What needs to happen (likely not this year)

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Mackeyser

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Okay, patterns. Not in our favor and only getting worse. And this isn't comprehensive. Had some family agro and I'm just not up for comprehensive.

Anyway, I don't see that this is a question of effort, heart or desire. Guys are playing hard on offense and defense.

So... what do we do?

1) Letting Saffold go clearly was a mistake. If we could swap Saffold for Fowler (who I really like), we're in an entirely different situation.

2) Injuries are hammering us this year because they're at critical positions. Every year a team with tons of talent go 5-11 because of injuries at critical positions. That's us this year.

3) McVay is getting a year long clinic that scheme only works when you win in the trenches. If you're not dominating, you're getting dominated.

So, what happens?

1) Fowler is gone. We need his salary. This is unfortunate, but a) he's going to earn a big contract and b) we need that money for the OL

2) We can't dump any of our skill players and we shouldn't. Also, it would hurt the cap more than help, so that's not an option.

3) Gurley isn't the problem. When given the slightest space, he's run with power and confidence. When he's in pass pro 50 snaps, it's hard to get into a rhythm.

4) McVay will continue to iterate and may find sporadic success, but his system is going to need an overhaul or he's gonna be a 1 hit wonder. I think McVay can do it (I mean he came out and ran it down their throats to start the game, but didn't seem to be able to leverage that)

How do we accomplish this?

1) We're going to be HEAVY in the market for OGs. Noteboom will slide to LT, I like Edwards at RT and Havenstein at RG, but either way we need at LEAST a very strong LOG and probably both OG spots and that's gonna cost. At the very least, we need a very competent and strong ROG, be it Hav moving in or someone being brought in because that right side A gap is killing us every week. Every. Week.

2) We're in a huge pickle with our DB situation. I think we go after Ramsey at the end of the season (you think the Jags are sorry they didn't take our 1st rounder now?), let both Talib and Peters go and maybe find another man CB. This hybrid zone isn't working. It's making due. I dunno how much money we'll have, but if we let go both Brockers and Fowler, we should have the money to address this.

3) funny enough, our LB situation is pretty solid.

If Snead and Demoff can work out the OG and CB situation and McVay can adjust his system, we'll be fine in the future. Not this year, but the future.

If not, then yesterday's genius will be tomorrow's cautionary tale.

I love McVay, but this league is all about adaptation. Adapt or be swallowed up.

What does this mean for this year?

C-EUKtBVwAEfWki


It's gonna feel like torture while they work it out. Every game is gonna be up and down with more down UNTIL at the very least, we address the schematic issues because defenses are ahead of us. Couple that with weak interior OL play and it's gonna get ugly.

I wanted the EP offense, but know that McVay can and has put tons of points up. That will only continue if we adjust. Adjustments of this magnitude take time.

In the mean time, we'll see more games like this one and the Seattle game. Our D will keep us in games and even give us multiple chances, but like this game, all the chances in the world won't mean anything if our offense is completely nullified.... and right now it is.

I still love this team and will root for them through thick and thin. It's frustrating that it got so thin so quickly, but it is what it is.

The truth is that based on what I see, we're a defensive score from being a 6-10 team. If the D wins a game, we'll be 6-10, otherwise, this is a 5-11 team... maybe one of the most talented in the history of the NFL, but styles make fights and if you got someone who's figured you out and they're committed, you got Buster Douglas KO'ing Mike Tyson.

I'll respond to any questions or posts, but I'll likely try to avoid commenting too much in the vent thread and then I'll take another sabbatical because I've learned that it sorta ruins it when you know the outcome in advance.

Sorry if I spoiled things for anyone.
 

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Kind of sucks that we're mumbling about the offseason in October, I don't miss those days with Fisher as our head coach but at least we can easily rebound if we have revamp our O-line
 

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Read a little bit of this.. I'm not giving up on this year.

We are a missed FG away from being 4-2 and we have a lot of winnable games ahead.

Sometimes you get your ass kicked but you can't lose confidence just because of that.

The Bears shut us down like this later year.
 

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Theres no way hell this team goes 6-10 or 5-11.

Yes that's all I'm responding to.

No faith in development, improvement, injured players returning? Yeesh.
 

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Also, the OG market this coming up off-season is crappy which is likely why some guys got PAID this off-season. I see very little movement among OGs coming up.

This may lead us to choose between a shut down corner or a top flight OG in the first round.... presuming we don't use it on someone like Ramsey...
 

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Year to year league. Rest of the division has caught up and passed us. Rams can’t just trade draft picks for pricey veterans anymore. They rolled the dice. Got a super bowl appearance out of it. Rams have to go back and find a way to get physical again. They lose the trench battle every game. Very hard to win in this league with that.
 

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Theres no way hell this team goes 6-10 or 5-11.

Yes that's all I'm responding to.

No faith in development, improvement, injured players returning? Yeesh.

I get that.

I'll say it again...I'd love to be wrong. Moreover, I spelled out ways in which I'd be wrong.

But... if they don't do those things... I won't be.

And we'll all be frustrated.

It's not about being right, it's about saying what I see.

Could we do better? Sure. And if we do, it'll be because either a) we adjusted like I've mentioned or b) the other team just craps the bed... which happens in the NFL.

I'll still cheer and be hopeful. I think we can adjust.

But yeah, if we don't (and there are legit reason why we maybe can't...) then the outcome is pretty easy to see.
 

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The next 3 games are very winnable, and could help the Rams get their confidence back. But I agree the OL has got to play better and keep up with the adjustments Ds are going to make. That 1st drive today was great, but the OL could not keep it up. Henderson had a few big runs between the 20s but once we got to the redzone our OL was beaten badly. Some of it may have been playcalling like the 4th and goal, but the OL just got outplayed after coming out on fire.

Well as I watch the charger game pitt may give our OL some problems if they dont get it figured out against atlanta and cincy.
 

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Edwards to LG. It's time. IF he can settle in there and do a good job, things look different and it's about who is our LT in the offseason. But more importantly he's a physical player who moves well for his size and not having a liability there at LG might do more for this line than people realize.

I refuse to quit on this season just yet. Why? Because I still think our defense has better ball in them. If they play up to it, this team can still get into the playoffs.

If not, then we're on the draft before the end of the season. But personally I'm not there yet. Fix LG.

I'd also give Henderson 15+ carries a game. It's time. Put those kids who are chompin at the bit in there. Both him and Edwards have actual TALENT. Let's get this thing fixed one position and game at a time.

Baby steps.
 

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I get that.

I'll say it again...I'd love to be wrong. Moreover, I spelled out ways in which I'd be wrong.

But... if they don't do those things... I won't be.

And we'll all be frustrated.

It's not about being right, it's about saying what I see.

Could we do better? Sure. And if we do, it'll be because either a) we adjusted like I've mentioned or b) the other team just craps the bed... which happens in the NFL.

I'll still cheer and be hopeful. I think we can adjust.

But yeah, if we don't (and there are legit reason why we maybe can't...) then the outcome is pretty easy to see.

Whatever changes that will happen, will happen in March and April 2020. This is October 2019. There are 10 games left.

They are a few plays from 2 additional wins. This is how the ball bounces sometimes. If this was the first, and hopefully only, loss where the team got physically beat, then so be it. Move on and improve.

Correct, worst case is probably 8-8. :palm:

Snarky comment is snarky. Thanks.
 

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Notebloom at LT doesn't sound like success at all.
Does to me, but I want to know the extent of his injury before I make any calls.
 

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Doubtful it happens, but if i'm Snead I start listening to out of our division playoff bound teams who might be interested in Fowler, Brockers, Peters & Talib. Accumulating draft picks gives us a strong future. 2020 still looks bright if we are willing to make some bold adjustments. jmo.
 
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I've lost faith in Kromer. I feel like he might've been overconfident and influenced McSnead's decision-making. I know he's technically a great coach, but you have to be able to realistically evaluate your situation as well.
 

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Fowler and Peters are the only possible trade bait at this time and Fowler is by far the stronger of the two.

I could see the Rams trading him for a high 3rd or low 2nd if this season gets any further away from us since we can't pay him next season and it's unlikely in the extreme that we win much this season based on his contribution.

I say this as someone who REALLY wishes we could resign him...
 

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I've lost faith in Kromer. I feel like he might've been overconfident and influenced McSnead's decision-making. I know he's technically a great coach, but you have to be able to realistically evaluate your situation as well.

yeah, I dunno. Maybe guys flashed in practice and haven't shown up in games.

Maybe it's that they still show up in practice, but they aren't talented enough to make up for how we're getting out-schemed on the OL.

I dunno.

We'll know more in the next two weeks. I think after that, we'll know all we need to know.
 

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Okay, patterns. Not in our favor and only getting worse. And this isn't comprehensive. Had some family agro and I'm just not up for comprehensive.

Anyway, I don't see that this is a question of effort, heart or desire. Guys are playing hard on offense and defense.

So... what do we do?

1) Letting Saffold go clearly was a mistake. If we could swap Saffold for Fowler (who I really like), we're in an entirely different situation.

2) Injuries are hammering us this year because they're at critical positions. Every year a team with tons of talent go 5-11 because of injuries at critical positions. That's us this year.

3) McVay is getting a year long clinic that scheme only works when you win in the trenches. If you're not dominating, you're getting dominated.

So, what happens?

1) Fowler is gone. We need his salary. This is unfortunate, but a) he's going to earn a big contract and b) we need that money for the OL

2) We can't dump any of our skill players and we shouldn't. Also, it would hurt the cap more than help, so that's not an option.

3) Gurley isn't the problem. When given the slightest space, he's run with power and confidence. When he's in pass pro 50 snaps, it's hard to get into a rhythm.

4) McVay will continue to iterate and may find sporadic success, but his system is going to need an overhaul or he's gonna be a 1 hit wonder. I think McVay can do it (I mean he came out and ran it down their throats to start the game, but didn't seem to be able to leverage that)

How do we accomplish this?

1) We're going to be HEAVY in the market for OGs. Noteboom will slide to LT, I like Edwards at RT and Havenstein at RG, but either way we need at LEAST a very strong LOG and probably both OG spots and that's gonna cost. At the very least, we need a very competent and strong ROG, be it Hav moving in or someone being brought in because that right side A gap is killing us every week. Every. Week.

2) We're in a huge pickle with our DB situation. I think we go after Ramsey at the end of the season (you think the Jags are sorry they didn't take our 1st rounder now?), let both Talib and Peters go and maybe find another man CB. This hybrid zone isn't working. It's making due. I dunno how much money we'll have, but if we let go both Brockers and Fowler, we should have the money to address this.

3) funny enough, our LB situation is pretty solid.

If Snead and Demoff can work out the OG and CB situation and McVay can adjust his system, we'll be fine in the future. Not this year, but the future.

If not, then yesterday's genius will be tomorrow's cautionary tale.

I love McVay, but this league is all about adaptation. Adapt or be swallowed up.

What does this mean for this year?

C-EUKtBVwAEfWki


It's gonna feel like torture while they work it out. Every game is gonna be up and down with more down UNTIL at the very least, we address the schematic issues because defenses are ahead of us. Couple that with weak interior OL play and it's gonna get ugly.

I wanted the EP offense, but know that McVay can and has put tons of points up. That will only continue if we adjust. Adjustments of this magnitude take time.

In the mean time, we'll see more games like this one and the Seattle game. Our D will keep us in games and even give us multiple chances, but like this game, all the chances in the world won't mean anything if our offense is completely nullified.... and right now it is.

I still love this team and will root for them through thick and thin. It's frustrating that it got so thin so quickly, but it is what it is.

The truth is that based on what I see, we're a defensive score from being a 6-10 team. If the D wins a game, we'll be 6-10, otherwise, this is a 5-11 team... maybe one of the most talented in the history of the NFL, but styles make fights and if you got someone who's figured you out and they're committed, you got Buster Douglas KO'ing Mike Tyson.

I'll respond to any questions or posts, but I'll likely try to avoid commenting too much in the vent thread and then I'll take another sabbatical because I've learned that it sorta ruins it when you know the outcome in advance.

Sorry if I spoiled things for anyone.

First and foremost they need DL help. A beat up Niner OL controlled the LOS today. At least the OL struggled playing a very talented Niner DL, while our DL has no excuse. Right now they have Donald and a bunch of back ups.

So really need some explosive playmakers to pair with Donald on the DL. That would be a good start to improve the D.