What’s your success-o meter reading

[UKram]

So thinking about the trade and everything that’s going on

What level of success do the rams need to attain for you to think that this trade was worth it ?

I’m sure there’s many here that hate giving up goff and may who think it’s already a success because JG is no longer a ram


For me anything less than a Super Bowl win and it’s not worth it .. we could have rode out next year on goff and even if it was a poor season we would have draft capital to draft the new QB

I like Stafford as a competitor and a player I don’t necessarily agree he makes us any better he’ll we could 16-0 and not win the super bowl and I still think it’ll be a failure

 

[CGI_Ram]

The thoughts banging around my head;

2-3 years ago I would have NEVER pictured this Rams team with [Stafford and Ramsey], and without [Goff, Gurley, Cooks]...

So, to think even to the end of Stafford’s current deal, (or the success of this trade) feels light years in today’s NFL.



I’m dizzy from this trade. lol. Frigg.

 

[Dodgersrf]

To stay relevant.

Most will say to win a Super Bowl, but there are other teams out there that want to screw it up for us.

 

[XXXIVwin]

I don’t agree with the premise of the question.

By the same logic... if we had NOT done the deal... would we be saying that “keeping Goff and our #1 draft picks is only worth it if we win a Super Bowl”?

I personally agree with Snead and McVay that (unfortunately) Goff was an average QB that was regressing, and also had a gigantic salary.

The OP said we should have gone with Goff and then even if we had a terrible year we could have used our “draft capital” to bail us out? Seriously? Um,when things were at their worst, the Rams tried that in a couple different decades... suck really bad, then hope draft picks make us better...

 

[tempests]

I perceive urgency from the team. Seems clear to me the idea is to win a Super Bowl with this core of players while the window is open for them.

It could be that this regime will define success or failure by whether they achieve that goal.

Recently, when the subject of trying to land Stafford came up inside the Rams offices, McVay gave the Perspicacious Quote of the Week: “It’s not about winning the trade. It’s about winning the Super Bowl.”

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-super-bowl-rams-lions-trade-fmia-peter-king/

 

[UKram]

I don’t agree with the premise of the question.

By the same logic... if we had NOT done the deal... would we be saying that “keeping Goff and our #1 draft picks is only worth it if we win a Super Bowl”?

I personally agree with Snead and McVay that (unfortunately) Goff was an average QB that was regressing, and also had a gigantic salary.

The OP said we should have gone with Goff and then even if we had a terrible year we could have used our “draft capital” to bail us out? Seriously? Um,when things were at their worst, the Rams tried that in a couple different decades... suck really bad, then hope draft picks make us better...

I think my point is ... we could have rolled with goff one more and by using our knowledge of the last four years make the playoffs and if he shit the bed (which is a possibility )move on and use our firsts to go after another QB in the draft ... we are now tied to Stafford for at least two years if not three

I guess my best analogy would something like buying a car driving it for a few years then buying an the exact “same” model that’s older for more money and getting the same mpg.. speed .. etc ..


As for draft picks ... we do pretty well in later rounds .. imagine what they could do with some 1st round talent available.. and let’s be honest the set up we have no is way better than we had during the space linehan fisher years

 

[Mackeyser]

I think my point is ... we could have rolled with goff one more and by using our knowledge of the last four years make the playoffs and if he shit the bed (which is a possibility )move on and use our firsts to go after another QB in the draft ... we are now tied to Stafford for at least two years if not three

I guess my best analogy would something like buying a car driving it for a few years then buying an the exact “same” model that’s older for more money and getting the same mpg.. speed .. etc ..


As for draft picks ... we do pretty well in later rounds .. imagine what they could do with some 1st round talent available.. and let’s be honest the set up we have no is way better than we had during the space linehan fisher years

No we couldn't.

And I say this having been a person who only wanted Watson or to stick with Goff.

But as more reporting is coming in (and we're being pointed to more reporting that I'd never seen), we're seeing that Goff in his current form is "figured out".

And just like with the 6 man fronts that vexed McVay, he'll be dealing with those issues until he figures them out.

He still has a very live arm and is decent in most other aspects. Seems like a good kid.

But we have maybe the best defender to ever play the game... legit able to contend with anyone to be on the Mount Rushmore of football defenders... and he's in his prime.

Just out of respect for the game, would it have been prudent to wait another year and then wait to hit on a rookie? If that doesn't happen, the window is closed and one of the greatest defenders of all time has no shot at a ring short of going to another team... like Chris Long did.

Honestly, I respect the urgency if for no other reason than AD stuck around during the Fisher days and didn't request a trade. He was willing to stick it out, he just wanted to get paid.

So even if the ONLY reason is "FOR AD!!!" (there are many reasons) I'm for this.

The window is now.

 

[IBruce80]

I wanted to keep Goff. Ok, let's get that out of the way...

With or without Goff, I really expect us to clinch the division.
I think the 49ers are going to be tough next season.

After that, we can all hope for home field advantage in the playoffs, NFC Championship, and the Super Bowl.

 

[OregonRamsFan]

I think my point is ... we could have rolled with goff one more and by using our knowledge of the last four years make the playoffs and if he shit the bed (which is a possibility )move on and use our firsts to go after another QB in the draft ... we are now tied to Stafford for at least two years if not three

I guess my best analogy would something like buying a car driving it for a few years then buying an the exact “same” model that’s older for more money and getting the same mpg.. speed .. etc ..


As for draft picks ... we do pretty well in later rounds .. imagine what they could do with some 1st round talent available.. and let’s be honest the set up we have no is way better than we had during the space linehan fisher years

If I am the coach, I am not waiting the extra year that gets me fired. We need Stafford to beat the niners. I don’t think we got the best version of Goff when we played them. That all changes now. It’s Super Bowl or bust baby.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

The only thing that would make this trade not worth it is if something happened to Stafford and he couldn’t play or had to retire after a year.

 

[dang]

The test will be if the offense improves by turning the ball over significantly less and scores more than 17 points per game (Which seemed to be their limit at the end of the season).

 

[ozarkram]

Some are saying the Rams are on the cutting edge and this will be the new normal for teams around the league. Others see the Rams as a house of cards and with one or two pieces removed (specifically AD,Stafford and Ramsey) the house will come tumbling down for years to come. What seems to be reckless now may become the new normal. Or not. Its gonna be fun to see how it plays out.

 

[CeeZar]

For me anything less than a Super Bowl win and it’s not worth it .. we could have rode out next year on goff and even if it was a poor season we would have draft capital to draft the new QB

We used our draft capitol to get Goff. We got to a superbowl but lost it, how did that rate on your success-o-meter?

 

[Mackeyser]

As for the value of 1st rounders? I think the Rams are right.

It's not a perfect system, but I like that they are doing things differently.

Time will tell if it's sustainable.

 

[Mackeyser]

I think this trade was a grand slam home run and that's a 180 degree change from my initial feelings.

The synergies are real and I think we're gonna see something special.

I really think we're gonna win the Super Bowl. I do.

I'll make a new thread breaking that down, but I shouldn't start it now... have to wait until tonight.

 

[FrantikRam]

Honestly, I think a lot of posters on here are letting their love for Goff color this.

Even if Goff repeats his performance from this year, we'd win 8-10 games most likely. So keeping that first round pick, which is likely to be in the 18-20 range at best, AND needing to replace a QB? That's an awful position to be in.

That's obviously the position that McVay felt we'd be in - and several posters on this site, including myself, as well.

The first round picks are a complete and total non factor in this trade - they just are. Just to illustrate this, the Titans drafted some decent players with their haul, and Goff is no longer a Ram, and yet we've both won 47 games and 3 playoff games since the trade. But the Rams have two division titles and a Super Bowl appearance while the Titans one division title.

And in this scenario we gave the Titans the 5th overall pick in one of those drafts. For as crazy bad as RG3 went, Washington still got more playoff appearances out of that deal than we did until Fisher left.

Fans love rookies, love the draft and the hope that it represents. I think as fans of a team that was SO bad for SO long, the draft is nearer and dearer to us than most teams' fans.

We're still likely to get comp picks each year, where we'll have anywhere from 7-10 draft picks in total - we'll just start picking in the 50s instead of the 20s.

This trade was good for Detroit ONLY because Stafford wanted out and the situation was amicable. The media will have their hot takes and then ignore the actual results of what happens. Taking Goff could actually make this worse for Detroit - if they pass on a QB this year that ends up being great because they have Goff, it could set them back for years.

 

[FrantikRam]

I think this trade was a grand slam home run and that's a 180 degree change from my initial feelings.

The synergies are real and I think we're gonna see something special.

I really think we're gonna win the Super Bowl. I do.

I'll make a new thread breaking that down, but I shouldn't start it now... have to wait until tonight.

Has that 2018 off season feeling to me now. Where I was like, this team is going to win a lot of games.

 

[Dz1]

I like the trade and that they took Goffs contract. Never like giving up picks.

I honestly wish Goff the best, but IMHO he'll bust in the Motor City.

There's something not being said here between the Rams and Goff..

 

[Mackeyser]

Has that 2018 off season feeling to me now. Where I was like, this team is going to win a lot of games.

It has a 1999 feeling to me.

We had most of the pieces and we got Faulk, Timmerman and then Warner stepped up, but remember Trent Green was lighting things up before he was injured (not to diminish what Warner accomplished which was historic).

We have so many pieces and just got what I think is the biggest piece.

We may not upgrade the ILB, but as long as we upgrade C, we're good.

 

[dieterbrock]

Its been Superbowl or bust since they lost that first round playoff game to Atlanta after the 2017 season. Why would this year be any different?
Yeah, if they dont win in the next 2 years, this trade may be looked as a failure, but then so would the Ramsey trade. Why is one different from the other?
Its Super Bowl or bust. How many teams can legit say that?
We can
And we should