Who's your pick to be the breakout quarterback of 2020?

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Patrick Mahomes in 2018. Lamar Jackson in 2019. Who's your pick to be the breakout quarterback of 2020?

Bowen: Drew Lock, Broncos. Lock has all the traits of a top-end thrower -- plus decent movement skills -- to make the second-year jump under new offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur. Up next for Denver? Bolster the offense around its quarterback, adding more speed to pair with the big-play ability of wide receiver Courtland Sutton and tight end Noah Fant.

Clay: Kyler Murray, Cardinals. Mahomes and Jackson broke out in their second professional season, and I fully expect that to be the case for Murray. The first overall pick in 2019 got plenty of experience as a rookie, ranking ninth in the league in pass attempts and third in carries. With a better supporting cast and in coach Kliff Kingsbury's second season, Murray is primed for a giant step forward.

Fowler: Daniel Jones, Giants. He makes big plays, he's mobile, and the Giants should have better support around him. If he learns to take care of the ball -- he had 12 interceptions and fumbled 12 times last season -- he'll be a huge presence in the NFC East.

Graziano: Daniel Jones, Giants. The turnovers are a major problem, but they were for Jackson this time last year, too. Jones gets that problem ironed out under a new, more engaged coaching staff, and we see more of the splash games from a Giants team that ... I mean, it has to get better one of these years, right?

Kimes: Kyler Murray, Cardinals. Until the end of the 2019 season, when he was banged up, Murray displayed many of the tools that compelled the Cardinals to take him first overall -- athleticism, a live arm and an electric ability to make plays outside the pocket. Both he and Kingsbury improved as the season went on, and I expect the pair to take another leap forward in 2020.

Reid: Kyler Murray, Cardinals. He'd might as well wear a T-shirt that reads "Next."

Seifert: Baker Mayfield, Browns. While Murray is the obvious (and possibly correct) answer, we shouldn't overlook the potential impact of the Browns' new coaching staff on Mayfield. I expect Kevin Stefanski to do the same thing for Mayfield that he did for Kirk Cousins in 2019: Identify what Mayfield does well and emphasize it throughout every game plan. The Browns have more than enough weapons to make it work around him.

Yates: Kyler Murray, Cardinals. There are too many positive signs from this season to look past Murray. I'm champing at the bit to watch him next season.
 

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Murray is just sooooo small. I have a hard time getting past his size to think he has breakout potential like Mahomes or Jackson.

But, I get why he is on lists.
 

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Murray is just sooooo small. I have a hard time getting past his size to think he has breakout potential like Mahomes or Jackson.

But, I get why he is on lists.
Gotta get out of this John Elway Stone Age way of thinking, man.
 

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Gotta get out of this John Elway Stone Age way of thinking, man.

I hear ya. But you got to admit the wheel was a great invention, second only to harnessing fire. (y)

:giggle:

I didn’t see a ton of Cardinal games, but he did show enough so I get the optimism.
 

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Gotta get out of this John Elway Stone Age way of thinking, man.
Actually for me it's more of a Robert Griffin III way of thinking. Very talented QB that likes to run and is slight of build. Not going to deny he's good but he's mobile and slim. It only takes a couple hits to start an injury history and lets be honest there. The Rams have a history of hurting Arizona QB's and a guy who hits QB's more than anybody else in the NFL.
 

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Actually for me it's more of a Robert Griffin III way of thinking. Very talented QB that likes to run and is slight of build. Not going to deny he's good but he's mobile and slim. It only takes a couple hits to start an injury history and lets be honest there. The Rams have a history of hurting Arizona QB's and a guy who hits QB's more than anybody else in the NFL.
Could also go the Russell Wilson way of thinking. Smaller stature QB that knows & when to slide to avoid big hits.

I mean, is RG3 going to be the comparison for every QB with good athleticism that comes onto the scene from now on? That seems to be the theme here.
 

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Too easy to pick Murray and each time he faced the Rams, he seemed hurt, so I will refrain from picking Murray to have a break out year as I concur with others that injury could factor in, so who will it be?

I really like Daniel Jones of the New York football Giants, but I'm not crazy over their Head Coach hire or their Offensive Coordinator in Jason Garrett, so they have to prove it to me first, so I will go with the other New York Quarterback in Sam Darnold as under Adam Gase, the 2nd year should show growth and Darnold won't be battling mono either. Many will have Jones, but the Jets should improve on offense and either be an epic fail and Gase will be shown the door or the offense comes around under Darnold and gives Jet fans hope for the future.
 

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Could also go the Russell Wilson way of thinking. Smaller stature QB that knows & when to slide to avoid big hits.

I mean, is RG3 going to be the comparison for every QB with good athleticism that comes onto the scene from now on? That seems to be the theme here.
Wilson and Jackson have shown so far to be adept at avoiding a lot of tackles but yes you're correct. We'll see how Kyler does in that regards in the next few years. But every slight of build QB coming up is going to have people thinking this same thing until they prove they can avoid the hits. Hell look at Cam he's thick as a ILB but he encourages the hits and where is he? Constantly hurt. Even pocket QB's need to do their best to avoid the hits whether that's rolling out or getting rid of the ball quickly.
 

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I mean, is RG3 going to be the comparison for every QB with good athleticism that comes onto the scene from now on? That seems to be the theme here.

It's not just Griffin, there are plenty of other comparisons. It's just true that QB's who run a lot usually get hurt and have shorter careers that are less productive on the back end.

With Murray's stature he is almost certainly going to get hurt more than normal and there is a chance it damages his career trajectory.

Meanwhile one of the most athletic QB in recent NFL history never gets brought up because he isn't a running QB. ARodgers.

Do you think the way the Ravens are using Jackson is sustainable?
 

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It's not just Griffin, there are plenty of other comparisons. It's just true that QB's who run a lot usually get hurt and have shorter careers that are less productive on the back end.

With Murray's stature he is almost certainly going to get hurt more than normal and there is a chance it damages his career trajectory.

Meanwhile one of the most athletic QB in recent NFL history never gets brought up because he isn't a running QB. ARodgers.

Do you think the way the Ravens are using Jackson is sustainable?
I really don’t feel like reiterating this take again like I did before the season so I’ll just share this article which I feel similar thoughts to down below.

Also, Aaron Rodgers has dealt with numerous injuries over the years. I’m not sure if you’re using him to prove your point or not.

 

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Mitchell Trubisky. Book it.

Although I do think he really will get better.
 

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Too early still. Need to see how teams approach the offseason first. Right now Murray is easy money but there are some other guys who might make big improvement with better line play and pieces around them.
 

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Taysom Hill.... LMAO nah im going with Lock or Murray. Leaning more towards Kyler though.

On another note the Rams OL gets fixed and Goffs goes off again.
 

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I really don’t feel like reiterating this take again like I did before the season so I’ll just share this article which I feel similar thoughts to down below.

Also, Aaron Rodgers has dealt with numerous injuries over the years. I’m not sure if you’re using him to prove your point or not.


I used AR because he is a fantastic athlete but isn't a "running QB".

The article is lukewarm because it's comparing number of plays to injury not the number of times a QB is getting hit. If a QB leaves the pocket and gets yards and then steps out of bounds that can't be weighted the same as a QB leaving the pocket getting some yards then getting hit hard.

Not all plays are equal.

Also using some qb's that haven't played more than a couple of seasons, at the time Jackson had 18 games under his belt, is a bit off-putting to me. One has to look 3,4 or more years down the road to see the cumulative effects. And even then the injury can come from total wear and tear and not happen on a running play.

QB's who run are putting themselves at additional risk. And a player the size of Murray carries additional risks on top of that.

Griffin is the example held up recently, but in reality normally even running QB's don't break down that quickly. So I'll agree with you on the Griffin part it's a bad comparison.
 

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I used AR because he is a fantastic athlete but isn't a "running QB".

The article is lukewarm because it's comparing number of plays to injury not the number of times a QB is getting hit. If a QB leaves the pocket and gets yards and then steps out of bounds that can't be weighted the same as a QB leaving the pocket getting some yards then getting hit hard.

Not all plays are equal.

Also using some qb's that haven't played more than a couple of seasons, at the time Jackson had 18 games under his belt, is a bit off-putting to me. One has to look 3,4 or more years down the road to see the cumulative effects. And even then the injury can come from total wear and tear and not happen on a running play.

QB's who run are putting themselves at additional risk. And a player the size of Murray carries additional risks on top of that.

Griffin is the example held up recently, but in reality normally even running QB's don't break down that quickly. So I'll agree with you on the Griffin part it's a bad comparison.
Why does it carry additional risks for Murray? Regardless of his size, he’s not looking for contact at all. He’s not Ben, Cam, Wentz or Watson trying to run through defenders because he know he doesn’t have the frame like they do(which is a gift & a curse on their part).

Every QB is going to get hit “hard”. Kyler is no different. Goff is no different. Darnold is no different. Russ is no different. It’s the ones that knows how to take those hits that will survive longer than the others.
 

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Murray will always have to may his living outside of the pocket due to his height.....much like Wussell. Whether he can make it work like the other umpa loompa is anyone's guess at this point. I don't like his chances tho....you basically lose half of the field as an option with a roll out QB unless he has an arm like Rogers or Mahomes.
 

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Goff because he's going to go 18-0, 5,500 yards, 60 TD's, 0 picks, and finally after winning MVP, and Super Bowl MVP, the media will start to say that he's a good QB.