Will Sullivan be back

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Letting Sully go was inevitable. He really
started to regress, see the Chicago and Philly games.

I don’t think Brian Allen is ready or the answer at center.

Move Blythe to center and Noteboom to guard. Draft a Guard as a backup to groom for when Noteboom takes over at LT.

Sign Saffold AsAP. The Sully savings should be used on Saffold.

Mad Appreciation for a classy guy in Sullivan who really solidified things for us for nearly 2 years up front, until father time started to hit!
 

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I thought Sullivan was actually very solid last year, except against dominant DTs that could bull rush and/or overpower their opponents, when he seemed to struggle heavily. Now, countless linemen have been bullied by the likes of Fletcher Cox, so you can't over-react to that, but with Sully it was a recurring trend of too common regularity. It was the right time to move on if he wants to be paid like a starter. If he wants to come back as a depth piece for less money, we'd be crazy not to pursue it.
 

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I'm betting on Blythe at Center.

That way we can have more beef at the guard position with a Noteboom.
Prepare for the worst and hope for the best...I feel like we will lose Saffold. If so...

Whit....Noteboom....FA/Groy....Blythe....Hav
 

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Good luck to Sully. He helped us a ton with his experience and intelligence at center.
 

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I think holding on to Saffold is critical. Last thing we want is question marks on the line that extends thru our depth.
 

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I'm betting on Blythe at Center.

That way we can have more beef at the guard position with a Noteboom.

Beef isn't the key in the ZBS, though, it's moreso guys who can move well and string things along. It's not a bad thing of course (see Saffold), but you want guys with some mobility and technique moreso than the monsters the man type schemes prefer.

I think Blythe really took off in this scheme because of that, and because of playing at guard. I don't see them messing with him, unless Allen really tanks in camp. But I do expect them to draft some more young guys who fit and have some great competition going on the interior with the bookends set.
 

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I am sure that McVay & Kromer watched & rewatched that SB game a dozen or more times. Bill (Pats) knew just how to destroy Sullivan's game from very early & JS had no answer.

I believe 6-1 305 pound Brian Allen is a better answer to what we observed took place in the SB where those NT's blew the middle of the Ram OL back just about on every snap. Those NT's will have to work harder to get under this fire hydrant Allen in order to move him out.

I would not assume that the ex-Black Bear LT 6-5/325 Jamil Demby is an afterthought in the future planning of this Ram OL. Any fans here who had the abilities to watch all of this past 2018 preseason games saw an OL'er who played much better on the left side of the OL than right. Demby was far behind the other rookie OL'ers & was soft but there is some serious size & power that can be utilized @ OG in this ZBS. I expect this season that we see some good improvements in his skills.
 

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I am sure that McVay & Kromer watched & rewatched that SB game a dozen or more times. Bill (Pats) knew just how to destroy Sullivan's game from very early & JS had no answer.

I believe 6-1 305 pound Brian Allen is a better answer to what we observed took place in the SB where those NT's blew the middle of the Ram OL back just about on every snap. Those NT's will have to work harder to get under this fire hydrant Allen in order to move him out.

I would not assume that the ex-Black Bear LT 6-5/325 Jamil Demby is an afterthought in the future planning of this Ram OL. Any fans here who had the abilities to watch all of this past 2018 preseason games saw an OL'er who played much better on the left side of the OL than right. Demby was far behind the other rookie OL'ers & was soft but there is some serious size & power that can be utilized @ OG in this ZBS. I expect this season that we see some good improvements in his skills.

So are you thinking it was more Sullivan getting blown up than Blythe?
 

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So are you thinking it was more Sullivan getting blown up than Blythe?
Both! :palm:..... but Blythe had a much better overall season than Sullivan. Blythe is only 26 & just finished up his first NFL season as a starter & is trending upward in his production on the field. Sullivan will soon be 34 yrs old has started for close to a decade & has been on a downward decline :help:for many yrs now. Sullivan cap hit was $6.25 mil & Blythe is only $ 2 mil. Blythe can play 3 positions whereas Sully plays just one post.
 

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So are you thinking it was more Sullivan getting blown up than Blythe?
If he’s not I am. Not saying Blythe wasn’t bad, but Sullivan was just being abused. If Saffold does leave then Noteboom takes LG, Allen at center, Blythe still at RG. If Saffold stays, Allen at center, with Noteboom at RG. Somehow I believe Noteboom will be a starter.
 
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Both! :palm:..... but Blythe had a much better overall season than Sullivan. Blythe is only 26 & just finished up his first NFL season as a starter & is trending upward in his production on the field. Sullivan will soon be 34 yrs old has started for close to a decade & has been on a downward decline :help:for many yrs now. Sullivan cap hit was $6.25 mil & Blythe is only $ 2 mil. Blythe can play 3 positions whereas Sully plays just one post.

Agreed. Blythe is above average in our scheme at RG. Not sure that would be true at Center and I think that's why we got him off the discard heap in the first place. But it's not going to matter, because they'll bring in some depth in this draft at OG/C and let the kids compete.
 

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Beef isn't the key in the ZBS, though, it's moreso guys who can move well and string things along. It's not a bad thing of course (see Saffold), but you want guys with some mobility and technique moreso than the monsters the man type schemes prefer.

I think Blythe really took off in this scheme because of that, and because of playing at guard. I don't see them messing with him, unless Allen really tanks in camp. But I do expect them to draft some more young guys who fit and have some great competition going on the interior with the bookends set.
Don't we run a combination ZBS/MBS?

I've seen elements of both in our run game.

It was actually 300lb Blythe that looked weakest in the pass blocking game.

He was flat RUN OVER a few times in the playoffs.

So the beef is helpful but they definitely have to be able to move for this ZBS plays.
 

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https://www.therams.com/news/what-are-the-rams-options-for-center
What are the Rams options for center?
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With the Rams declining the option on center John Sullivan’s contract, the Rams now have a clear offseason vacancy on the offseason line heading into 2019.

Sullivan has been a staple of the Rams’ five up front since signing with the team as an unrestricted free agent back in the 2017 offseason. He started each game for Los Angeles since that time — aside from Week 17 in 2017 when L.A. rested its starters — and was instrumental in furthering quarterback Jared Goff’s development on the field. Goff often touted Sullivan’s ability to read defenses at the line of scrimmage and get the protections right.

But with the Rams moving on from Sullivan and left guard Rodger Saffold set to become an unrestricted free agent next week, Los Angeles could potentially have to replace two key pillars of the OL.

There are, however, a few internal replacement options — for both Sullivan and Saffold.

Essentially in preparation for this kind of situation, Los Angeles selected offensive lineman Joseph Noteboom and Brian Allen with its first two draft picks in 2018. While Noteboom and Allen didn’t get much playing time in 2018, they both routinely practiced with the first-team offense when Sullivan and Andrew Whitworth would receive their regular vet days.

Pairing that factor with run game coordinator/offensive line coach Aaron Kromer’s expertise in teaching OL technique could be a recipe for success up front with the young players in 2019.


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“You are so appreciative of what John Sullivan and Rodger Saffold have done for this organization and really for us specifically for the last two years that we’ve all been here together,” head coach Sean McVay told therams.com at the Combine last week. “But there is a confidence that Joe Noteboom and Brian Allen are ready to step up in larger roles, but those are things that we’ll navigate through.”

“I think that any time you are able to draft guys like that — and coach Kromer’s done a great job of developing them. They had a great chance to play some significant roles last year, they got a lot of practice work, and they are guys that eventually — whether that’s this year, or years to come — we feel confident that they are starting-caliber players that’ll be ready to play and play at a high level.”

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So at this point, it seems like Allen could potentially step in at center and Noteboom could potentially slide in at left guard if necessary. While that at first glance may seem like a more natural fit for Allen than Noteboom, Noteboom was cross-training at guard during last year’s offseason program and training camp — with the thought that he could potentially replace Jamon Brown at right guard for the first two games of the season.

That job, of course, went to Austin Blythe, who kept it throughout the 2018 season. But Blythe could be another option at center, as he was the backup at the spot in 2017 and performed well in spot duty when called upon.

Either way, it appears the Rams will be able to fill the center spot with an internal option if they choose. But, of course, there’s a lot of time between now and Week 1 for Los Angeles to figure that out.
 

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Letting Sully go was inevitable. He really
started to regress, see the Chicago and Philly games.

I don’t think Brian Allen is ready or the answer at center.

Move Blythe to center and Noteboom to guard. Draft a Guard as a backup to groom for when Noteboom takes over at LT.

Sign Saffold AsAP. The Sully savings should be used on Saffold.

Mad Appreciation for a classy guy in Sullivan who really solidified things for us for nearly 2 years up front, until father time started to hit!


Two things:

One, McVay has said that he thinks Allen IS ready and the answer at center.

Two, everyday that Saffold isn't re-signed (prior to FA), the odds that he will be a Ram next year plummet.

Whitworth-Noteboom-Allen-Blythe-Havenstein is the most likely starting OL. IMO depth will come from signing Groy and drafting at least one or two, just like we did last year.

I think had Whitworth retired, we would have used those cap savings to re-sign Saffold, but that we were never going to have both back.