Which WR excites you the most for the Rams?

[den-the-coach]

but how can you say Tyson will be available for 17 game?

You can't. That is why, he would be off my board at 13. He cannot run now, sorry, park's closed, moose out front should have told you so.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Apparently I wasn’t the only one who took your post in that direction. And if I'm not able to reply right away, the post shouldn’t be rendered moot. You posted the RAS as a stand alone argument in the post to which I replied. Maybe you should have couched it better.

You can dismiss the other side with your circumstances argument but the eye test doesn’t hold water. If you watch tape side by side, TA is clearly more explosive, elusive, etc… ON THE FIELD which is what counts. Other players around them have little effect once these kinds of players get the ball in their hands. We clearly have a different view of what explosive means.

Know your audience. My mistake. This isn't a discord board with hardcore draftniks.

I gave an opinion of what I saw on the field and I stand by it. I later agreed to disagree before after giving that opinion and provided explosive measurables teams test using a convenient website tool instead of typing them. I'm hopefully agreeing to disagree with you.

Teams see things differently and so do fans.

No biggie.

 

[jrry32]

Some great candid talk about Tyson. I know people want to brush off the injuries say it'll be ok but I just can't. Wish the guy had stayed healthy and if he could run right now maybe but man no thank you. They even brought up what a few people around here have said the old "well it'll be different with my team" like our doctors will just snap their fingers and all this injury history will be a thing of the past.

Another thing I've seen a lot say is our 1st round pick has to contribute this year, usually as a counter to the idea of drafting Simpson, but how can you say Tyson will be available for 17 game?

I don't know anybody who has said that it'll magically be different. The injuries might be because he doesn't have a body that can hold up. It's a red flag. It also might just be random, bad luck. Nobody knows. Our QB, Matthew Stafford, missed 19 of 32 possible games (59.4%) in his first two years in the NFL. And then he played the next eight seasons without missing a single game.

Jordyn Tyson could be another Sam Bradford, unable stay healthy. Or he could be like Matthew Stafford, a period of bad injury luck. That's the risk. The question is if the talent is worth the risk. I say yes. If others say no, their right.

You can't. That is why, he would be off my board at 13. He cannot run now, sorry, park's closed, moose out front should have told you so.

 

[Flatlyner]

He's worth it to me. The only WR I can see as a clear 1 (of the top guys). No injuries and he's in the discussion in top 5 without question.

 

[Memento]

Tyson, I'd do after a trade down. I trust the coaching staff with any injuries - and let's not forget that our own Isaac Bruce had a recurring hamstring.

 

[OldSchool]

I don't know anybody who has said that it'll magically be different.

Read all the posts about him on this site you'll see them. And sorry the Stafford number is silly in comparison. Stafford played 13 games every year at Georgia and had no injury issues coming out. The second line in his draft profile at nfl.com literally says he never missed a game due to injury despite having a bad oline.

Can any pick have a bad injury and suffer that after the draft? Sure it can happen. But Tyson is far and away a different animal and you know that too damned well to downplay any concerns over the injuries and the red flag. We'll know in the end because if he's healthy he's gone before our pick he's absolutely that talented. If he's still there with our pick let somebody else take the obvious red flag risk.

 

[den-the-coach]

I don't know anybody who has said that it'll magically be different. The injuries might be because he doesn't have a body that can hold up. It's a red flag. It also might just be random, bad luck. Nobody knows. Our QB, Matthew Stafford, missed 19 of 32 possible games (59.4%) in his first two years in the NFL. And then he played the next eight seasons without missing a single game.

Jordyn Tyson could be another Sam Bradford, unable stay healthy. Or he could be like Matthew Stafford, a period of bad injury luck. That's the risk. The question is if the talent is worth the risk. I say yes. If others say no, their right.

Let’s see what all the excitement is abut on the 17th.

 

[RamFan503]

You can't. That is why, he would be off my board at 13. He cannot run now, sorry, park's closed, moose out front should have told you so.

 

[jrry32]

Read all the posts about him on this site you'll see them. And sorry the Stafford number is silly in comparison. Stafford played 13 games every year at Georgia and had no injury issues coming out. The second line in his draft profile at nfl.com literally says he never missed a game due to injury despite having a bad oline.

Why is it silly in comparison? If Stafford's bad injury luck had happened at UGA instead of in Detroit, would that have made any difference at all? No, of course not. The point was that Stafford had back-to-back serious injuries in his first two NFL seasons. They weren't due to Stafford's body being unable to hold up. They were due to bad injury luck.

But if you want to insist on college for whatever absurd reason, Frank Gore has been mentioned in this thread and is another great example. His body held up in the NFL despite bad injury luck in college. Sometimes, that's the case. Sometimes, a guy is injured a lot because he simply lacks durability. It's not always possible to tell.

Can any pick have a bad injury and suffer that after the draft? Sure it can happen. But Tyson is far and away a different animal and you know that too damned well to downplay any concerns over the injuries and the red flag. We'll know in the end because if he's healthy he's gone before our pick he's absolutely that talented. If he's still there with our pick let somebody else take the obvious red flag risk.

No, actually, I don't know that. I haven't seen his medicals. I can't predict the future. What I know is that he's had three significant injuries while in college. That's a red flag. It indicates a lack of durability. But it is also possible that he's simply been unlucky and is capable of playing in the NFL without missing an inordinate amount of time.

As I said, I think the talent is worth the injury red flags. If we can trade down and get him, great. If not, I'm willing to take him at #13. I look at the Patriots taking Gronk despite major injury red flags, and I think, "Ya know, sometimes you just need to nut up and take the risk if the talent is great enough." We are in a position where we can easily survive a whiff, while a talent like Tyson could put us over the edge this year when it comes to winning a Super Bowl.

 

[Coliseum Ram]

Why is it silly in comparison? If Stafford's bad injury luck had happened at UGA instead of in Detroit, would that have made any difference at all? No, of course not. The point was that Stafford had back-to-back serious injuries in his first two NFL seasons. They weren't due to Stafford's body being unable to hold up. They were due to bad injury luck.

But if you want to insist on college for whatever absurd reason, Frank Gore has been mentioned in this thread and is another great example. His body held up in the NFL despite bad injury luck in college. Sometimes, that's the case. Sometimes, a guy is injured a lot because he simply lacks durability. It's not always possible to tell.

No, actually, I don't know that. I haven't seen his medicals. I can't predict the future. What I know is that he's had three significant injuries while in college. That's a red flag. It indicates a lack of durability. But it is also possible that he's simply been unlucky and is capable of playing in the NFL without missing an inordinate amount of time.

As I said, I think the talent is worth the injury red flags. If we can trade down and get him, great. If not, I'm willing to take him at #13. I look at the Patriots taking Gronk despite major injury red flags, and I think, "Ya know, sometimes you just need to nut up and take the risk if the talent is great enough." We are in a position where we can easily survive a whiff, while a talent like Tyson could put us over the edge this year when it comes to winning a Super Bowl.

I'm also of the belief we could survive a whiff. Or survive a down-the-road pick like Simpson. Not that we're LOOKING to whiff of course but what you say about Tyson regarding the Super Bowl is obviously enticing.

I feel we already not only closed the gap but SURPASSED Seattle. But there's also a chance one of the up and coming NFC teams have closed the gap and surpassed US. Impact player at 13 or higher in the case of a trade up is probably the way to go, my Simpson crush notwithstanding.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I finally got through watching film on the prospects.

I think Tate goes too early for us.

I think If Rams goes WR it’s Concepcion. He would be an immediate impact returner and would be an impact WR year one profiling as Adams replacement.

Mcvay would use him on screens, end arounds and more.

Not a fan of Cooper or Tyson.

Lemon will make plays but Concepcion gives us something we don’t have with his speed.

Conception is rising up Draft Niks boards and likely NFL teams boards. Was projected late first and now projecting as WR 2.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Some great candid talk about Tyson. I know people want to brush off the injuries say it'll be ok but I just can't. Wish the guy had stayed healthy and if he could run right now maybe but man no thank you. They even brought up what a few people around here have said the old "well it'll be different with my team" like our doctors will just snap their fingers and all this injury history will be a thing of the past.

Another thing I've seen a lot say is our 1st round pick has to contribute this year, usually as a counter to the idea of drafting Simpson, but how can you say Tyson will be available for 17 game?

But at some point, its all about is the talent worth the risk? I believe it most definitely is with Tyson. People holding on to 3 injuries where the major one is 4 years ago just shows too much timidness for my liking but to each their own lol. Literally anyone you draft, injury history or not, is at risk to get hurt. Happens all the time in football. I'll use Nabers and Judkins as examples. They literally had zero injuries during college but yet had major injuries in the pros. Got man up and take some risks every now and then if you ask me.

 

[dang]

I’d rather have a WR with a floor of 6/ceiling of 8 (Cooper) than one with a floor of 3/ceiling of 9 (Tyson). But McVay has more balls than me and could go for that ceiling if 9.

 

[TSFH Fan]

Just adding to the injury history profiles:
Michael Hoomanawanui
Injured a lot in college.
Injured a lot with the Rams.
Goes to the Cheatriots and over the next 4 seasons, only misses 7 games total.
Like the guy said, sometimes, you just can't tell . . .

 

[WestCoastRam]

But at some point, its all about is the talent worth the risk? I believe it most definitely is with Tyson. People holding on to 3 injuries where the major one is 4 years ago just shows too much timidness for my liking but to each their own lol. Literally anyone you draft, injury history or not, is at risk to get hurt. Happens all the time in football. I'll use Nabers and Judkins as examples. They literally had zero injuries during college but yet had major injuries in the pros. Got man up and take some risks every now and then if you ask me.

What do you make of the hamstring injury lingering to the point where he can't work out for teams?

Hurt it Oct, missed a month, re-aggravated it late Nov and kept him out of the combine in Feb and out of the pro day in March.

That's a long ass time.

 

[CGI_Ram]

I hope Tyson is gone before 13… I want no part of somebody that can’t stay on the field.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

What do you make of the hamstring injury lingering to the point where he can't work out for teams?

Hurt it Oct, missed a month, re-aggravated it late Nov and kept him out of the combine in Feb and out of the pro day in March.

That's a long ass time.

My guess is he had a more serious strain than he and Arizona St let on. He probably tried to come back too early only to re-aggravate it as hamstring pulls are notoriously easy to re-injure if not rehabilitated properly. Since he only had so much time to get prepped for the draft after trying to rest/rehabilitate it, I'm guessing he also pushed himself too hard to get into the best shape for draft season. As a result, re-aggravated that same hammy. Soft tissue injuries are a bitch but I'm ok with it as its an injury that can be overcome and isn't career threatening. Once again, its my guess since I obviously don't know what his medicals show. However with teams essentially still considering him a 1st rd WR, he's obviously talented enough to take a risk on.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I hope Tyson is gone before 13… I want no part of somebody that can’t stay on the field.

Nah, he's going to be a Ram so buck up for the ride!

 

[badnews]

Apropos of nothing, I wouldn't be surprised if the Rams drafted 2 WRs in the first 3 rounds, if the draft went that way..

 

[TheTackle]

Apropos of nothing, I wouldn't be surprised if the Rams drafted 2 WRs in the first 3 rounds, if the draft went that way..

It’s a deep draft of WR with some who would have gone drafted in previous years perhaps ending up free agents. I don’t see it personally but let’s see. I would rather one WR (at 61) and a Center or LT (at 93). With an impact starter at 13 (if we don’t trade up). For me, that would be Simpson but I understand why others prefer a pass catcher