Which QB should the Rams draft next year and where?
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That doesn't address my point. How many Drew Allars have panned out in the past 20 years? I can't think of one. All the QBs who drafted outside of the top 40 or 50 picks who panned out were either extremely mobile (ex. Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott, and Jalen Hurts) or high IQ QBs who had physical limitations (ex. Brock Purdy and Kirk Cousins).
As for that dude's complaint, it's nonsense imo. You can't gripe about supporting cast when Allar in 2024 had a great OL, two NFL HBs, a first round pick at TE (who made an immediate NFL impact), and Tre Wallace at WR (who likely gets drafted this year). The Steelers are welcome to have him on Day 2. Would be doing us a favor.
Well, for one, Prescott is not extremely mobile.
Two, you forgot Brady again.
And those guys you mentioned are not much different in terms of these guys all had pluses and minuses. Again, I am just saying the talk of him being a 7th rd pick is just silly.
1. I didn't forget Brady. I said in the past 20 years. Brady was drafted 26 years ago. And Brady isn't remotely similar to Drew Allar. He'd fall into the second category (high IQ QBs who had physical limitations).
2. Dak Prescott averaged around 800 rushing yards and 12 rushing TDs per year in his three years as a starting QB in college. I'm quite comfortable including him with Russell Wilson and Jalen Hurts in the extremely mobile QB category.
Every prospect has pluses and minuses. The point I'm making is that Allar falls in that category of QBs who have the physical look (6'4+ 225+), the cannon for an arm, and functional mobility who aren't good at playing the position. Just about every year, a team talks themselves into drafting a QB like that in the mid rounds, and I can't think of the last guy who actually panned out. But I certainly remember the Christian Hackenbergs, Zach Mettenbergers, Bryce Pettys, Ryan Malletts, Jacob Easons, Cardale Joneses, and Davis Webbs of the world.
I guess Joe Milton looked promising in that one start with the Patriots, so we'll see what happens if he ever gets a real shot. At least he netted the Patriots a pick.
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I've made my thoughts known that I'm cool with taking Allar in the mid rounds if the Rams feel like he was held back by the lack of QB tutelage in college but in all fairness, gotta show the good and bad and this made me laugh:
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Only thing I'd give him is I've never liked James Franklin. So I don't think Allar has had the kind of offensive coaching he'd have in LA.
I mean I don't like Sark either for that matter, and at least he's a guy who knows how to attack underneath to move the chains. Franklin is one of those coaches where I don't know wtf people see in him.
Did that affect Allar? Maybe. But he still strikes me as a dull minded MFer.
One thing we can bet, though, is that if the Rams take him it means McVay vetted him and thinks he can do something with him. And I do trust him with the QBs.
I mean I don't like Sark either for that matter, and at least he's a guy who knows how to attack underneath to move the chains. Franklin is one of those coaches where I don't know wtf people see in him.
Did that affect Allar? Maybe. But he still strikes me as a dull minded MFer.
One thing we can bet, though, is that if the Rams take him it means McVay vetted him and thinks he can do something with him. And I do trust him with the QBs.
Big fella might wanna learn to either slide or stiff arm if he can't make them miss lol
And where in the league was Allar? I'm failing to see how comparing 2 top draft picks, who had relative to moderate success in the league before having to re-boot their career has anything to do with a QB who is hoping to get drafted? I mean, there's 10-15 guys like this every year
Well, we will have to see how his career plays out. You might be right. Again, I will repeat, I am just saying that I think the talk of him only being worthy of a 7th rd pick is absurd. That's all.
Why is it absurd? Certainly, if you're a person who thinks Allar has the goods, I understand why you'd disagree. But you can see why people who think Allar is unlikely to ever be a starting QB and not consistent enough to be a good backup would take the stance that he's not worth anything more than a late round pick, right?
Personally, the sixth round sounds about right to me with Allar. But I don't begrudge anyone who thinks he's a seventh round pick or undraftable.
Like Carson Beck, he was on my meaningless NFW list prior to the combine (lol)
However as much as my opinion hasnt necessarily changed, I definitely can definitely see the allure each of them may offer and why a team might take a flier.
Would you rather bank on developing Bennett into your long term starter or Allar?
The disconnect here is youre comparing Allar who has a lot of issues in his play that we can see on video to two guys that were high first round picks.
I'm not aware of anyone saying Allar is a 1st round pick.
Now if you're saying he will struggle early only to find success after a few years and different teams that's possible. But that doesn't equate to being like Datnold.
I was equating them because people gave up on Darnold. They said he couldn't play. Made bad decisions.
Allar's biggest knock is he makes bad decisions. Just saying that flaw can change with possibly better coaching and maybe sitting and learning.
He was drafted 3rd overall, nobody gave up on him. People didnt start doubting him until his 3rd year in the league. Allar is hoping to get a chance at the NFL. Not sure how you cant see the difference, its like comparing a carrot to a coconut
The issue is the starting point and the investment. People give up on day 3 QBs easily. A 1st round pick is different. They are much different than Allar ever could be.
I realize the differences, just talking about how one player improved his faults. So not sure why another can't as well.
BTW, Darnold only played about one year of college football. Maybe had he played a second year those warts would have emerged and he would have dropped in the eyes of scouts. That happens all the time to QBs. Look at this draft. Allar dropped late in 24' after he was looked at as a first rd pick ir at the very least a 2nd, prior to the CFB playoffs.
So how these guys are looked at in college is very fluid and a snapshot in time. Darnold timed it right and came out after one quality year. Then his struggles occurred and two QB needy teams completely gave up on him and two others also let him move on.
Allar was highly thought of in November of 24', then he struggled in that Notre Dame playoff game and his draft stock took a hit. So where a guy gets drafted can change dramatically quickly. Both these guys have the tools to be franchise QBs. It's between the ears that were or are issues for both.
Again, all I am saying is the talk of Allar being a 7th rd pick is just a dumb take. You guys are trying to make too much of that complaint of mine.
I am not saying he will be a star. What I am saying is that he has the tools worth taking a shot on him, whether it in the mid to late 4th or in the 5th, etc...
You guys are making too much of my initial comment. You are acting like I am predicting greatness.
ALL I SAID IS THAT THE TALK OF HIM BEING A 7TH RD PICK WAS A DUMB COMMENT.
Who said he should he a first round pick? You guys have created a strawman here.