Who will lead the Rams in QB sacks?

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Who will lead the team in QB sacks?

The LA Rams were the fourth-ranked defense in the defensive category of quarterback sacks in 2019. The Rams used a group effort to rack up 50 sacks, just four less than the NFL leading Pittsburgh Steelers’ mark of 54. While some individuals dropped, the Rams’ efforts were a significant improvement over the 41 recorded in 2018 and a slight improvement over the 48 sacks registered in 2017.

So why ask the question? Well, of the Rams’ 50 sacks in 2019, 23 sacks came from players no longer on the team. Those 23 sacks from players Cory Littleton (3.5), Clay Matthews (8.0), and Dante Fowler Jr. (11.5) will need to come from other players. So who will step up in 2020?

Default AD?

Of course, the first and likely accurate guess is All-Pro Aaron Donald. After all, he’s led the team in that department since 2015. Even in 2014, his rookie season, he was a close second. So have we given the answer away before we even get to explore the defensive roster? I’m not as certain as I once was. After all, if the Rams defensive philosophy is that of deception, then wouldn’t it make more sense to feature someone not named Aaron Donald in the pass rush department?

Well, it will very difficult for the Rams to pass up Donald’s ability to bring down a quarterback. After all, he’s damned good at it. But if the defense intends to work with versatility and deception, then the team cannot simply sit back and await the pressure on the QB to come from just one man. So let’s explore who might generate some pass rush in 2020?

0 – 2 Sacks

If a team wants to create quarterback pressure, that pressure cannot be limited to several pass-rush specialists. A defense must be able to generate pressure upon the quarterback from unexpected players. Last season, the LA Rams generated from zero to two quarterback sacks from five separate players.

That was not by accident. Four of the players were young players learning the ropes of life in the NFL trenches. Only cornerback Troy Hill had success blitzing successfully to get to the quarterback. Will the Rams throw more players at the quarterback this season? I suspect that will be the plan, as blitzes tend to throw off a quarterback’s rhythm.

DBS only?

While the first pass suggests that the Rams will have defensive backs in this category, are they the only players who will qualify? After all, Taylor Rapp and John Johnson III could generate quarterback pressure. CB Troy Hill has gotten to the quarterback before, and will likely do so again. Both rookies Terrell Burgess and Jordan Fuller could get a quarterback or two in 2020.

Of course, there is the rotating defensive linemen and linebackers who will get to the quarterback on occasion as well. Backup NT Greg Gaines, OLB Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, ILB Clay Johnston, and ILB Kenny Young could all generate some pass rush in 2020.

Total Sacks from this group: 9

2.5 – 5 sacks

From this range, the Rams defense will generate pressure from young defenders who are developing into pass-rushers. Historically, this has been where first and second-year defensive linemen and linebackers end up. In 2020, there are not many players who fit into that category. But there are some players who have been on the roster who will likely have the opportunity to earn their fair share of defensive snaps.

Defensive end Morgan Fox, nose tackle A’Shawn Robinson, defensive end Michael Brockers, defensive end Sebastian Joseph Day, and linebacker Micah Kiser could all generate enough quarterback sacks to land in this grouping. So who will deliver and who will flirt with getting to the quarterback? Let’s take a look.


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It starts with the nose tackle.

Nose for the quarterback

We’ve talked a bit about why A’Shawn Robinson’s arrival to the LA Rams spells good things for the overall defense. But not in a way where he is stuck as the defense’s point and he must shoulder the burden play after play. Robinson is powerful enough to play nose tackle but versatile enough to stunt on the line of scrimmage and take on offensive linemen from the defensive end position as well. While he has never recorded more than two sacks in a single season, he’ll benefit from playing alongside Aaron Donald in 2020 for a career-high in that category.

Of course, defensive ends Morgan Fox, Michael Brockers, and Sebastian Joseph Day will benefit from the chaos Robinson creates in the interior, and will finally take some of the pressure off teammate Aaron Donald. Simply by putting up a sack or two more per player will force offenses to plan for more than Donald when they face the LA Rams.

Total Sacks from this group: 12

5.5 – 10 sacks

From this range, we are likely to find young players with light’s out skills of getting to the quarterback, or savvy veterans who can be used in pressuring the quarterback when the opportunity presents itself. For the LA Rams, we’re nearing the apex of the quarterback sacks so the number of players in this range may be limited to just one or two.

In this range, you can look for rookie pass-rusher Terrell Lewis to make a mark on his rookie season. After all, the Rams picked him up to get after the quarterback. How many sacks he generates in his rookie season will depend on how effective he is early, and how many defensive snaps the team will play him.

Outside linebacker role

One of the key players for 2020 is veteran outside linebacker Samson Ebukam. He generated 4.5 sacks in 2019 and will get to the quarterback more often in 2020. In fact, the combination of Ebukam and Lewis from that outside linebacker spot may be enough to replace the ability of outgoing veteran Dante Fowler Jr.’s sack totals.

While many will be looking for Terrell Lewis to blow the lid off the Rams defense, I suspect that the Rams will integrate him at a slow and deliberate pace, ensuring that he not only gets an increasing workload but that he has the time to process what offenses are doing while he is on the field. While that may hamper his sack total in 2020, it will be a far better strategy for building a complete player for the future.

Total Sacks from this group: 11.5

10+ sacks

At this plateau, we are discussing the NFL’s best. Who reaches this level for the LA Rams besides Aaron Donald? Surprise surprise, outside linebacker Leonard Floyd, could get there. After all, he once played for LA Rams defensive coordinator Brandon Staley when Staley was the OLB coach for the Chicago Bears. In fact, Floyd’s sack totals have decreased from his rookie season of seven, down to his 2019 total of just three.

So how can the Rams get him into double digits? Well, simply by emphasizing his role on defense much like the Rams did for Fowler from just one season ago. Before Dante Fowler Jr. arrived at the LA Rams, his sack totals were 4, 8, 2, and 2 respectively. It was when he played in the shadow of All-Pro Aaron Donald that he skyrocketed to 11.5 sacks.

Let history repeat itself

So now the LA Rams have a young man whose quarterback sacks totals are even better and more consistent at 7, 4.5, 4, and 3 sacks. What will he do in 2020? Well, if history repeats itself, he will put up double-digit sack totals for the Rams. And that will be enough to get him noticed among other NFL teams. After all, there is a method to the Rams madness. If the Rams do not re-sign Floyd, he will sign on elsewhere to a healthy contract, and the Rams will be awarded a valuable compensatory NFL Draft pick in 2022. Plus, the Rams will have the extra year to develop OLB Terrell Lewis, who will be ready to generate plenty of pressure in 2021.

That leaves the LA Rams with All-Pro Aaron Donald, who will win the Rams sack lead one more time. Even if Floyd is able to tackle the quarterback 12 times, Donald will do so 14 times. Aaron Donald is one of the NFL’s most talented players in the past 50 years. Even as the opposing offenses surround him with two, three, and sometimes even four blockers, he finds a way to make tackles and get to the quarterback. That will continue in 2020. If you add up the totals, you will find the LA Rams could lead the NFL in quarterback sacks next year.

Total Sacks from this group: 24
 

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Good read. I would add Ogbo into the 5.5 + sacks group and drop Lewis and Ebukam into the less than 5.5 sacks group.
 

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Pretty wild seeing Aaron Donald almost to the Franchise Record, already.

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Kevin Green - what a stud he was. To think what he meant the Steelers. Then Carolina & SF. Jerome Bettis & OT Duval Love. Steelers really did well with some Ram players.
 

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I think Ebukam, Obo, and Lewis all end up in the 5-10 sack range, hopefully one of them breaks out a bit. AD is a lock for 15 a season. Sprinkle in a few from Brock, Arob, SJD, Rapp, JJ, and our ILBs.. I think we will be solid at rushing the passer. With our D line now better against the run, and a very good secondary this season who can play man coverage, I think that should put us in more favorable pass rushing situations.
 

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I don't think the author really understands how the 3-4 hybrid is played. Their base front 7 looks to be:

DE Brockers
NT Robinson
DT Donald
JACK Floyd
SAM Ebukam
MIKE Kiser
ILB Young

That alignment gives them 3 actual D-line. But normally you will only see that on first down as it's geared to stopping the run. If on second it's a passing situation it's going to change. Staley would likely pull either the MIKE or the second ILB to bring in the nickel DB (Burgess / Williams) so the alignment is really 2-4 with Brockers likely pulled for Lewis who will play much like a second JACK. This will give Staley all kinds of options in how to align the defensive front. Remember this defense although called a 3-4 is played as a one gap scheme. The gap alignment will change with every play. The offense will not get the same look twice on each play. If Ebukam is moved up close to the LOS the o-line won't know if he's coming with Floyd dropping or both are rushing.

If Staley pulls the second ILB he could move Robinson from his 1T NT position to play a second 3T opposite AD with Kiser (MIKE) moving to close the A gap. This could isolate the C as he won't know if the MIKE or the SS will be blitzing or dropping. This is why having speed at the MIKE position is an advantage. Kiser has SS speed and if he can prove his coverage ability it will provide Staley with a lot of defensive play options.

That same scenario could get Robinson pulled for the nickel and Brockers shifted into that second 3T and Lewis as a second JACK at 5T. There are multiple alignments that Staley can use, with most involving the OLBs as his primary and blitzing pass rushers. What I'm saying is that Floyd, Ebukam, and Lewis could provide most of the pass-rushing pressure. These three are capable of tallying sacks in the 7- 10 range. In the hybrid scheme, the primary pass-rushing threat comes from OLBs being played in different alignments.

The wild card comes from tweener players like Jonah Williams who is listed as a DL player, but because of his athleticism can play multiple positions from 3T to 5T. In the above alignment, he could rotate in and play as an ILB giving them a much stronger interior look against an inside run or as an interior pass rusher. What I'm saying is that in the 3-4 hybrid scheme, positional designation doesn't mean much when you have athletic players who can be moved around. This is why guys like Littleton and Fowler are no longer on the team. If these players play up to expectations, this defense could have multiple players getting sacks in the 7-10 and 4-6 range. There are a lot of new players at key positions and how Staley intends to use them can't be assumed by looking at how Phillips used his unit. Staley has a lot more versatility with his defensive players this year than Phillips had. Also, I expect Staley to play more press-man coverages with the secondary. The success or not of this man coverage scheme will determine how Staley schemes his pass rush.

Trying to predict who will get how many sacks at this stage doesn't make sense. Because the Rams have a new DC and we have no idea how he is going to play his unit. One thing is clear from the draft is that athleticism is important to Staley, which would indicate that he's going to be moving guys around on each play. Who is going to play where has yet TBD and that will really only come after Staley sees the guys actually practicing and perhaps playing in the shortened preseason (if there is one, which at this point looks dubious at best).

Remember, with the improved speed at ILB early-down passes won't be a give me. Kiser and Young have SS speed allowing them to drop into coverage giving the Rams far better early-down pass coverage out of their base than in previous years. When you look at how offenses are evolving into pass first offenses then the Rams could be in their nickel scheme a lot. With their improved speed at ILB this allows the Rams to play their nickel defense much like a dime scheme as well. This impacts the pass rush as well.

Until we actually see how Staley plays his defense we can only guess who is going to be rushing. The only constant is AD. This is where Robinson will make a huge difference. We saw the impact of Suh on AD's pass rush allowing him to talley 21 sacks. The Rams now have a similar line with Robinson at NT and Floyd at JACK who allow the Rams to have a D-line that IMO is actually better than 2018 because of the addition of Lewis as the second edge. I think Lewis is the true wildcard in the Rams pass rush. If he plays up to expectations the Rams could have the best 4 man pass rush unit in the NFL. IMO it will be the eventual starting d-line for the Rams and it's awesome.

DE Lewis
NT Robinson
DT Donald
JACK Floyd.
 

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Ebukam I think he takes the lead with 15!! This defense is gonna be scary good
 

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I don't think the author really understands how the 3-4 hybrid is played. Their base front 7 looks to be:

DE Brockers
NT Robinson
DT Donald
JACK Floyd
SAM Ebukam
MIKE Kiser
ILB Young

That alignment gives them 3 actual D-line. But normally you will only see that on first down as it's geared to stopping the run. If on second it's a passing situation it's going to change. Staley would likely pull either the MIKE or the second ILB to bring in the nickel DB (Burgess / Williams) so the alignment is really 2-4 with Brockers likely pulled for Lewis who will play much like a second JACK. This will give Staley all kinds of options in how to align the defensive front. Remember this defense although called a 3-4 is played as a one gap scheme. The gap alignment will change with every play. The offense will not get the same look twice on each play. If Ebukam is moved up close to the LOS the o-line won't know if he's coming with Floyd dropping or both are rushing.

If Staley pulls the second ILB he could move Robinson from his 1T NT position to play a second 3T opposite AD with Kiser (MIKE) moving to close the A gap. This could isolate the C as he won't know if the MIKE or the SS will be blitzing or dropping. This is why having speed at the MIKE position is an advantage. Kiser has SS speed and if he can prove his coverage ability it will provide Staley with a lot of defensive play options.

That same scenario could get Robinson pulled for the nickel and Brockers shifted into that second 3T and Lewis as a second JACK at 5T. There are multiple alignments that Staley can use, with most involving the OLBs as his primary and blitzing pass rushers. What I'm saying is that Floyd, Ebukam, and Lewis could provide most of the pass-rushing pressure. These three are capable of tallying sacks in the 7- 10 range. In the hybrid scheme, the primary pass-rushing threat comes from OLBs being played in different alignments.

The wild card comes from tweener players like Jonah Williams who is listed as a DL player, but because of his athleticism can play multiple positions from 3T to 5T. In the above alignment, he could rotate in and play as an ILB giving them a much stronger interior look against an inside run or as an interior pass rusher. What I'm saying is that in the 3-4 hybrid scheme, positional designation doesn't mean much when you have athletic players who can be moved around. This is why guys like Littleton and Fowler are no longer on the team. If these players play up to expectations, this defense could have multiple players getting sacks in the 7-10 and 4-6 range. There are a lot of new players at key positions and how Staley intends to use them can't be assumed by looking at how Phillips used his unit. Staley has a lot more versatility with his defensive players this year than Phillips had. Also, I expect Staley to play more press-man coverages with the secondary. The success or not of this man coverage scheme will determine how Staley schemes his pass rush.

Trying to predict who will get how many sacks at this stage doesn't make sense. Because the Rams have a new DC and we have no idea how he is going to play his unit. One thing is clear from the draft is that athleticism is important to Staley, which would indicate that he's going to be moving guys around on each play. Who is going to play where has yet TBD and that will really only come after Staley sees the guys actually practicing and perhaps playing in the shortened preseason (if there is one, which at this point looks dubious at best).

Remember, with the improved speed at ILB early-down passes won't be a give me. Kiser and Young have SS speed allowing them to drop into coverage giving the Rams far better early-down pass coverage out of their base than in previous years. When you look at how offenses are evolving into pass first offenses then the Rams could be in their nickel scheme a lot. With their improved speed at ILB this allows the Rams to play their nickel defense much like a dime scheme as well. This impacts the pass rush as well.

Until we actually see how Staley plays his defense we can only guess who is going to be rushing. The only constant is AD. This is where Robinson will make a huge difference. We saw the impact of Suh on AD's pass rush allowing him to talley 21 sacks. The Rams now have a similar line with Robinson at NT and Floyd at JACK who allow the Rams to have a D-line that IMO is actually better than 2018 because of the addition of Lewis as the second edge. I think Lewis is the true wildcard in the Rams pass rush. If he plays up to expectations the Rams could have the best 4 man pass rush unit in the NFL. IMO it will be the eventual starting d-line for the Rams and it's awesome.

DE Lewis
NT Robinson
DT Donald
JACK Floyd.

I think your giving T. LEWIS to much credit & KISER is not a speed guy. That is why he fell into the 5th rd.It shows on the practice field.Young to me seems a little small? Just ball are thorn over his head while,while Kiser has trouble getting to the sideline from the middle of the field.

What about OBO ??? I believe he will get 7 sacks in 2020.

I also think Greg Gains & Morgan Fox will get a lot of inside reps.Both players interact with each other’s play.
 

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Pretty wild seeing Aaron Donald almost to the Franchise Record, already.

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Shit, he could beat it next year with a good season.

Got a long ways to go before he catches Deacon Jones though, I wonder how they handle it when he moves into first on the “official” list.

Someone tell Donald Deacon has 173 1/2 and tell him you don’t think he can beat it so AD can put up some more 20 sack seasons out of anger.
 

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I'm going with AD. AD with 18.5 sacks. Robinson and Brockers I believe will get 2-3 a piece. Obo with 6-7 Ebu 4-5. Floyd with 1-2
 

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Donald definitely helps to counter our lack of talent on the edges. But I don't see him racking up a 20 sack season again. Would be nice sure but I think in this scheme somewhere around 10-15 is going to be where he falls. Why? Staley isn't going to want him moving laterally as much as he has in the past, as it creates big run game opportunities. He's going to need to play a little more disciplined as well as do a little two gap at times as well in this defense I would think, and maybe even be subbed for in certain high-run expectation situations.

And I don't like our edge options overall. Way too many questions and injury risks, and guys who don't have slam dunk film of consistently doing it right. Line that room up next to some others like the OL room in terms of requiring unicorns and rainbows to my eye at least.

But hey I hope someone steps up on the blindside at the least. That's the key, since we overpaid to give our new DC a strong side edge who he knows and who knows the defense. I know I'm sounding sort of negative here but it is what it is. It's possible we win a ton of lotteries in 2020 but is it likely?

IMO Obo is a potential 10 sack guy if he can stay on the field. At Oklahoma he moved around in that defense and did different things off the edge as well as off ball (the guy has great instincts), which bodes well for him in this defense, but he still has to beat that injury thing. And we need him this year because if he can't stay on the field then what. So yeah the question poised in this thread is not one I am confident with.