What is the mystery with Pead?

[CoachO]

No mystery he is a bust

What does that mean? Can you please give me a detailed definition of what the term "bust" means? I never understand why it gets used.

 

[Memphis Ram]

I'd think if special teams work can save Chase Reynolds, it can save Isaiah Pead.

 

[Memento]

It always bothers me when posters make these sort of statements about a player. How can you possibly know that? Are you sitting in the meetings? Have you sat down and had an in depth conversation with said player to form legitimate evaluation to be able to stand by a statement about a player's "mental aspects"?

Why make the statement? I just don't get it!!!!

Pead has been suspended by the NFL before for testing positive on a banned substance. He's been - and probably still is - in the doghouse, since Fisher won't even bother to utilize him. He has been flagged for taunting an opposing player after an opening kickoff touchback. All of those are mental aspects to the game of football.

So before you start yelling at me for making that statement, please consider my point of view, and what I'm seeing. Thank you.

 

[FRO]

In my opinion he lacks the power and vision to be a starting RB. I would like to see him get used as a slot WR. He has good quickness and open field moves. I think if he gets the ball in space he could be effective.

 

[CoachO]

Pead has been suspended by the NFL before for testing positive on a banned substance. He's been - and probably still is - in the doghouse, since Fisher won't even bother to utilize him. He has been flagged for taunting an opposing player after an opening kickoff touchback. All of those are mental aspects to the game of football.

So before you start yelling at me for making that statement, please consider my point of view, and what I'm seeing. Thank you.

I was not pointing to you specifically, and I apologize to you if it seemed that way. I tried to make it a very generalized post responding to your OP.

But even in this reply, you make assumptions as to his "status" in the doghouse, and seem to being making a statement as to whether or not Fisher "won't even bother to utilize him", based on what exactly?

And if you are going to reference his transgressions, then the same sort of things can be made about half this roster in the past 2 seasons, including, Givens/Jenkins benching in SF, Bailey/Dunbar suspension, Armtrong/Bates and all the knuckleheaded penalties on Special Teams throughout the entire season.

And yet, those all just get brushed aside as being part of the game, but when its Isaiah Pead, every mistake gets put under the microscope.

 

[RhodyRams]

I was not pointing to you specifically, and I apologize to you if it seemed that way. I tried to make it a very generalized post responding to your OP.

But even in this reply, you make assumptions as to his "status" in the doghouse, and seem to being making a statement as to whether or not Fisher "won't even bother to utilize him", based on what exactly?

And if you are going to reference his transgressions, then the same sort of things can be made about half this roster in the past 2 seasons, including, Givens/Jenkins benching in SF, Bailey/Dunbar suspension, Armtrong/Bates and all the knuckleheaded penalties on Special Teams throughout the entire season.

And yet, those all just get brushed aside as being part of the game, but when its Isaiah Pead, every mistake gets put under the microscope.

But the other players you mentioned are getting playing time, while Pead is not. That , to me, tells me that the coaching staff is not happy with him, whether it be on the field/off the field transgressions or the effort he is putting in during practice. I believe Pead said himself in an interview this off season that he didnt adjust well to not being the starter, which hurt his game both mentally and physically.

 

[V3]

Not sure why this is such a mystery. When he did get a chance, he didn't perform. Not only did he not perform, he had ball security issues. He may not have had many chances but I'm betting he wasn't showing it in practice, either. If you can't show it in practice, why would a coach trust you in a game? The Rams were trying to trade him during the draft. That gives me a pretty good idea about how much they think of Pead.

 

[Zaphod]

Normally I wouldn't argue, but Stacy had a ton of carries and had a 3.9 avg. So it really depends. I mean you can see the speed and ability he has but for whatever reason he hasn't had enough chances to show it.

That said Pead drives me nuts. I actually loved the pick and from a pure talent standpoint he IMO is #1 on the team. I think he's had some attitude issues that have kept him off the field more. This might be his last chance to impress on this team. I really wish he'd show up like he did in college.

I doubt he has a bad attitude. Fisher actually commended Pead's special teams effort in reference to Richardson last year and his place on the team. That being more of a question of Richardson's role on the team with Stacy and Cunningham's emergence.

In addition to that, you have to consider that he did see time as a third down back last year. It will be interesting for sure. I look forward to an improved role with the team this year for Pead and Quick both.

 

[Memento]

I was not pointing to you specifically, and I apologize to you if it seemed that way. I tried to make it a very generalized post responding to your OP.

But even in this reply, you make assumptions as to his "status" in the doghouse, and seem to being making a statement as to whether or not Fisher "won't even bother to utilize him", based on what exactly?

And if you are going to reference his transgressions, then the same sort of things can be made about half this roster in the past 2 seasons, including, Givens/Jenkins benching in SF, Bailey/Dunbar suspension, Armtrong/Bates and all the knuckleheaded penalties on Special Teams throughout the entire season.

And yet, those all just get brushed aside as being part of the game, but when its Isaiah Pead, every mistake gets put under the microscope.

I make those assumptions based on the fact that Pead really hasn't been used, that he has lost his spot to Richardson, then Stacy, then fell behind Cunningham to the third running back slot, and now the team has drafted yet another running back above him (Mason). And I haven't brushed aside those transgressions; I agree that they were stupid mental mistakes by Givens, Jenkins, Bailey, Dunbar, and all of the special teams players who got taunting penalties. The DUIs by Quinn and Johnson were equally stupid, if not more. I will state that the main difference between Armstrong/Bates/McGee/etc. and Pead is that the latter specifically taunted the opposing returner after a touchback in the opening kickoff. Nobody else on the team did that because there's absolutely no point to it.

 

[bwdenverram]

I doubt he has a bad attitude. Fisher actually commended Pead's special teams effort in reference to Richardson last year and his place on the team. That being more of a question of Richardson's role on the team with Stacy and Cunningham's emergence.

In addition to that, you have to consider that he did see time as a third down back last year. It will be interesting for sure. I look forward to an improved role with the team this year for Pead and Quick both.

I had just heard it was, maybe not attitude, but young stupid things or how he was approaching his "job". Speculating of course, nobody know except the guys in the locker room.
I have a feeling with this new OL we're going to see everyone do better this year. Reality is, if Pead plays anywhere near like he's capable of it only makes the team that much better.
Big IF I guess at this point.

 

[Ramhusker]

Well, Pead, to me, seems to have the tools and probably has some kind of niche on the roster because he is still here and Richardson has hit the road so they like him a little bit. I mean you don't try to trade a player that has no value, you cut him. I get this feeling he surprises this year and we will all be saying, "Can you believe we tried to trade this guy?".

 

[CGI_Ram]

I can't remember where I read it... And lack time to search for it... But I thought there were whispers out of Rams Park that his head is not always on straight. Whatever that means.

But, the Rams actions seem to support it. Lack of carries. Buried time and again on the depth chart. Drafting of Mason.

Where there is smoke, there is fire.

 

[Thordaddy]

It always bothers me when posters make these sort of statements about a player. How can you possibly know that? Are you sitting in the meetings? Have you sat down and had an in depth conversation with said player to form a legitimate evaluation to be able to stand by a statement about a player's "mental aspects"?

Why make the statement? I just don't get it!!!!

Well O getting suspended for drugs was mental, being late for meetings is mental ,when you have to come to the coaches and beg for a shot on special teams they are burying you for a reason,in the end what "bothers you" is a function of your own threshold of tolerance for the opinion of others .
I think there are basically two aspects that keep a player on the sidelines ,physical issues and mental, are his physical abilities questioned AT ALL?

 

[Rambitious1]

Well O getting suspended for drugs was mental, being late for meetings is mental ,when you have to come to the coaches and beg for a shot on special teams they are burying you for a reason,in the end what "bothers you" is a function of your own threshold of tolerance for the opinion of others .
I think there are basically two aspects that keep a player on the sidelines ,physical issues and mental, are his physical abilities questioned AT ALL?

Deductive reasoning......my favorite.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Weren't there reports of a Pead trade during the draft that didn't materialize? If so i'd say that represents definitive evidence that Fisher would rather be done with him.
I'll have to try to find that rumor/news.

 

[Pancake]

Weren't there reports of a Pead trade during the draft that didn't materialize? If so i'd say that represents definitive evidence that Fisher would rather be done with him.
I'll have to try to find that rumor/news.

Yes. I remember reading them also.

 

[Mojo Ram]

CBS sports via Bleacher report, so it may or may not hold water.

May 15, 2014 2:35 pm
Trade winds blowing around Isaiah Pead?
by Dave Richard | Senior Fantasy Writer
Rams running back Isaiah Pead's name was involved in some trade discussionsduring the weekend of the draft, Bleacher Report noted this week. Pead has seemingly fallen out of favor in St. Louis after Zac Stacy thrived as a rookie. The team also added running back Tre Mason in the draft.

Pead has 17 career carries for 75 yards and 14 catches for 94 total yards. He has yet to score and has only one NFL start since getting drafted in Round 2 of the 2012 draft.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1621321/isaiah-pead

 

[Bluesy]

Hasn't he had some fumble issues in the preseason? And I'm pretty sure he's had fumble issues as a special teams returner, no?

 

[…..]

It always bothers me when posters make these sort of statements about a player. How can you possibly know that? Are you sitting in the meetings? Have you sat down and had an in depth conversation with said player to form a legitimate evaluation to be able to stand by a statement about a player's "mental aspects"?

Why make the statement? I just don't get it!!!!

If I may....wasnt Pead questioning his own will to play at times? If so, he is not mentally stable in his desire to play. So in this case, maybe the statement has some validity.