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One day, perhaps soon, Aaron Donald will be gone. Some are pissed that he dared to ask for more money with years left on his current deal. Others recognize that he has outperformed his contract and he wants to be fairly compensated. This thread isn't about the AD debate so much, as it is about your philosophy about what you desire for the team.
I would rather have two Super Bowl wins for the current team by 2024, than seven years of good seasons and only one Super Bowl win. I think AD is that critical, but for the sake of this conversation, you could insert "All Time Great" for AD or ATG.

Trade ATG:
You get rid of a big salary, but now have a massive hole to fill. You also have to reevaluate the players around ATG who have been beneficiaries of his presence, because he has a history of getting less talented guys paid with his double and triple teams and they get single teams. OC's no longer have to be terribly aware of where ATG is in the defense. Sure, you probably get a bevy of draft picks, but the odds are there will be no player in the draft like ATG, because players like ATG only come around once in a generation or two. You draft some players who pan out and others who do not. You have more CAP space, but the overall play of the defense is no longer elite. The offense overcompensates because they have to score more points, but the team gets stymied in the playoffs by a team that plays physical defense. Sean McVay keeps getting offered a tv job, year after year......

Keep ATG:
Big contract upon which Les works his magic. The team is able to stay together for another couple of years and the NFL wonders if the Rams really work under a salary cap. ATG is a terror up the middle. The Rams offense does it's thing, but in the end it comes down to a final stop by ATG and his mates. There is a great chance for another Lombardi in the next two years, after which ATG probably retires. We have no draft picks for his loss, but we have a second Lombardi, followed by a possible rebuild and no playoffs for a while.

In this scenario, which would you rather have?
 

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I would rather have two Super Bowl wins for the current team by 2024, than seven years of good seasons and only one Super Bowl win.
I just love an opportunity to use this one on you... :laugh4:

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Keep ATG, that's dumb to consider even trading him. He covers up the weaknesses of others on that line, LB core, and secondary over the years.

My only qualm I have with this post @Loyal is I think it's feasible to get two more SB titles before AD hangs them up! But they got to be damned quick. like 2 out of the next 3 years? What you think about the possibility of that?
 

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Dickerson leaving was bad
Kurt Warner leaving was bad
Ike Bruce leaving was bad
Big Game Holt leaving was bad
SJax leaving was bad

I tired of seeing greats for this team finish their careers in other uniforms.

Pay the man
 

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Keep ATG, that's dumb to consider even trading him. He covers up the weaknesses of others on that line, LB core, and secondary over the years.

My only qualm I have with this post @Loyal is I think it's feasible to get two more SB titles before AD hangs them up! But they got to be damned quick. like 2 out of the next 3 years? What you think about the possibility of that?
That would be a dream and we'd be a new dynasty. I could live with it!
 

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I think re: AD you either get the deal done or you move him. Also I think you are oversimplifying the side of concern with regard to signing AD but that's to be expected in these exchanges with differing opinions. There are a lot of legitimate concerns at play here to weigh vs the importance of having him for this year.

I'll say it again: McVay is the franchise. So long as the Rams remember this they're going to keep winning and contending. No one player guarantees winning or losing a Super Bowl. Not even AD.

The squandering the future thing is so overplayed it's ridiculous. As fans we do it with singular/great players just like we do it with draft picks and it's generally BS. Hopefully this gets done and we all laugh about it like we do the previous holdout. But if not the Rams will be just fine. They probably fail this year to defend the title without AD, but then again it's tough to do even with the same roster anyway in this league. But they have to find a path that is good for the team in all this and if it isn't there then the unthinkable happens and if it does they'll be just fine.
 

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I think re: AD you either get the deal done or you move him. Also I think you are oversimplifying the side of concern with regard to signing AD but that's to be expected in these exchanges with differing opinions. There are a lot of legitimate concerns at play here to weigh vs the importance of having him for this year.

I'll say it again: McVay is the franchise. So long as the Rams remember this they're going to keep winning and contending. No one player guarantees winning or losing a Super Bowl. Not even AD.

The squandering the future thing is so overplayed it's ridiculous. As fans we do it with singular/great players just like we do it with draft picks and it's generally BS. Hopefully this gets done and we all laugh about it like we do the previous holdout. But if not the Rams will be just fine. They probably fail this year to defend the title without AD, but then again it's tough to do even with the same roster anyway in this league. But they have to find a path that is good for the team in all this and if it isn't there then the unthinkable happens and if it does they'll be just fine.
Like your namesake, I want ATG to retire as a Ram. As for McVay, he said something like "If you stay, I'll stay" to AD.....Losing AD, might send Sean to ABC (or wherever)
 

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Yeah if I had to lay money I'd go with the Rams getting this done. I just can't help myself though when I see a trend of "pay the man" I have to stop and look at that other side as well. And the more I look at it the more I realize it's not that simple.

Again though I do expect them to get it done. And I do of course want to see AD retire as a Ram. I'm gonna be pissed if I have to see him in another uni, though that's an old story for us old timers.
 

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Dickerson leaving was bad
Kurt Warner leaving was bad
Ike Bruce leaving was bad
Big Game Holt leaving was bad
SJax leaving was bad

I tired of seeing greats for this team finish their careers in other uniforms.

Pay the man

Losing Grant Wistrom was bad
 

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Yeah if I had to lay money I'd go with the Rams getting this done. I just can't help myself though when I see a trend of "pay the man" I have to stop and look at that other side as well. And the more I look at it the more I realize it's not that simple.

Again though I do expect them to get it done. And I do of course want to see AD retire as a Ram. I'm gonna be pissed if I have to see him in another uni, though that's an old story for us old timers.
You will embrace the "Pay the Man" theology, AND LIKE IT!
 

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I think the answer to this post is, you get it done if you can. Can't not try with the greatest defensive player of all time potentially. If you can't see eye to eye, we know he wants to be in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is in the AFC. Probably one of our only trade partners, but, I wouldn't take anything less then a huge offer that included at least 1 impact defender. Would HATE to see him go, but, him retiring leaves us with zilch.
 

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I’d rather have 1 SB and long term sustained success plus another SB maybe 10 years from now…..rather than 2 SB’s now and then we fall off the map for another 15 or 20 years
 

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With sustained success and relevancy you’ve always got a chance to steal a Lombardi
 

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I’d rather have 1 SB and long term sustained success plus another SB maybe 10 years from now…..rather than 2 SB’s now and then we fall off the map for another 15 or 20 years
We had a chance to "steal one" in the 70's and 80's and didn't until 99. I think I'd rather have the sure thing and maybe 5 years of suckage afterwards.
 

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There's only so much money to go around. What about paying Kupp? I'd say he was more instramental in getting to and winning the SB than AD.