What I would give for o line talent.

[RamFan503]

I would trade Long for Hughes in a heartbeat. Hughes is NFL top 100 material. Long isn't.

Possibly given their system but not in ours. He would get blown up on running plays to his side without an ILB and OLB behind him. He is mainly a pass rushing specialist. Chris was injured most of last year but in years prior, has similar numbers as Hughes with better all around play. Hughes didn't fit in Indy's system and could hardly see the field his first three years. Different systems require different players. If you are asking if I would trade for Hughes to plug in as our new RDE in our system, I'd say hell no. Long is far better. If we switched to a 3-4 then maybe but I'd still like to see what Chris would do in the role of pass rushing specialist.

Bottom line is that you are trying to say we could trade CL and JL for upgrades. And I'm saying those upgrades are very hard to find and simply not available. Drafting one or both? That's a possibility but never a sure thing.

So given the reality of the situation, trading away JL and/or CL from THIS team would IMO be a huge mistake. I'm for anything that would actually improve the team. Sure I have players I like and would be sad to see go. But for me it is about the horns.

 

[RamFan503]

Guys, I know we had a dam good opportunity to be the best team in the NFC, but please dick punch yourselves just for the sake of moping like a bunch of ninnies. Seriously, am I one of the few Ram fans that didn't take that loss hard? Maybe I just coped better.

And what's all this about slaying our OL and WR's??? Season is not over. In fact it's not even half over. Don't you think, just maybe, they have some time to get it ironed out?????? No??? Then continue.

Y'know... I never take losses easy but I didn't take that loss very hard. If we had stunk it up, I would have. This thing is far from over and our WRs are far from crap too. I just personally don't like the effort I'm seeing out of Cook and Britt. And with Britt, that has really been his knock all along. Top flight talent that can't keep his head straight.

I see some weaknesses in our O-line but don't see it for lack of effort. We all could be overanalyzing things. But that is kind of what fans do. While many want to see our offense improve, I don't see many here throwing in the towel either. So you may want to save your "moping like a bunch of ninnies" comment for someone else.

 

[NateDawg122]

BTW - as with all high draft choices of the Rams, I looked at everything I could get my hands on as far as tape on Tree. So yeah - I watched that tape as well as several other games like the Georgia Tech game where he was getting blown out of the middle on several plays. It didn't mean I didn't like him as a player - just that he wasn't showing he was very stout inside.

When you're watching college footage of Ogletree always keep in mind that he was about 15 pounds lighter back then. He also had a nagging shoulder injury that he sucked up and played with his last year. That's why you will see him throwing one shoulder at a blocker. Watch his play by play breakdown against Bama and know that he was up against one of the best O-lines in CFB history.

 

[SuperMan28]

Y'know... I never take losses easy but I didn't take that loss very hard. If we had stunk it up, I would have. This thing is far from over and our WRs are far from crap too. I just personally don't like the effort I'm seeing out of Cook and Britt. And with Britt, that has really been his knock all along. Top flight talent that can't keep his head straight.

I see some weaknesses in our O-line but don't see it for lack of effort. We all could be overanalyzing things. But that is kind of what fans do. While many want to see our offense improve, I don't see many here throwing in the towel either. So you may want to save your "moping like a bunch of ninnies" comment for someone else.

Sorry if that came off brash. I just think this team is gonna put a nice run together. We got the Browns, Niners, Vikings, Bears, and Ravens next. There is no good reason, besides key injury(multiple) that we lose one of those games. Four out of the first five opponents were really tough but that's not the case for the next five. So I'm really excited about where this team is heading. I think we'll be one of the most feared teams in the league very shortly.

 

[RamFan503]

Sorry if that came off brash. I just think this team is gonna put a nice run together. We got the Browns, Niners, Vikings, Bears, and Ravens next. There is no good reason, besides key injury(multiple) that we lose one of those games. Four out of the first five opponents were really tough but that's not the case for the next five. So I'm really excited about where this team is heading. I think we'll be one of the most feared teams in the league very shortly.

Agreed.

 

[RamzFanz]

Guys, I know we had a dam good opportunity to be the best team in the NFC, but please dick punch yourselves just for the sake of moping like a bunch of ninnies. Seriously, am I one of the few Ram fans that didn't take that loss hard? Maybe I just coped better.

And what's all this about slaying our OL and WR's??? Season is not over. In fact it's not even half over. Don't you think, just maybe, they have some time to get it ironed out?????? No??? Then continue.

I agree completely except I'm not sure the o-line is an iron it out issue. I think they need options.

 

[RamFan503]

When you're watching college footage of Ogletree always keep in mind that he was about 15 pounds lighter back then. He also had a nagging shoulder injury that he sucked up and played with his last year. That's why you will see him throwing one shoulder at a blocker. Watch his play by play breakdown against Bama and know that he was up against one of the best O-lines in CFB history.

Wow - Really? What are you looking at? The one play? That was a perfect example of what I am talking about. Tree gets blown up in the middle by linemen and RBs, has trouble getting off blocks, is constantly being washed out of the play, and misses several tackles. He does however get to the outside quickly on some end runs and has the big splash play. That is not a MLB or for that matter, a NFL ILB.

Anyone else watch this video and come up with anything different? I'm a big time Tree fan so I don't want to belittle his game. But what you are trying to assert is just not there. Watch it again - and I mean EVERY play. On a couple plays, he is flat out blown backward several yards and forced to just watch the play. He is flat out not very good at the point of contact or at stuffing the hole. Your video is a perfect example and is why he would be a liability as a MLB.

 

[NateDawg122]

Wow - Really? What are you looking at? The one play? That was a perfect example of what I am talking about. Tree gets blown up in the middle by linemen and RBs, has trouble getting off blocks, is constantly being washed out of the play, and misses several tackles. He does however get to the outside quickly on some end runs and has the big splash play. That is not a MLB or for that matter, a NFL ILB.

Anyone else watch this video and come up with anything different? I'm a big time Tree fan so I don't want to belittle his game. But what you are trying to assert is just not there. Watch it again - and I mean EVERY play. On a couple plays, he is flat out blown backward several yards and forced to just watch the play. He is flat out not very good at the point of contact or at stuffing the hole. Your video is a perfect example and is why he would be a liability as a MLB.

Yes, I saw every play. I've watched the entire game multiple times. I see a linebacker who weighed 230 pounds at the time getting engaged downfield by NFL lineman. I think you underestimate the difference 15 pounds of muscle makes on a linebacker. And do you expect him to blow up a Guard and make the tackle on every play? Look at what that same Bama O-line did to Manti Te'O in the NC game, they destroyed him. Yet he's turned out to be a good MLB at the pro level. You never saw Te'O taking on Lacy and Yeldon like that either. Cut the dude some slack.

 

[RamFan503]

Yes, I saw every play. I've watched the entire game multiple times. I see a linebacker who weighed 230 pounds at the time getting engaged downfield by NFL lineman. I think you underestimate the difference 15 pounds of muscle makes on a linebacker. And do you expect him to blow up a Guard and make the tackle on every play? Look at what that same Bama O-line did to Manti Te'O in the NC game, they destroyed him. Yet he's turned out to be a good MLB at the pro level. You never saw Te'O taking on Lacy and Yeldon like that either. Cut the dude some slack.

It's not a matter of cutting Alec some slack. I REALLY like the player as an OLB, But it's not like Bama's two NFL linemen were the only ones shoving him around. As I said, he got shoved around by the GTECH linemen as well. He is ultra fast for a LB and can make plays that JL could only dream of. But he is not a MLB and has never been considered a MLB prospect. He is simply not good at shedding linemen, nor is he good at filling gaps at the point of attack.

Tree entered the draft at 242 pounds to JL's 244. I'm not sure where you are coming up with this 15 pounds of muscle he has gained. Yet go watch tape on JL with Ohio State. You won't see him getting blown back. Rather, you will see a true MLB. It is just a completely different skill set.

And as far as Manti goes, he is a middling LILB that has about as many career sacks and tackles as JL averages in a season. Quite frankly, he couldn't hold Tree's OR JL's jock.

 

[fastcat]

This^^^ ALL of this.


Um... no. Dunbar has never overshadowed JL's performance and Tree came on to lead in tackles but he plays a completely different LB position. I'm ok with Tree being more talented potentially. That doesn't mean JL is a problem. And though I hate this fact, where is Tree now? Tree has not exactly been the poster child for staying healthy. I love his aggression and play for the most part but thinking he has surpassed JL in overall play IMO is a mistake. JL had a bad game against WA. I think we all saw that. Not a whole lot of players had a good game that day.

But he had a pretty good opener and has played really well the last two games. Being that no one played very well in the WA game besides maybe Tree, I find it hard to single out the guy with the most on his plate as the one to get rid of.


Overshadowed? Proof? Name a team where BOTH DEs get to the QB more. Our DEs have combined for 6 sacks and I believe that is the most among DEs in the entire league. He is a key part in a defense that has held some pretty damn good offenses to just a few TDs this season. He's not a stat magnet but he is a vital cog in that defense.


Please. How many times have we seen pre-season studs turn out to be nothing more than role players. If Hager can unseat JL then fine. But thinking because he played well against players that are sitting at home watching the games like the rest of us has never been a very good gauge of the value of a player in reality.

Well to answer a few of your ?s both players are overshadowed by guys that sit in the same meeting g room with them at their positions tree>jl55, cl <donald, quinn, and arguably haynes. And I didn't say Hager was the future I said he MAY be but even so I bet we draft jl55s replacement this year. And dunbar 1st year here he wS everywhere on the field and laying people out. He passed the eye test in the run but couldn't cover. He was making more splash plays than jl thats how he overshadowed him... idk about his stats but the eye test he passed. And someone said I Said jl was trash... lol, no I said he was average. How do you guys read things and turn simple words into something that was never said when it is right in front of you in black and white??

And someone talk about Bradford and chip Kelly trading foles or something but it takes 2 guys to make a trade so it wasn't ALL chip Kelly getting rid of foles

 

[BonifayRam]

Saffold has been very disappointing overall but he very well could be damaged goods. He injured his other shoulder in the first series in the first pre season game....he missed basically the entire 2015 pre season. His play at ORG has been nowhere close to what it was late in 2013 season. I have not see anything wonderful coming out of that ORG post yet.

I do not want to make changes yet but Robinson needs to step it up in pass protection assignments. He is no rookie like the other two. If I were to be forced into change it would be Saffold moved back to the OLT post with GRob moving inside. Brown back to ORG post where he looked good early on. Saffold is the better pass protector we have at OLT.

I have no issues with Brown or Havenstein period.

 

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To me the OL is the one area that will without doubt only get better. This is truly a "reps" issue.

We all knew and EXPECTED this offensive line to have a few bumps in the road. Trying to rebuild it on the fly would be counter productive. There comes a time when you stop tinkering and just go with your plan. I believe we are at that point and I'm sure the linemen and staff are working their asses off during the bye weeks extra practice time.

 

[…..]

Last night I saw Barksdale almost get arrested for being an accessory to P. Rivers demise out there.

I watched Barksdale a lot and I thought he did a pretty good job, even after moving over to the left side....

 

[NateDawg122]

It's not a matter of cutting Alec some slack. I REALLY like the player as an OLB, But it's not like Bama's two NFL linemen were the only ones shoving him around. As I said, he got shoved around by the GTECH linemen as well. He is ultra fast for a LB and can make plays that JL could only dream of. But he is not a MLB and has never been considered a MLB prospect. He is simply not good at shedding linemen, nor is he good at filling gaps at the point of attack.

Tree entered the draft at 242 pounds to JL's 244. I'm not sure where you are coming up with this 15 pounds of muscle he has gained. Yet go watch tape on JL with Ohio State. You won't see him getting blown back. Rather, you will see a true MLB. It is just a completely different skill set.

And as far as Manti goes, he is a middling LILB that has about as many career sacks and tackles as JL averages in a season. Quite frankly, he couldn't hold Tree's OR JL's jock.

We'll just agree to disagree. I think Ogletree would be fine at MLB but I understand the logic of keeping hI'm on the outside. As far as his weight goes he put on muscle for the combine. He was listed at 230-232 pounds on the UGA roster. I think he clearly looks bigger now.

 

[GoldenAges]

I think this could be a really good OL soon if these guys gel as a unit. One of my favorite linemen in the draft was Jamon Brown. Here he goes up against Clay Matthews 1v1 in a run blocking situation.

This is a 11 yard run play to Gurley on 1st and 10 from the 20. As you can see below Matthews (52) is trying to shoot the gap between Brown (68) and the center. Notice where they are on the field in regards to the hashes.

In the snap below you can see Brown get in front of Matthews and getting engage him directly centered between the hash marks.

Brown gets up under his pads and drives him beyond the hashmarks. Look how far away he has driven Matthews from the original point of contact in between the hashes.

As you see below this play is already over for Brown and Matthews but is just heating up for Gurley and Grob. Gurley is trying to fit in the tightest of holes. He absolutely needs Grob to take out the DT and the TE needs to hold his block on the DE.

Below is the last snap of this play. Grob pancaked the DT and the TE held his block on the DE. Gurley hit the hole hard and got into the open field. It was a good 11 yard pickup against the Packers defense. I thought the young offensive linemen played very good in the run game against a tough defense.

 

[RamFan503]

We'll just agree to disagree. I think Ogletree would be fine at MLB but I understand the logic of keeping hI'm on the outside. As far as his weight goes he put on muscle for the combine. He was listed at 230-232 pounds on the UGA roster. I think he clearly looks bigger now.

It's cool man. Just so you know though, I really do like Tree. I think he's a total stud. I think he could probably be a very good ILB in a 3-4 but for this team, I think JL is the better MLB. JL is doing pretty much the same thing he did in college. I know some don't view him as all that good but there seriously are only a few in the league that might be better as true MLBs. I would certainly like him to be a little faster. It's just that there aren't a lot of them available and my only goal would be to improve the entire team. We need Tree to be more of a freelancer in my opinion. But who knows? There may come a time when Tree gets called upon to play MLB and we can both see.

Cheers man.

 

[Rmfnlt]

I think we'll be one of the most feared teams in the league very shortly.

I think we already are.

Just have to:
1] Get more creative on offense
2] Finish off opponents.

 

[RamzFanz]

I started this thread as a joke. 100 posts later, it's still at the top of the board. :yess: