Who can trigger a review on pass interference? Why NFL coaches are worried

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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...iew-pass-interference-why-nfl-coaches-worried

Who can trigger a review on pass interference? Why NFL coaches are worried

As spring turns into summer, a fierce debate is raging among NFL decision-makers: Who should stop the game to review a potential pass interference penalty, and when?

The question might seem minor, but it pushes to the core of whether expanded replay can be effective at the NFL level. And for the second consecutive year, the league's competition committee is attempting to reverse-engineer a major rule change.

The new process for reviewing pass interference, approved by owners in March, followed the structure of the existing system. Coaches would challenge calls until the two-minute warning of either half, after which responsibility would be shifted to the on-site replay official. While coaches would be checked by the existing two-challenge limit -- plus a third if the first two were right -- the replay official could initiate reviews whenever necessary during the final two minutes and overtime.

Since then, however, concern has grown about the number of stoppages replay officials might feel compelled to make, especially with the addition of no-calls to the list of reviewable plays. Owners granted the competition committee authority last month to tweak the system, if needed, to extend the coaches' challenge for pass interference into the final two minutes and overtime.

But as it turns out, some coaches don't want that responsibility. During conference calls last week, according to multiple sources, some of them pushed back, in part because of the impact on timeout and challenge strategy. (A coach can't challenge if he's out of timeouts.) This response mirrors the proposal most coaches advocated in March -- to convert the replay official into a "sky judge" who would alert the on-field referee whenever an egregious mistake was made.

So with six weeks until the first training camps open, the competition committee must decide whether to impose an unwanted obligation on coaches or risk a significant rise in stoppages during a game's most dramatic moments.

The standard for overturning an officiating decision is well-known: "clear and obvious" evidence of a mistake. But as we noted last month, the standard is far less clear for stopping the game to determine if that kind of mistake has occurred. It is one thing for a replay official to notice ball movement as a ball carrier is tackled, and then to initiate a review for a possible fumble call. It is quite another to decide in real time whether contact between a receiver and defensive back merits a review to determine if one player "significantly hindered" the other from playing the ball, the standard for any pass interference penalty.

The majority of NFL replay officials have never officiated a game on the field, where they would have been asked to make that type of subjective decision with speed and accuracy. Because there is at least some level of contact on most passing plays, it's not difficult to envision a review for most contested passes during a two-minute drill.

"The replay official's job is to officiate each and every play in their own little universe," said retired referee John Parry, now an ESPN rules analyst. "He or she must ask, 'Is there enough for me -- with smoke on the field [after a celebration], players raising their arms, all those things that we see -- to stop and take a look at it?'"

Faced with a similar dilemma as it developed its own pass interference review process, the Canadian Football League put the authority squarely with coaches. Darren Hackwood, the CFL's senior director of officiating, considers that structure an important pillar of what the league now considers a successful initiative.

"Our game is so passing-heavy," Hackwood said last month, "that we would be slowing the game down a bunch of times if we allowed the replay official to do that. So it's on the coaches to challenge. Whatever the trigger would be to initiate a review [from the replay official], we would be going to it too much."

Generally speaking, of course, coaches like to save their timeouts. They don't throw their challenge flags nearly as many times as the public debate would suggest. Last year, for instance, they challenged 147 plays during the regular season and playoffs for an average of 0.28 per game per coach, according to ESPN Stats & Information. There were only 19 instances of a coach using two challenges in a game, in 534 opportunities, and since 2001, coaches have used three challenges in only nine games.

But the addition of pass interference to the review system will add opportunities, and perhaps pressure, for coaches to challenge more plays. If the competition committee extends the coaches' responsibility into the final two minutes, they would risk burning a saved timeout for reviews, potentially leaving them with fewer options in clock management.

Perhaps most importantly, eliminating the booth review would leave the league unable to reverse an egregious call in a key spot -- precisely the reason the rule was approved in the first place -- if a coach is out of timeouts or challenges or both.

New Orleans Saints coach Asshole Face, a member of the competition committee, advocated strongly for the March replay proposal. But he also echoed other coaches whose ultimate, if not immediate, goal is for a sky judge to handle reversals of obvious mistakes.

"We're going to have a point," Payton said. "It's not this year, not today, but an eighth official upstairs is going to allow this game to flow. He's going to buzz that buzzer when he feels a certain level of mistake has been made."

There is significant disagreement among NFL officials on the practicality of a sky judge, and for now their concern rests squarely with the 2019 season. After fiddling with the new helmet and kickoff rules throughout last summer, and issuing a clarification on roughing the passer in September, the competition committee wants to settle the rules for reviewing pass interference long before training camps open.

Historically, coaches haven't won many battles over rules with league decision-makers. The choice appears to be between complicating traditional strategy and lengthening games, even if a sky judge one day renders the entire debate moot. Regardless, it seems clear that, one way or another, someone is going to be unhappy as the committee navigates this rule change to a workable position for the 2019 season.
 

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I can see it now.

Offensive players who are in the act of trying to go out for a pass near the end of both halfs will be instructed to throw a fit after each play in order to force the officials to take a 2nd look for PI. This will be done as a way of getting extra time outs or clock stoppages... just like we see with players faking injuries. I expect to see the cheaters doing this right away. It's gonna be a problem that certain types will exploit.
 

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Seems like they were in a hurry to get something in the books, maybe to shut Asshole Face up? Now that they’ve done that it seems as though there’s some uncertainty about how to practically implement this rule, which of course is one of the main problems with it.
They want to correct an obvious and egregious error, ok, so the Robey-Coleman play was obvious. Although if you look at it from field level in real time it may not have been so obvious. But what about the Cooks non interference? It wasn’t obvious, many people missed it. Was it egregious? Well, it could’ve changed the game but this kind of hand fighting goes on all the time. If it wasn’t called I say let it go.
It seemed logical that if we could look at plays using replay we could improve the officiating and get stuff right but has that really happened? There are limits to what a human official can see but there are limits to what a camera angle can prove definitively as well.
I heard a guy in the radio talking about with all the technology we have available why do we use 2 guys with a chain to Mark first downs? Well it is possible to put sensors all over every nfl field and put chips in the ball and it would cost hundreds of millions but it would eliminate human error and probably create a whole new set of problems. I’m sure it’s a flawed system but it evens out in the end.
I don’t think replay will ever be what we hoped but I also don’t think the nfl will cut back on it’s use.
 

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And people criticized me for saying this was a badly formed knee jerk reaction to one play. Now even coaches are worried about how it will work.
 

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A friend of mine is a replay official on Shawn Hochuli's crew. He told me they have been given more leeway to change things that are egregious, but they haven't started training yet so he isn't exactly sure how they will implement it or exactly what they will be able to rule on.
As far as the throwing a fit after each play..........they already do that and officials are accustomed to it.
 

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I can see it now.

Offensive players who are in the act of trying to go out for a pass near the end of both halfs will be instructed to throw a fit after each play in order to force the officials to take a 2nd look for PI. This will be done as a way of getting extra time outs or clock stoppages... just like we see with players faking injuries. I expect to see the cheaters doing this right away. It's gonna be a problem that certain types will exploit.

Patriots have already hired acting coaches I'm sure.
 

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Now no calls are reviewable plays, looking for a call.

What's next, reviewing the offensive line every play looking for holding? It occurs every play, why not review it and call it every single time? Hell, why only give coaches two challenges, give them infinite red flags, so we get every single penalty called every time.
 

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If Asshole Face loses a game because his teams gets called for PI after a review, I don't think I could help feeling a measure of satisfaction over the irony. Especially if its a playoff game. Is that wrong?
 

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Oh NOW they're worried. Too funny man. "Fishing for PIs" is officially part of every team's strategy. Great job NFL. Effin idjits.

And people criticized me for saying this was a badly formed knee jerk reaction to one play. Now even coaches are worried about how it will work.

Yeah and I have felt the same way man. It's ridiculous. We can expect more game stoppages and looking at the refs' mugs and more commercials and more drama while everyone waits for the refs to nuke a slow speed replay. INSTEAD of just playing the MFing game.
 

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If Asshole Face loses a game because his teams gets called for PI after a review, I don't think I could help feeling a measure of satisfaction over the irony. Especially if its a playoff game. Is that wrong?

They will get an offensive PI every time Mike Thomas catches a pass. He is always pushing or pulling just before the pass arrives.
 

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I can't believe the part about the "Replay Official", not being an experienced on the field referee . the Fatboy
 

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Sorry Asshole Face, you don't get to whine about the extra responsibility this rule change bring coaches like yourself.

No more stomping around jumping up and down and shouting at the officials. If you have to balls to do all of that, you have the balls to throw the challenge flag and risk losing a timeout.
 

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The problem with reviewing PI, in my opinion, is that often times, a receiver egregiously pushes off to start a play then the DB retaliates but often times, the replay only shows the play when the ball is in the air towards the receiver.

Or the the infamous Rams/Saints playoff game, someone on the Rams (AD?) was getting egregiously face masked while the play was going on, but I take it that only the possible PI will be reviewed and nothing else? All in the name of saving time?

p.s. I really hope the Saints lose a game (hopefully a playoff game) because of the new rule that they advocated for.
 

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The problem with reviewing PI, in my opinion, is that often times, a receiver egregiously pushes off to start a play then the DB retaliates but often times, the replay only shows the play when the ball is in the air towards the receiver.

Or the the infamous Rams/Saints playoff game, someone on the Rams (AD?) was getting egregiously face masked while the play was going on, but I take it that only the possible PI will be reviewed and nothing else? All in the name of saving time?

p.s. I really hope the Saints lose a game (hopefully a playoff game) because of the new rule that they advocated for.
Yes, Pandora's Box has been opened....
 

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NFL is stupid. If they wanted to do the rule right it isn't hard.

All they need is one guy to see if there are any big penalties that affected the play.

The defensive holding on the other side of the field that the QB never even looked to? Let it go. The DB knocking the shit out of the reciever before the ball gets there? Call it.

Not hard.
 

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NFL is stupid. If they wanted to do the rule right it isn't hard.

All they need is one guy to see if there are any big penalties that affected the play.

The defensive holding on the other side of the field that the QB never even looked to? Let it go. The DB knocking the crap out of the reciever before the ball gets there? Call it.

Not hard.
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...rence-rule-for-the-third-time-this-offseason/

NFL set to revamp new pass interference rule for the third time this offseason

For the third time in three months, the NFL is getting set to make a change to the league's new pass interference rule. To add some confusion to the situation, the new change will likely just involve canceling out the last change that was made.

If that sounds confusing, hopefully this will clear things up: The NFLannounced on Thursday that a new pass interference rule has tentatively been written after the league spent several days conferring over the rule with head coaches, club personnel and NFL officials.

Under the proposed new rule, coaches will not be allowed to challenge pass interference calls in the final two minutes of a game, which is a huge difference from May, when NFL owners voted to allow coaches to challenge interference calls made during the final two minutes of a game.

The vote in May was the second time this offseason that owners voted on the new PI rule. The original vote came back in March, when owners voted to expand replay review to cover offensive and defensive pass interference for the first time ever.

Here's a quick review of the events:

January: NFL hit with controversy after officials miss an obvious pass interference call on Rams defensive back Nickell Robey-Coleman during the final minutes of the NFC title game. If the call had been made, the Saintslikely would have won the game and advanced to the Super Bowl.

March: NFL owners respond to the controversy by allowing pass interference to be reviewed for the first time ever. The new rule applies to both offensive and defensive pass interference, and a flag doesn't have to be thrown on a play for a PI review to take place.

May: The owners vote to make a slight change to the rule by allowing coaches to challenge interference plays in the final two minutes. Previously, league officials handled all replays during the final two minutes of a game.

June: The NFL decides not to let coaches challenge plays in the final two minutes, although they'll still be able to challenge interference calls during other parts of the game.

Although officials will be allowed to review interference plays in the final two minutes of a half, the league is adding some new wording to the rule. Reviews for interference in the final two minutes will be under "stricter criteria" than other reviewable plays to prevent excessive stoppages.

"A decision on the field will only be reversed when there is 'clear and obvious visual evidence' that warrants the change," the rule states.

Before the updated rule becomes official, the NFL's 32 teams will will have one week to provide additional feedback to the competition committee before the new rule is finalized. The rule will only be on the books for the 2019 season and could be changed after just one year.

When the new rule is finalized, there will also be some clarity on what to expect when a Hail Mary is thrown. If the rule passes as it was written on Thursday, then Hail Mary plays will be reviewed consistent with the guidelines for officiating the play on the field, which basically means, unless there's something egregious, pass interference isn't going to get called.
 

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...erence-rules-still-could-end-up-being-a-mess/

Revised pass interference rules still could end up being a mess

The NFL’s effort to prevent a repeat of the Rams-Saints uncalled pass interference fiasco has resulted in a long journey for Milan to Minsk that, at last check, seemed encouraging.

To summarize, automatic replay review will be initiated for pass interference only when the replay official spots, while looking at the play in real time or while screening full-speed reviews, clear
and obvious calls or non-calls of offensive or defensive pass interference. It sounds good in theory. In practice, there’s still a chance it will become a mess.

And evidence has now emerged as to how it can become a mess.

Via the Kansas City Star, Mike Giardi of NFL Media has shared via Twitter a key play from the Week 15 Chargers-Chiefs Thursday night thriller that NFL senior V.P. of officiating Al Riveron cited at an NFL Media Summit as an example of the application of the new rule allowing pass interference calls and non-calls to be reviewed.

Officials on the field ruled with less than 10 seconds on the clock that Chiefs cornerback Kendall Fullerhad interfered with Chargers receiver Mike Williams, giving the Chargers the ball at the Chiefs’ one yard line, automatic first and goal. Riveron, according to Giardi, explained that automatic replay review would have resulted in a finding that Fuller had committed defensive pass interference and that Williams had committed offensive pass interference, resulting in offsetting penalties and a do-over of the third and goal play from the Kansas City 10, with only eight seconds left in a game where the Chargers trailed by seven points.

So here’s the real question. Would the replay official have concluded based on the real-time play and full-speed replay review that the officials clearly and obviously missed Williams shoving Fuller away, as Fuller was interfering with Williams?

Maybe the replay official would have seen it, maybe the replay official wouldn’t have seen it. The replay official and the replay assistant will have to make those decisions quickly, and the video doesn’t reveal the same kind of undeniable blunder that was committed when officials in the NFC title game failed to see Rams cornerback Nickell Robey-Coleman blast Saints receiver Tommylee Lewis before the ball arrived.

There’s a fine line between what is and isn’t clear and obvious, and 17 different replay officials may have 17 different standards for deciding in a compressed time frame when to initiate automatic review based on the full-speed-only replays that will be available to the replay officials. In a Rams-Saints situation, 17 out of 17 replay officials will (or at least should) activate Riveron’s remote review of the play from league headquarters in New York. But, in the Chiefs-Chargers case, would 17 of 17 find sufficiently clear and obvious evidence of offensive pass interference to engage a formal review?

Possibly. Possibly not. The problem is that there will be some situations where a replay official hits the proverbial button based on the full-speed replay, and some situations where the replay official decides not to bog down the final moments of a game with a formal review by Riveron.

Think of what the replay official will be processing in situations where “clear and obvious” may not be as “clear and obvious” as it was when Robey-Coleman struck Lewis prematurely. In the Fuller-Williams scenario, the replay official will be looking at whether the ruling of defensive pass interference was clearly and obviously wrong while also looking at whether the failure to call offensive pass interference was clearly and obviously wrong. When in doubt, will the replay official call for a full review? Or, when in doubt, will the replay official conclude that the presence of said doubt means that the evidence of an error necessarily isn’t clear and obvious?

The fact that Riveron is openly sharing the Chargers-Chiefs play as a matter-of-fact example of a call of defensive pass interference becoming a replay-reversed ruling of offsetting fouls suggests that, frankly, he possibly doesn’t appreciate this nuance. If that’s the case, the end result could be that too many late-game passing plays will end up being scrutinized by Riveron for clear and obvious errors, causing games to be slowed down for careful analysis of something far less clear and obvious than what happened in New Orleans.

Thus, although the ostensible end result of a multi-month sausage grinding makes sense on the surface, Riveron’s review of this play from the Chiefs-Chargers contest suggests that, despite the safeguard that the Competition Committee has crafted to prevent excessive late-game replay reviews, there could still be too many of them — because the replay official may be expected to call for a full review under circumstances where the evidence isn’t nearly as clear and obvious as it was when Robey-Coleman clearly and obviously flattened Lewis before the ball had arrived.

With the days winding down until the start of the regular season, the Competition Committee, Riveron, the Commissioner, and the owners need to be sure that everyone is on the same page regarding what this new procedure means and, more importantly, how it will be consistently and reliably applied in order to balance a desire to keep games moving while also ironing out clear and obvious mistakes.