Where do you stand on QB Ty Simpson?

[El Chapo Jr]

I'm not sure of the flak you got, but I can only guess the point being made was who cares what the media thinks. Especially, when most don't really watch these prospects.

Oh I did because it was being misinterpreted when I said this would be the endless debate had, fair or unfair. No way to know if a different pick at 13 vs Simpson would be the difference. However, it'll be debated throughout the year, especially if the Rams have issues at preceived spots they could have drafted. I get anyone can sound smarter using hindsight but it won't stop the
criticism. Buckle up because there's possibly more to come. I'm just going to root the Rams on in the meantime.

 

[Coliseum Ram]

He's a rookie so I wouldn't expect it of him especially when the plan is to develop him behind the scenes because he was deemed not quite pro ready yet due to his limited games played at the college level. Chances are Simpson probably won't be the QB2 until the later part of the season unless Stetson just shows he's a better option for the time being. To me, sounds like the plan is to mostly red shirt Simpson.

Completely agree. Can see Simpson as QB3 for whole season possibly. As I've said, and this went for Goff in 2016 as well, #no freak-outs about Simpson til Year 2 minimum.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Completely agree. Can see Simpson as QB3 for whole season possibly. As I've said, and this went for Goff in 2016 as well, #no freak-outs about Simpson til Year 2 minimum.

Wouldn't surprise me the more I think about it because it seems like the Rams are going to play the patience game. It may well be that we won't know shit about his development year 1 because they are going to keep Simpson out of the spotlight. Sure we'll get training camp/preseason glimpses, but that's it.

 

[Coliseum Ram]

And yet I somehow got flak for saying this would happen lol.... apparently we shouldn't care yet a media opinion is being posted here, too funny. Sorry folks, no matter what side someone is on when debating what the Rams did vs what they should have done, it's going to be beat to death, revived, beat to death over and over again. These hypothetical debates can go on for ages. Please note, I'm not saying I'm debating anything just commenting.

This is true, you simply SAID this would happen, without your own personal commentary involved. A bunch of us said "we still dont give a shit, glad we drafted Simpson." Its only being posted to show that its the juvenile commentary in the media (not the intelligent) that is against the pick. As evidenced by HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

What kind of reputable news Organization, PRINTS that???

 

[Coliseum Ram]

Oh I did because it was being misinterpreted when I said this would be the endless debate had, fair or unfair. No way to know if a different pick at 13 vs Simpson would be the difference. However, it'll be debated throughout the year, especially if the Rams have issues at preceived spots they could have drafted. I get anyone can sound smarter using hindsight but it won't stop the
criticism. Buckle up because there's possibly more to come. I'm just going to root the Rams on in the meantime.

Does this kind of criticism GET to you? Cause ya know, most of us just kinda LAUGH at it and take receipts.....

 

[El Chapo Jr]

This is true, you simply SAID this would happen, without your own personal commentary involved. A bunch of us said "we still dont give a shit, glad we drafted Simpson." Its only being posted to show that its the juvenile commentary (not intelligent) that is against the pick.

I'm sure they'll be more of these types of things posted. As I said, I'm just going to watch the NFL season unfold and root on the Rams.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Does this kind of criticism GET to you? Cause ya know, most of us just kinda LAUGH at it and take receipts.....

Not at all. It was just funny how passionate the responses were to we don't give a shit but yet it's posted? Although I get where the argument comes from, I don't care what's debated because reality is Simpson is a Ram. Nothing is going to change that fact at all. We can't control this endless debate that will most likely occur. I'm just choosing to focus my energy on rooting the best for the Rams period.

 

[Coliseum Ram]

Wouldn't surprise me the more I think about it because it seems like the Rams are going to play the patience game. It may well be that we won't know shit about his development year 1 because they are going to keep Simpson out of the spotlight. Sure we'll get training camp/preseason glimpses, but that's it.

Yes of course. A bunch of us here were saying pre-Draft, that even with a Simpson pick, Staff could play for us 2-3 more years, that Ty needed THAT much seasoning.

I've personally altered my prognosis to 2 years maximum, since. But not inflexible on that either.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Probably. I think we have to take the entire first round as a whole in this case. But I could still understand someone wanting to do something with that 13th pick specifically for this year.

Doesn't matter what "someone" wants, the Rams considered everybody available at pick 13 as meh so they went with the qb they thought might be something.

Easy decision for the Rams, seemingly.

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[sloramfan]

el chapo....

i have to admit, i was rowing the same boat.. my initial thought was WTF???

but after my initial meltdown...

im all in...

and not because im a rose colored glasses wearing ram fan ( although i am)...

something tells me this is over our heads and was the best pick the rams could have made....

you keep backpeddaling on your first take, but you and i were lockstep in that zone...

it's not that i know anything about the process... but i think we may have struck gold and everyone else in the NFL missed it...

uhhhh.. i think mcsnead have once again ripped the league a new one on this....

somehow they seem to do this year after year when it comes to the draft.... ansd sean knows QB...

we're gonna have to trust him on this....

go rams

slo

 

[PARAM]

.......no matter what side someone is on when debating what the Rams did vs what they should have done, it's going to be beat to death

Well yeah, particularly when they substitute could have done with should have done.

That's like saying "everybody is entitled to their own opinion as long as it doesn't contradict mine".

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Well yeah, particularly when they substitute could have done with should have done.

That's like saying "everybody is entitled to their own opinion as long as it doesn't contradict mine".

Tomato, Tomatoe to me lol..... everyone is going to have an opinion one way or the other. I'm way past that part as the choice for the 13th pick is well past cemented. We'll see what truly happens over time.

 

[DzRams]

I can see it now. Rams give up 1st Round pick in ''27 ( 24-32), '28, and '29, to move up to Pick 8 and select QB5 of 2027 Draft.

(Blue Font) Sounds like a great deal......

Nah. I'll take Tyrus Simpson (name?) at pick 13, 2026 and keep my futures.

Yep, that's probably how much it would cost for a massive trade up. And that's if they even could trade up.

When is the last time we've seen a move from the late 20s to inside the 10? It's super rare because generally teams picking inside 10 don't want to move back that far.

 

[PARAM]

... We'll see what truly happens over time.

And that's reality no matter who the pick happens to be, isn't it?

I can't remember the last draft choice to win the SB for their team on draft day.

Hell I can't remember the last rookie to win the SB for their team in their rookie year.

 

[jjab360]

Anti-Ram bias or not, I'm still really amazed at the stupidity in believing that one selection could cost a team a Super Bowl.

Rams win the Super Bowl after drafting Simpson.
Good pick by the Rams.

Rams don't make it or lose the Super Bowl after drafting Simpson.
Bad pick by the Rams.

Rams win the Super Bowl after drafting someone else.
Rams are a smart team.

Rams don't make it or lose the Super Bowl after drafting someone else.
Somehow impossible, but we'd probably hear <crickets>.

Afterward the discussion would turn to how much they would the have to give up to move up for a QB.

Yeah, I mean the Rams would have the best SB odds no matter what happened in the draft because they have the best roster in the league on paper and already fixed their primary weakness at CB earlier in the offseason. Obviously doesn't mean we're assured to win with injuries, bad breaks, unexpected contenders like last year's Seahags, and a million other unforeseen developments between now and next February. But there's not that much that would have happened with that 13th pick that drastically changes the future odds no matter how many scream to the heavens about this all-time wasted opportunity.

One thing Snead brought up that this pick does do is open up the option to trade future first round picks now that you think you have your future secured. You can't do that without a future QB, and that's the "win now" perspective that's being lost in the sauce here. You trade those future firsts without a QB in waiting and you really are mortgaging everything and limiting your window and that's just dumb football. And with that in mind your options open up to taking a rookie at 13 who gets immediate PT but still needs to be developed and/or could be a bust and maybe improves your SB odds by 1% or trade that 2027 1st for a proven asset that improves your SB odds by 5%. Let's say it's a hypothetical argument of Makai Lemon vs AJ Brown and it's not even close who improves your immediate odds.

Your future picks are now on the table and there's that "win now" opportunity plus securing your future and everybody's happy. That's smart football and something to keep in mind in the coming months.

Anyway, I say all that to say that I agree. Arguing Ty Simpson the prospect could have merit but this whole "we blew it and could've had a rookie take us to the SB" argument is just dumb.

 

[majrleaged]

Not what I said. An

Disappointed that we didn't help the team for this year? Doesn't McDuffie apply to that?

In fact made it weaker by not having a proven backup for Stafford? Wait, you actually think the 2026 Rams are weaker than the 2025 Rams?

I think the Qb room is weaker behind Stafford. Tell me I’m wrong.

As far as making a 1st round pick that could help this years team, they didn’t. That is what we are talking about and you know it. Argue that the rams made the team better this year with the 13th pick.

 

[TexasRam]

Sure there are salary cap implications, but some young veterans have low cap numbers for a couple years and could be extended with reasonable cap numbers initially thereafter. For example, the earlier mentioned Jaguars WR Brian Thomas Jr. who was rumored to be available.

Don't know for sure, but if the team wanted a young WR, he's one with experience and would be less of a maybe than a mere rookie. And I'd be shocked if Jacksonville (who didn't have a 1st round pick this year) would turn down the 13th selection for his services (though I'd hope that they would have to give back a later round choice in the deal).

Also, the margin of victory between Seattle and the Rams LAST YEAR was one or two plays. Not right now. We've got an entirely new season coming up. BTW, I'd add one or two coaching decisions last year to that margin of victory, too, but I digress. Anyway those one or two plays (coaching decisions) could have very well been made or not made (Xavier) by the players (McVay) on that roster.

In the end, it's like McVay said, if there was someone that could be selected at #13 that would guarantee a championship then that would have been the selection. But, this is a new season and while it might give some a warm feeling for the possibility, no rookie selected at #13 does that even if he had an Emmanwori level impact.

We can agree to disagree. Mainly because I would rather spend my energy rooting for Simpson rather than being right. He's an intriguing prospect that could be successful down the road and the new face of the Rams. And I love his processing, and football junkie mindset along with his running ability. Looking forward to seeing new wrinkles in the next version of the Mcvay system. I think it also gives Mcvay another reason to stick around, and hope he can crack the code for another Lombardi, with a mobile high IQ talent like Simpson.

Regarding Thomas or a WR like him, I think an extension that likely fetches 30M a year over a few years isn't even in the cards. We have too many of our own mouths to feed starting next year and likely early this year, to keep a championship roster in place.. 60M over two years doesn't make sense when you could get a rookie at pick 13 for 6M a year and likely 12M over two years. Just throwing rough numbers out there.

100% a rookie could put a team over the edge. To use the Emmanwori example. if he doesn't make a few plays against us then we likely win that game. Are we better in the secondary now and can Mcvay coach better or Smith not fumble? Of course. But players absolutely affect the outcomes of the games. Otherwise drafts and free agency are irrelevant.

I would not trade Mcvay for any coach but his record is not exactly flawless regarding draft choices. Tutu over Humphrey, Moving back to take Ferguson over a player like Emmanwori certainly changed the dynamic of last years rosters. Recently Snead was told how brillliant he was to take Puka in RD 5. Snead responded by saying they did not honestly know he would be that good or they would have obviously picked Puka earlier. So, The Rams draft strategy and execution isn't exactly bullet proof. It has at times massive holes and question marks and is wrong. I just hope this isn't another example. Either way the McSnead monster will recover because their other coaching/GM qualities are top notch at times. Namely, Mcvay's offensive mind and ability to innovate, in my opinion.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Yeah, I mean the Rams would have the best SB odds no matter what happened in the draft because they have the best roster in the league on paper and already fixed their primary weakness at CB earlier in the offseason. Obviously doesn't mean we're assured to win with injuries, bad breaks, unexpected contenders like last year's Seahags, and a million other unforeseen developments between now and next February. But there's not that much that would have happened with that 13th pick that drastically changes the future odds no matter how many scream to the heavens about this all-time wasted opportunity.

One thing Snead brought up that this pick does do is open up the option to trade future first round picks now that you think you have your future secured. You can't do that without a future QB, and that's the "win now" perspective that's being lost in the sauce here. You trade those future firsts without a QB in waiting and you really are mortgaging everything and limiting your window and that's just dumb football. And with that in mind your options open up to taking a rookie at 13 who gets immediate PT but still needs to be developed and/or could be a bust and maybe improves your SB odds by 1% or trade that 2027 1st for a proven asset that improves your SB odds by 5%. Let's say it's a hypothetical argument of Makai Lemon vs AJ Brown and it's not even close who improves your immediate odds.

Your future picks are now on the table and there's that "win now" opportunity plus securing your future and everybody's happy. That's smart football and something to keep in mind in the coming months.

Anyway, I say all that to say that I agree. Arguing Ty Simpson the prospect could have merit but this whole "we blew it and could've had a rookie take us to the SB" argument is just dumb.

I wouldn't call it completely dumb but extremely hard to prove. Could it have helped? Maybe, maybe not? Who really knows. It's something to talk about and will be talked about amongst talking heads (media). I'm just rooting the Rams on at this point.

 

[majrleaged]

The only projection that counts for anything is the Rams projection. I, too, at one time believed he needed a clipboard year but Snead stated the other day in his interview that part of the calculus for drafting him is that they need a QB2 now.

You don't draft him for QB2 this year if you think he needs a clipboard year. No guarantee he wins the job over Bennett, but if he does, that indicates they feel he can contribute this year.

No way he is better than Jimmy G. Not this year

 

[TexasRam]

Here is to hoping the Simpson pick really pays off and I do get the logic behind the pick since moving up for a top QB would cost tons of draft capitol any other year, due to Rams being perennial top team.

But another example of a rookie impacting a team for a Super Bowl run is Cooper Dejean. Cooper DeJean absolutely affected the Eagles’ defense in their Super Bowl year, and his impact was both seen during the season and in the Super Bowl itself.

He became a regular starter around midseason after the eagles struggled in pass defense. The Eagles finished the regular season with the No. 1 overall defense and No. 1 pass defense in the NFL. Dejean didn’t allow a receiving touchdown during the regular season and graded extremely well in coverage.

DeJean recorded a 38‑yard pick‑six off Patrick Mahomes in the second quarter that broke the game open, if you remember watching.

By the way, many Rams fans were pounding the table for Dejean if you recall. We moved up in the draft to pick 39 and drafted Fiske. Many assumed it was for Dejean who was highly touted and projected by some to go top 15. The eagles then traded up to pick 40 after we selected Fiske. The Rest is history.

There’s even behind-the-scenes Eagles footage showing Howie Roseman celebrating when the Rams picked Fiske instead of DeJean, because that cleared the way for Philadelphia to grab him.

Philly picked Jalen Carter when other teams passed on him due to character concerns. Carter ended our season after blowing up Limmer, if you remember.

And now how ironic, we pass on Makai Lemon who was the odds-on favorite Rams pick. The Eagles moved up to draft him after we passed on him. So let's see if history repeats itself again.