What needs to happen (likely not this year)

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The defense is not the issue in any way.

They are a bend but don't brake defense that should consistently hold teams under 20 points. There are enough players on offense being paid well that they should score 20 points a game.
 

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It was interesting to get everyone's perspect on the state of the Rams.

The Rams have to try and right the ship in a hurry for this season. It would help if Noteboom can come back very quickly. Don't know if Edwards or Brewer is the answer but, apparently, Demby isn't. I doubt they can find a solution outside the organization that would not cost high draft capital before the trade deadline. If they could make a less costly move they should at least look elsewhere.

McVay has to adjust the offense. Quicker pass plays and better timing on play calls. I would have like to see quick passes after they established the run. Passes that keep the chains moving. The offensive line can't hold blocks for the long-developing plays.

The Rams need to get the most out of Gurley and get Henderson involved. Despite the fumble, he showed explosiveness in the running game that the Rams need.

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Don't really see the Rams trading away starters that will be free agents next year. If the playoffs become unlikely then play the young guys to see what you have. Get comp picks and maybe resign Talib on the cheap for the free agents to be.

The days of signing high priced free agents are long over. Lower round trades are possible for players with upside but, Rams need to draft quality over quantity for the near future. Find players that don't fit other teams' schemes and make trades as the Patsies do.
 

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The defense is not the issue in any way.

They are a bend but don't brake defense that should consistently hold teams under 20 points. There are enough players on offense being paid well that they should score 20 points a game.

Aaron Donald is the only DL that would sniff the field for the Niners.

They have to upgrade the talent there. The lack of talent around Donald nuetralizes his great ability.

The bend don't break is killing the D and puts the offense on ice for long periods. When they do stop the other team, they are at midfield and that often pins back a struggling offense inside the 15.
 

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I keep thinking that everyone else was right when they said the Rams were going all in for a playoff run in 2017-2018. They saw an opportunity and went for it. They had to see it as a window soon to close. So I don’t fault them for that. But for the long term it seems to have put them in a bit of a hole for the future. It’s going to be interesting to see how they dug out of it in the next 2-3 seasons. This could go either way. If they continue to think Kromer can turn backup quality Olinemen into starters, then they will fail.
 

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I have yet to see it, and sure didn't see it yesterday. I honestly get the feeling that Shanahan's confidence in JG isn't where it needs to be. And I think we would have seen his problems come to the fore yesterday had our offense even been in the same zip code as competent. Perhaps JG will get better as the season goes along, but what I've seen so far is a guy who mostly throws the safe passes (probably by the coach's design), short passes and screens. But I don't think JG is anywhere near the hype surrounding him.

Jimmy and his two turnovers? LOL

They’re afraid of him, IMO.
 

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I wanted a bit of no huddle...wear the 9ers out.
 

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How much PA did he use after running straight down the 49ers defense?



JG is playing very, very good football this year. 70% completion and 8 YPA. He's more than capable of throwing downfield.

The play action has been sniffed out, specifically in the OL scheme.

In other words, it looks to me as if the DL is queueing off the OL rather than anything Goff is or isn't doing.

When you run out of similar looks, if you start to show tendencies... and McVay has... then defenses will basically know what you're running the minute you snap the ball... which they have.

I'm in the minority of those that think JG is an elite QB. He is. As Waldman showed in many clips, he's literally getting hit at or just after his back foot hits, meaning he can't even do a 5 step drop and throw to his first option.

Belichick has tons more experience in adjusting his offense, which he's run for 20+ years now. It's hard to master, but it's flexible as all get out and is like a Swiss Army knife in that it can power run, use double TEs, use spread concepts... you name it. Have a crap OL, it can scheme short passes. Have a great OL, get that disgruntled super star WR and set records.

I think McVay will be fine in the long term. He's too focused on making these adjustments to NOT figure this out.

That said, he's GOT to adjust such that he's covering the A gaps so that Goff can have time.
 

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What's funny is that he was playing with the dregs at the beginning of TC and now he's on the game day roster of 46.

Every single time they give that guy an opportunity, he shows up. I see it. I could be wrong, but he's the kind of guy we've missed on in the past.

Also, I desperately hope Littleton is resigned. I really don't think we let him get away. Other than GZ, we don't have any must sign guys of our own. I'd like to keep Fowler, but I think they have plans with the money that would have gone to Fowler and Brockers.
 

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I think a lot of people were saying "WTF".

Maybe they had some off games, some matchup issues or someone figured something out.
 

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Okay what does today mean?

Well, I'm quite optimistic.

Granted, we made moves on the defense, but the game is won in all 3 phases and honestly, the biggest issue on Sunday was the TOP. Our D was on the field too long. Even if we trade 3 and outs, it's a different ballgame...even with our flaws on the OL and schematically.

On defense: on multiple sites our depth chart indicates that Natrez Patrick is our starter at OLB with Ebu backing up Fowler. Even if that's not correct, it does point to Patrick being moved to outside, at least for the rest of this year and getting substantial playing time. That's a good thing. He's a rook and he's not Clay Matthews, but he's a baller and he tackles well.

I expect us to go HARD on press man coverage and run blitz the crap out of Atlanta, creating tons of interior pressure. Atlanta also has a pocket QB in Ryan and they've been struggling. We definitely have someone who can just man up on Julio Jones which makes the rest a bit easier.

That should be the defense's way of increasing the offense's TOP.

On offense: So let's presume we get don't get Williams. I don't like the idea of having a guy not in football shape being put on an island. I think that's asking for injury and he's going to want to be signed to a long term contract. Me no likey. But I think Cleveland ultimately wins out and I'm not unhappy about it. I think unless they make a move today, I think we'll still have our OL with no changes unless they swap Edwards for Demby (not sure how it could be worse than Demby, but I already know in asking the question, that it could be and I don't want that, if for no other reason than JG's health).

I truly think McVay's been focusing on 3rd down conversions, better play calling on 3rd down and offensive efficiency to ensure we aren't in many if any 3rd and long plays. I also think he's going to have gotten the message that he's going to have to scheme around his OL which means less production, but wins. I think he can do that. He clearly doesn't want to, but he's been doing it more and more and I think he'll pull out all the stops to not end up underwater on the season.

I think we fix a LOT of problems if we tried for Scherff, but it seems we're maybe in a bidding war with Cleveland for Trent Williams. I dunno what the plan is if they did get him. Move Noteboom to RT if he's back in time to start next season?

Could Austin Corbett be the answer? Unlikely, but yes. There's another smart technician-type OL I was super high on who didn't pan out... that'd be Barrett Jones. So, I dunno. Corbett is misplaced at Center and ultimately should be very good at LG, but he needs time to learn the position. Some guys struggle at first in all that traffic and this wouldn't be the first guy the Browns didn't have a solid development plan for.

In light of the recent changes which show an incredible commitment to winning now as well as in the future, I've considerably raised by win projections.

As of right now with no additional moves, I see us going 9-7 or 10-6 depending on some bounces, refereeing, FG kicking and a few other uncontrollable details.

To be clear, if the Rams can address the interior OL, especially not ignoring the double A gap pressure... this team can be as dangerous as it ever was...
 

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I hope he tells Wade to stop doing the soft zone shit as often.

Peters was most if not all the reason for that "soft zone shit" which I agree was MADDENING!!!

Ramsey, Hill, Long and NRC can all man up just fine which puts Wade's D in better position to make plays within the scheme...
 

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It was interesting to get everyone's perspect on the state of the Rams.

The Rams have to try and right the ship in a hurry for this season. It would help if Noteboom can come back very quickly. Don't know if Edwards or Brewer is the answer but, apparently, Demby isn't. I doubt they can find a solution outside the organization that would not cost high draft capital before the trade deadline. If they could make a less costly move they should at least look elsewhere.

McVay has to adjust the offense. Quicker pass plays and better timing on play calls. I would have like to see quick passes after they established the run. Passes that keep the chains moving. The offensive line can't hold blocks for the long-developing plays.

The Rams need to get the most out of Gurley and get Henderson involved. Despite the fumble, he showed explosiveness in the running game that the Rams need.

For the Future
Don't really see the Rams trading away starters that will be free agents next year. If the playoffs become unlikely then play the young guys to see what you have. Get comp picks and maybe resign Talib on the cheap for the free agents to be.

The days of signing high priced free agents are long over. Lower round trades are possible for players with upside but, Rams need to draft quality over quantity for the near future. Find players that don't fit other teams' schemes and make trades as the Patsies do.

Well, coupla things.

Noteboom is out for the season with ACL and MCL damage. It's questionable whether or not he'll be ready to play for the start of NEXT season which is why I think there've been some supposed leaks that the reason Washington is denying the trade to Cleveland so hard is because the Rams are making a strong play for Trent Williams. Issue with Williams in an immediate sense is that he's not in football shape.

As for Talib, I've been really thinking he doesn't return, but in a #2 reduced salary capacity, I could totally see it. But he's not making $8M anymore. Not with us, anyway.
If we do pay the price for Williams, it'll be because Noteboom won't be ready to take over for Whit in the fall.

We'll see. Wishing Noteboom a speedy recovery ala Kupp.

As for the offense, I'd honestly like them to just go no huddle for the whole game or at least large parts of it. It's amazing how tired those DL get when you don't give them a breather.
 

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Issue with Williams in an immediate sense is that he's not in football shape.

I don't think that should be a factor in whether we should make a move for him. He's always been a little injury prone though. I'd much rather have Scherff in the long run, then again I don't even trust a healthy Noteboom at LT either.
 

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I don't think that should be a factor in whether we should make a move for him. He's always been a little injury prone though. I'd much rather have Scherff in the long run, then again I don't even trust a healthy Noteboom at LT either.

Agree on Scherff. Noteboom with ACL and MCL is unlikely be physically capable of being ready for anything come opening day next year.

I think that's why the Rams are in a bidding war for Trent Williams. Whit is getting older, Hav needs to move inside and we don't know if Edwards is ready to be a pro LT.