What did the Rams pass on in the draft when they traded for Ramsey in 2019?

[Merlin]

Cool topic idea.

 

[Loyal]

"OH NO YOU DINT!"
~ @Loyal

"We got the Tutu! I got his game worn jersey, but it's a little tight on me..." ~ Merlin

 

[dieterbrock]

Except that Ramsey was not responsible for the SB win. He got toasted by Chase in the SB. Had Aaron Donald not forced the errant pass into the ground from Burroughs at the end, Chase had beaten Ramsey for a game winning TD.

You have to get to a SB in order to win it

 

[Tano]

You have to get to a SB in order to win it

Thing is - Ramsey did not get beat on that last play.

He looked back and saw Donald was wrapping up the QB and was trying to leap in the air in celebration and fell down.

It did look stupid though.

 

[dieterbrock]

Thing is - Ramsey did not get beat on that last play.

He looked back and saw Donald was wrapping up the QB and was trying to leap in the air in celebration and fell down.

It did look stupid though.

Im not even going to get in to it about that. Which I totally agree with you btw. Ramsey was huge for the team and where Stafford was the upgrade they needed to win on the O side, Ramsey was an upgrade they needed on the D.
I just dont need to get in to the semantics on a single play when they had to get to that moment in the first place

 

[gogoat1]

Well, it sure seems McSnead is better at drafting these days than they were back then. They have hit their stride as far as evaluating and drafting players. Gong are the measurables , potential, projects garbage of the Fisher era.
Drafting people who just love the game, hard working with their heads screwed on straight matters almost as much as the physical gifts to this bunch.
I doubt the Rams would give up two 1sts for any CB from here on out. Just draft one.
Oh, and we did sell out for that Super Bowl. Got it too !
The price we paid sure does not seem to hurt us much long term. One bad year with no big rebuild. WE ARE BACK !!!
We have the best GM and coach combo in the game.

 

[Pupped]

Did the Rams win a Super Bowl with Ramsey being a huge contributor to the team?

Yes.

There are always costs associated with big decisions... but the only reward that really matters is becoming the Champion.

Would the Rams do it again? No idea.. before you make any assumption... remember how much they used to trade up for Fiske. They're still aggressive.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Yes, I used Grok3 AI to gather some data.

I hope their GM wasn't the brains of the Rams scouting staff! Guys used to say that Brad Holmes was the brains, and the Rams would miss him, but that was before the Rams drafted Kobie Turner, Puka Nacua, Jared Verse, Braden Fiske, and a few others.

Holmes was integral. And the Rams had their share of draft misses. A few years ago the Rams made changes to their evaluation system. They revamped their draft system. One thing they did was focus more on love of the game and not just relying on RAS. Another change was focusing on leadership skills. They had a test created by a successful Wall Street businessman. This all coincided with the last three drafts, two of which were very successful. The third is not known yet.

Supposedly the Rams are doing the same thing with their Pro personnel department, due to lack of success in free agency.

 

[bubbaramfan]

Shoulda, woulda, coulda.
Water under the bridge.

 

[dieterbrock]

Shoulda, woulda, coulda.
Water under the bridge.

Shoulda, woulda, couda, and DID THAT!!

 

[RamFan503]

Why can't they just say, "we blew it"?

So every team is going to say that? Because every team has blown it - and a lot more than us lately.

 

[RamFan503]

Small coat"We got the Tutu! I got his game worn jersey, but it's a little tight on me..." ~ Merlin

 

[RhodyRams]

So every team is going to say that? Because every team has blown it - and a lot more than us lately.

pretty sure he was referring to the refs

 

[RamFan503]

Did the Rams win a Super Bowl with Ramsey being a huge contributor to the team?

Yes.

There are always costs associated with big decisions... but the only reward that really matters is becoming the Champion.

Would the Rams do it again? No idea.. before you make any assumption... remember how much they used to trade up for Fiske. They're still aggressive.

I still don’t understand this logic. And I think I get that you’re saying it didn’t hurt them to be aggressive. So they gave up a next year 2nd? They clearly wanted Fiske and were proven right.

I too hope they don’t go crazy going after Ramsey, but if they do, I think that’s a sign they believe he’s the component that puts them over the top.

If so, I think we’ll see another move or two to go “all in”.

This time though, I think they have enough of a core that we just keep rolling with a competitive team.

I remember when Stan took over, he talked about having a team consistently in the hunt. Many said that meant we would always be the brides maid and not the bride. But I think the Rams are Stan’s crown jewel. He wants Championships. And I think he’s willing to let his people do whatever it takes. Will we blow it at times? Probably. Will he let it ride if the key operators let us go to mediocrity? I don’t think so.

Until and if that happens, enjoy the ride because I think Stan wants the Rams to be the biggest thing in LA.

 

[RamFan503]

pretty sure he was referring to the refs

Ah right.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Coulda woulda.

Snead isn't infallible. The Rams could have missed on both those selections and perhaps the Super Bowl.

 

[PARAM]

On the contrary, they did win with him.
What cant be proven is that the could have won without him
Aaron Donald was taken with the 13th pick.
There are 12 teams saying "what if we took Aaron Donald instead of __________"
The what if game is fun and all but is always one sided

My question is how many of those players the Rams "could have had" have played in a Super Bowl? Higgins, Humphrey ( who they could have had even with the Ramsey trade) and who else? They made the trade and he paid the desired dividends.

 

[Pupped]

I still don’t understand this logic. And I think I get that you’re saying it didn’t hurt them to be aggressive. So they gave up a next year 2nd? They clearly wanted Fiske and were proven right.

I too hope they don’t go crazy going after Ramsey, but if they do, I think that’s a sign they believe he’s the component that puts them over the top.

If so, I think we’ll see another move or two to go “all in”.

This time though, I think they have enough of a core that we just keep rolling with a competitive team.

I remember when Stan took over, he talked about having a team consistently in the hunt. Many said that meant we would always be the brides maid and not the bride. But I think the Rams are Stan’s crown jewel. He wants Championships. And I think he’s willing to let his people do whatever it takes. Will we blow it at times? Probably. Will he let it ride if the key operators let us go to mediocrity? I don’t think so.

Until and if that happens, enjoy the ride because I think Stan wants the Rams to be the biggest thing in LA.

My point was that I wouldn’t assume they will NOT be aggressive with draft pick trades.

 

[WarlordJC]

Holmes was integral. And the Rams had their share of draft misses. A few years ago the Rams made changes to their evaluation system. They revamped their draft system. One thing they did was focus more on love of the game and not just relying on RAS. Another change was focusing on leadership skills. They had a test created by a successful Wall Street businessman. This all coincided with the last three drafts, two of which were very successful. The third is not known yet.

Supposedly the Rams are doing the same thing with their Pro personnel department, due to lack of success in free agency.

I don't know if Holmes was integral. The drafts after he left have been much better. Look, Snead is the GM, and he's ultimately responsible for every player drafted under him, so he's responsible for every single pick the Rams made when Holmes was there--but there's no evidence that Holmes made the Rams' drafting better.

Yeah, smart of them to drop RAS--total failure.

My take is that the Rams love guys who do well in Senior Bowl practices--and other similar bowls and practice weeks. Also, as you said, they value guys who love the game, and the final thing is that NOW they love guys who go from small schools to bigger schools and keep improving, despite the step up in competition.

I agree that their choices in free agency have been below average up to now. They NAILED it with Whitworth and Woods--very early--but have missed on most other signings since then.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I don't know if Holmes was integral. The drafts after he left have been much better. Look, Snead is the GM, and he's ultimately responsible for every player drafted under him, so he's responsible for every single pick the Rams made when Holmes was there--but there's no evidence that Holmes made the Rams' drafting better.

Yeah, smart of them to drop RAS--total failure.

My take is that the Rams love guys who do well in Senior Bowl practices--and other similar bowls and practice weeks. Also, as you said, they value guys who love the game, and the final thing is that NOW they love guys who go from small schools to bigger schools and keep improving, despite the step up in competition.

I agree that their choices in free agency have been below average up to now. They NAILED it with Whitworth and Woods--very early--but have missed on most other signings since then.

I recall Holmes being credited for a few of the good picks. But know ultimately Les is the GM, but he relies on his scouts. He relies on the coaches. Ir seems to be a real team effort, just like on the field. Everyone plays a part.