There is no such thing as confidentiality with something like Wonderlic scores. You don't have to be the brightest bulb in the room, that doesn't make you by definition the least competent person in the workforce. My business was tech related so I know what I'm talking about. I know many very intelligent people, but they also lack the focus to be detail oriented. Which to me would be important to an NFL player.

Goff had a pretty good score, but didn't know that sunrise was in the east and sunset in the west. I suppose that makes him stupid? What goes unsaid is that that those with better education test better. That's all that says. The Wonderlic and even tests like the LSAT (which I did take and passed) are psychological tests not tests of business, athletic, or in the case of the LSAT legal acumen. Free thinkers and those with strong independent or creative mindsets often don't test well, but to me that might be a strength in an athlete as it can be in business.

Let me be totally honest with people here. I have congenital disabilities so yes I'm sensitive to these sorts of things.

 

[CGI_Ram]

The Wonderlic should just be another data point in the evaluation.

It is a test you must read to take, so by its nature... reading comprehension is a big component. Not a fast reader? Your score will suffer. So take everything with a grain of salt. Reading speed is not a direct tie to intelligence.

That said; it was a valid data point with Tavon Austin. He struggled to pick up the offense.

 

[SteveBrown]

I'd like to see a wonderlic score breakdown of everyone drafted during Fisher's tenure.

LOL-No you don't, negative numbers are no fun to view.

 

[SteveBrown]

....these sorts of things.

LIke what you wrote overall; think that IQ tests misrepresent a lot---and don't measure spatial IQ, and creativity and all sorts of other things that could matter in the NFL; however, O lineman, WRs and QBs probably need to be well-versed in what "society" deems "education" because the NFL's system in based in the world's system--which IQ tests partially measure.. Safeties, MLBs and TEs could be added to the 'need' intelligence list, too.

Most guys who are "smart" get pretty good scores; guys like Marino and Peyton Manning are for sure not 'so smart', and it didn't matter because of skill, and for the latter work ethic made him look smart (yes, I am not so smart myself, that is why I recognize Marino and Manning as avg.).

It is very evident that the O lineman that the Rams drafted last year and this year, have good intelligence; add the safety, too. I think 3 of those lineman have a decent level of physical talent, but it is evident to me that there were many other lineman the Rams didn't draft and I think IQ tests is part of that reason. Evans the G/T was known as a good 'communicator'---which is huge, too---and may be a sign of intelligence or confidence, or just loving to be 'sure' about what will happen on the field; either way Evans is all good!

RBs probably have the least nned for huge intelligence- notice RBs like A Petereson who are/were taken off the field on passing downs. AP, after 10 years, still can't stay on the field on passing downs---this probably indicates he is 'lower' than the other RBs in intelligence (can't set up a screen, and hands, maybe, too)....probably.. IQ tests do reveal something, but certainly not everything. Look at how Bradford was 'lost', despite being highly intelligent and a geat athlete in gen. Heath Shuler, old QB, had a low score, and the press reported that 'in shorts' no one could throw like him, but once the action came, he couldn't handle it. NOtice the passing down RBs are always smarter--whether it is Amp Lee or Ronnie Harmon or Faulk....they are always more intellgient.

Intelligence in the NFL matters, and the NFL uses a test to find the smart guys, and elevate them, while at the same time, in a bad way, guys like Tavon and Greg Robinson get many times get a 'pass' on this important trait. Their inability to 'handle' a system cost the Rams seriously. I am not surprised about Tavon, but I am about Robinson---if I remember he had a decent score (high teens, or up to 23 or something). I find myself being TOTALLY deficient in understanding systems--I am very, very slow to recognize certain patterns; and so, maybe I am like Greg Robinson in my own way. Thank you Jesus that there are other things that I can do with talents He gives.

 

[den-the-coach]

No because holding people up to ridicule isn't my thing. IMO nothing could be more threatening to make your job contingent upon a Wonderlic score.

Many jobs at most levels require you to pass assessments or a test (State & Federal), now, those are not posted, but if you fail, you don't get hired. In the Military they require you to take the ASVAB Test and those test were posted right in our dorm on the door for everyone to see, so yes, the athletes might get some guff, but they can take it IMHO and actually some of the guys that were having trouble in basic training from a physical aspect were helped because others would say "Did you see how they scored?" So that actually helped them avoid ridicule, which makes it a double edge sword.

 

[SteveBrown]

The scale doesn't allow for negative numbers

Sorry I just read this....I didnt steal your great idea...

 

[Tailback]

The Wonderlic should just be another data point in the evaluation.

It is a test you must read to take, so by its nature... reading comprehension is a big component. Not a fast reader? Your score will suffer. So take everything with a grain of salt. Reading speed is not a direct tie to intelligence.

That said; it was a valid data point with Tavon Austin. He struggled to pick up the offense.

Test results should always be taken with a grain of salt. Like a block of pink Himalayan size. According to the tests, I had a college reading level in 4th grade. I was a very good test taker also. My high level math skills were/are not good. Once I got into higher algebra in High School it was like hitting a wall. I went on to almost finish a associates degree and ended up doing manual labor.Eventually I fell into a nice public works job. My wife OTOH has dyslexia, stinks at taking tests, and has her bachelors degree. She's intelligent for sure, but the tests in her case wouldn't show that.

All that being said, a lot of Fisher picks seemed dumb as a bag of hammers.

 

[SteezyEndo]

Many jobs at most levels require you to pass assessments or a test (State & Federal), now, those are not posted, but if you fail, you don't get hired. In the Military they require you to take the ASVAB Test and those test were posted right in our dorm on the door for everyone to see, so yes, the athletes might get some guff, but they can take it IMHO and actually some of the guys that were having trouble in basic training from a physical aspect were helped because others would say "Did you see how they scored?" So that actually helped them avoid ridicule, which makes it a double edge sword.

I scored low on ASVAB got open contract 0621. I excelled in communication/computers anyways...Most test are meant to intimidate. Where as the educational academia in general.

 

[Mister Sin]

I just had to take this for a potential job. It’s harder than you would think. You only get 12 minutes and 50 questions.

I got a 37. I only got to question 45. I am super impressed with someone getting high 40’s. But a fucking 6 Vince Young? Lol

When taking this test they told me that scoring an “8” was on par with what’s considered literate. And. 16 was needed to be considered for employment. Lol funny to see how many pros couldn’t get a job like this lol. And I don’t believe you need to be smart to do such a thing. Lol

 

[Mister Sin]

I scored low on ASVAB got open contract 0621. I excelled in communication/computers anyways...Most test are meant to intimidate. Where as the educational academia in general.

The ASVAB is important if you desire certain Jobs. When I joined the Navy, I wanted to be an MA and because of my score, they wouldn’t allow it....not so much “not allow” as pushed very hard to go another direction.

 

[Corbin]

I had a Wonderlic at previous employer but already had the job, it was more a formality so I guessed and finished in like 2-3 minutes. I got a 22.

 

[Mister Sin]

I had a Wonderlic at previous employer but already had the job, it was more a formality so I guessed and finished in like 2-3 minutes. I got a 22.

Better man that me. I’m a second guesser!