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That's right Rams fans, we are back with our tradition of checking out what opposing fans are saying about their upcoming game against our beloved team. We kick off the 2017 season with the Colts.

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Week One Colts vs. Rams Prediction Thread

http://forums.colts.com/topic/53510-week-one-colts-vs-rams-prediction-thread/

I want the Colts to win but I have a hard time thinking Tolzein will do much against that defense.

I'll say Rams win 21-17. I think it'll be an ugly game with not a whole lot of scoring.
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If the d can contain Gurley, I think we win. Low scoring game I'm guessing
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I think it will be low scoring, but if we can contain their run game I think we pull out a win. I wouldn't be surprised to see Brisset on a couple two minute drives. He did really well running up-tempo in NE.
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It's going to be awful. I think we score 1 Rushing TD and Vinny kicks a field goal.

17-10 Rams
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Colts fight valiantly but ultimately fall short. I'll go Rams 17-13.
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Rams 11 - Colts 3
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31-10, Rams, courtesy of multiple TOs.
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Hard to really predict this one... I guess I will be the cockeyed optimist and say Colts squeak one out 20 to 17.
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I think the Colts keep it close for 3ish quarters, but the Rams do a better job keeping the chains moving and extending drives, which will eventually lead to LA pulling ahead by way to much in the fourth quarter. I just don't see the Colts doing a good job keeping drives moving.

Rams win 27-10.
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Colts go into half time, trailing 42-0, Luck gets so mad, he knocks out Pagano, grabs a helmet runs out the field to start the third quarter. Then plays MLB on Defense cause he doesn't hold anything back, Colts tie the game with 11 seconds left in the 4th, they kick an onside kick, recover it, Luck throw a beautiful 44 yd TD as time expires to The Ghost, Colts win 48-42.

Hey a man can dream right?
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Colts - 3

Rams - More than 3
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I believe the Colt win the turnover battle and the game.

Colts 20 - Rams 10
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Colts 16 Rams 13

Marlon Mack rush TD + 3 Vinatieri FG
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20-3 Rams
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Week 1's suck honestly. We have zero reference on how good or bad we are.

I wouldn't be shocked with a 13-10 win or a 28-7 loss.
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With our inexperienced defense and the improvement Jared Goff made from last year, I can see the Rams putting up plenty of points.
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This game seems winnable on the surface, but the Rams defense is still strong without Aaron Donald, and Gurley is their strong offensive weapon which also is against our defensive weakness. I think Gurley scores two tds on us and Goff does just enough to keep us off the field along with the defense. Just don't see Tolzien working any magic this game. Gore or Mack gets us a td, but it's not enough and we lose 24-10.

We may win a game with Tolzien, but this one isn't it.
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It'll be an ugly game. The Rams O won't be able to get going. Their D will stop the Colts Offense. It comes down to whose offense can suck less.
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I honestly think the only QB or RB that will get going is Gurley, and they'll wear us out in the run game and break us down. It'll be an ugly game, but I expect something like what the Titans try and do to us in the run game, except we are in much worse shape this time.
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Rams in a Blowout.
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24-10 Rams
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Rams 45, Colts 0
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Rams 20, Colts 6
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Colts get 3 turnovers (one of which is returned for a TD by Wilson). One comes at the end of the game with John Simon smashing Goff into the dirt, the ball comes loose and Farley gets it to close out the game.

Colts win 20-13.
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Jared Goff hasnt gotten better he only really have 2 weapons watkins and gurley tbh
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You're not watching the preseason then. He has a lot of chemistry with Connor Kupp as well. Remember that name for week 1.

And when the Rams score on the first possession and everybody is surprised and blaming Pagano, remember this post.
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Colts win 3-2 on a last second field goal by AV.
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Slow their run game & make our run game work- Colts 17-14 .... then again Gurley runs over us like ants and Tolzien can't complete a pass more than 7 yards- Rams 31-10
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Rams 27 Colts 6.
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Colts 10 Rams 45.Three tolzien ints one of which is a pick six. Strip sack recovery for td by rams. Fumble recovery from Matt Jones
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Rams....23-6
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We're fixing to lose to a 30 year old coach.. who will immediately tweet #NFLhistorymade after the game.
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I'm guessing 21-10 Colts. TY is going to use this game to show that he's not reliant on Luck. I think he gets 120 rec with 2tds
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I love that because Tolzein is starting at QB so many people on here are predicting we get smashed by a Rams team who is not any better. Saying we will allow some obscene amount of points when there offense is no better. There D is pretty solid but we will still be able to move the ball. This forum has shown me the large sum of fair weather fans in Indy....and it is sad!

It will be an all-around slow offensive game with the FG becoming everything. IMO we win 12-10.
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Indy wins, but will have trouble keeping Gurley contained. The difference will be a Vinatieri field goal.
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Colts win 24-17.... I don't see the Colts losing this game, I see the defense keeping them in this game and the offense finally stepping up and scoring some points late in the second half.
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Rams 20-6.
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The Colts best player is out.

The Rams best player is out.

This is a toss up for me. I think I would pick Colts if Vontae was healthy. We should definitely be able to move the ball w/o that wrecking ball in the middle for the Rams. This may be drudge fest. Something like 12-9.
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I think our defense will score a TD against a struggling Rams offense. Todd Gurley will be contained in the first half, but will score at least twice during the game. Tolzien will suprise, throwing a TD and no interceptions. Frank Gore will rush for a TD in the first quarter, and another back(Mack, Turbin, or Matt Jones) will score at some point in the game.

Vinny misses a pat, but nails a 43 yarder.

Final:

Rams: 17

Colts: 30
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This is likely to be our worst game of the year. No Luck, No Kelly, No Vontae, No Geathers, and we have to go into enemy territory on the west coast with a bunch of backups... I'd like to be optimistic, and if the game were in Indy, I would be optimistic. But I think the Rams come out strong for their home opener and win 27-16.

Not the worst thing in the world. The Colts could probably use a good punch in the mouth to start the season, like Luck needs to get hit at the beginning of a game to get into "game-mode". Losing bad to an average Rams team should be a good wake-up-call.

Of course winning without Luck, Kelly, etc. would be a huge win for this team, and a wake-up-call for all the tankers that would rather have a high draft pick next year than go for glory this year. I would be thrilled with a 16-13 win over LA.
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Rams 24 - Colts 10

Pagano foolishly sticks with Tolzien who can't move the ball and turns it over at least 2 times but manages to get them into FG range once.

Because of turnovers and sheer number of 3 and outs the Rams are able to score 3 TD's and a FG.

AT the end of the game playing against a prevent defense Brissett goes into the game and leads a late drive for a TD. Too little too late.
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Colts win 16-10. While Indy's defense doesn't have Geathers or Davis out there, the defense will show improvement and get 1 or even 2 timely turnovers. The offense will see Moncrief and Hilton carry a bulk of the load while Mack gets some good runs. Hope I'm right.
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Ram 24 Colts 9. I'd be absolutely shocked if Tolzien won. I know the Rams aren't world beaters but there home and I think they are the superior team with Luck and Davis not playing. I'd absolutely love to be proven wrong.
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The last time these two teams met, the Rams blasted the Colts. For as long ago as that was, a lot of why that game went the way it did (who can run and stop the run- and Tavon Austin being fast..) hasn't changed as much as we'd expect.

I think the Colts can win a low scoring game, but I'd save my money on a bet..

My gut.

Rams 24
Colts 13
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no Aaron Donald= no pass rush smallish D weak vs run Gore/Mack could do some damage. I could write a book on Goff..total bust

doesn't feel pass rush, small hands, (fumbles, wounded ducks) bad decisions..in preseason game 3 basically benched after 2 series when he should of played 3 quarters.and starters basically didn't play in preseason so will be very rusty. Below avg cb's and safeties wo will be exposed if oline give wr's time. also Rams have slow cb's who will struggle vs speed

do a draft site and thought Hooker had to play in a simple defense best in a Seattle one deep zone. Not sure what you guys run. Rams traded for Watkins and Woods and drafted Kupp and McVay calls a good game as HC/OC. Gurley been a 18 game bust for the Rams and barely played in preseason and didn't show much when he did. .

IMO best coaches will win. more winnable then many of you think Run the ball and pressure Goff...he will turn the ball over and hope Mcvay doesn't get into a play calling rhythm..Kid is good.
 

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Colts fans are pretty smart. A few dumbasses that know nothing about the Rams. But most realize how trash their team is right now.
 

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I love this guy:
"Colts - 3
Rams - More than 3"

Though I don't have much faith that we will win. Both teams are lacking on both sides of the ball. It will turn ugly for one team and will snowball. Blowout, yes, but by which team???
 

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I've seen many ROD members freak up player names from our own team.

So I'll give opposing fans a little slack on this.
Seriously. What's so hard about Hoomanawanui or Tinoisamoa?
 

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Our offense will move the ball. Where I look to see Goff thrive is his red zone throws. Let's look to see a team that can get within a reasonable Greg the Leg zone but also convert Td's at a high clip.
 

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Football is indeed back, LET'S GO BABEH!! Btw love these weekly threads!!

Yes, having AD out will suck, but if our Defense can show some sort of fluidity with all our starters being out during the preseason, plus a an offense that shows promise by stringing consecutive drives, we will CRUSH them.
 

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Jared Goff hasnt gotten better he only really have 2 weapons watkins and gurley tbh
And he knows this how? Oh yeah, by listening to all the "knowledgeable" pundits spewing their "knowledge" on the tele.
 

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Where do some Colts fans get off thinking their defense is literally anything special even at full strength? What's changed for them since last year? If we can't score against them, we might as well quit on the season. They're trash. Rams 27-6.
 

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https://www.stampedeblue.com/2017/9...la-rams-offense-will-sean-mcvay-bring-a-spark

2017 Colts Opponent Scouting Report: LA Rams Offense - Will Sean McVay Bring a Spark?
by Chris Shepherd

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Overview
On September 10, 2017 the Indianapolis Colts travel to the City of Angels to take on the Rams. In this week one match up I sought to understand our opponent and get a better idea for what we’re up against. The Rams have a new coaching staff and the team is stocked with high draft picks from years past. These aren’t the same Rams that we played in 2013 and hopefully the outcome is a little different this time too. Let’s learn more about the new look Rams.

Sean McVay’s Scheme
In looking at what system new Rams head coach Sean McVay had used previously, I decided I wouldn’t reinvent the wheel. Much has been written about his brand of offense, QBKlass over at Turf Show Times has delved into the Rams new scheme and I’ll give you the cliff notes (because I know you aren’t clicking that link, but you should because there’s a ton of great info in there).

McVay likes to stretch the field vertically. If executed well enough, the vertical game will open up room underneath for easier throws in that area, and it will soften up the box for the running back.

...Three or four verticals is the simplest way to attack down the field... McVay adds two interesting twists to this tried and true concept in this clip, one to the strong side and one to the weak side.

...the outside receiver takes an inside release to his vertical stem, then breaks off into a ‘dig’ (deep-in) route over the heart of the field. With the deep safety focused on the vertical routes, that ‘dig’ route is a 1-on-1 battle unless one of the underneath defenders drops deep...

Linebacker Damien Wilson, who showed blitz off the left edge before the snap, trotted back into coverage after the snap. Normally, Wilson would have gained more depth that he did and drifted toward the middle of the field or followed the running back out of the backfield, but the Washington receiver running a shallow crosser distracted Wilson and got him to bite forward.
- QBKlass

So what does that mean? Sean McVay likes vertical passing concepts (often with trips on one side or the other) and uses various concepts to manipulate the defense into leaving someone open, based on the defensive look (Further reading on a few concepts you might see: Dagger, Mills, Four Verts, NCAA, Sail .

In the clip provided above(click the link above and scroll down), watch the RB come out of the backfield. If Cousins sees him, he has 20 yards of open space before needing to make someone miss, but that wasn’t Cousins first missed read on the play.

The receiver running the deep-in comes open against 1-on-1 coverage but Kirk Cousins thought the guy with three defenders within 5 yards of him was probably the best option. If the GM of the Washington Redskins ever watches film (he does), plays like this are why they haven’t committed big money to him.

In my study of Sean McVay’s scheme one thing keeps jumping out: in the NFL this system is as close to a true spread offense as it gets. When looking at the deep vertical passing concepts that were drawn up for Kirk Cousins, it’s no wonder he threw for almost 5,000 yards last year. It’s also not surprising that Sean McVay became the youngest head coach in NFL history.

Any quarterback with NFL caliber arm strength, accuracy and protection is going to feast in this scheme. So now the question becomes; does the top pick in the 2015 draft have those abilities?

Jared Goff. Does he suck?
The narrative around Jared Goff is that he isn’t very good. So I began my journey, expecting to watch a lot of really bad QB play. I started with two games from last season and then the 3rd preseason game of 2017.

  • Goff throws a pick:
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It’s impossible to know exactly what happened here. At first glance it looks as if it’s just a really bad pass on an out-route, but when you break it down, it seems more like someone made a bad read on an option route. It appears that Goff reads zone and the TE reads man coverage. If this is what happened, this pick is absolutely Goff’s fault as the Cardinals were in man-to-man.

  • Goff gets sacked:
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This was a nicely timed delayed blitz by the ILB. He didn’t finish the sack but he was there an instant after Goff reached the top of his drop. This was pretty common for Goff in his rookie year. I noticed he often had to evade defenders before trying to make something happen. Another example:

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Another note about the Rams struggle to protect their young quarterback, Jared Goff is a much better athlete than I thought he was. No one is going to confuse him for Cam Newton, but his athleticism reminds me a lot of Alex Smith. In his rookie season when he faced pressure he often took his eyes off of his receivers downfield and looked to run. This is something that a lot of young QB’s struggle with early on, Goff is no exception.
  • Goff Touchdown:
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In this clip you see a well executed run-action pass. This play was designed to get the TE open after working through the 2nd level defenders looking to make a tackle on Todd Gurley. The TE ran a great route and the defenders bit like they were supposed to. Goff was throwing to that TE either way but he made an accurate throw to the planned target.

Thus far we’ve only looked at Goff’s rookie year, but with a new scheme and a year of NFL life under his belt, Jared Goff may have improved.

  • Goff progresses through reads:
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I’ll admit I’m not giving you the best clip here, but one thing to notice is how Goff scans the left side of the field before turning to the right to find the open man.

  • Goff facing pressure, keeps his eyes downfield, takes easy yards:
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This is a departure from his 2016 tape. Goff moved well in the pocket to avoid the rush, kept his eyes downfield and then made a safe, smart throw to pick up the first down.

  • Goff takes a hit:
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I would criticize the offensive line, but Joey Bosa is Joey Bosa.

  • Goff Incomplete:
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This is another play that’s tough to tell why the ball was so off target, but bottom line, it goes down as incomplete.

  • Goff Interception
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There’s the Goff everyone loves to hate. I can’t really explain this INT. There’s nothing I can come up with other than it was just a really poorly thrown ball.

  • Conclusion on Jared Goff:
So far this preseason everything I’ve heard from LA Rams fans has been positive. The impression that he’s given is that he’s far more comfortable in McVay’s system. Coming from the famed “Bear-raid” offense at Cal to McVay’s spread system, it makes sense Goff would be comfortable.

Those last two clips are troubling if you’re a Rams fan, but as a life-long Colts fan I remember seeing Manning miss just as bad as those clips. It just didn’t happen that often. The jury is still out on Goff but if he can succeed at the NFL level, Sean McVay’s offense is his best shot. Between Goff and Gurley our defense better come ready to play.

Todd Gurley, one year wonder?
It’s no secret, Todd Gurley struggled last year. To the tune of 885 yards on 278 carries. For those of you keeping score at home, that’s 3.2 yards per carry. When you look at running backs drafted in the top 15 since 2007, only three have averaged less than 3.5 YPC for an entire season; Todd Gurley, Darren McFadden and Trent Richardson.

That’s not good.

But why? Their fan base seems to be split, but almost everyone agrees, there isn’t a single aspect that explains their failure as a whole. This is another time I’m not going to reinvent the wheel. Once again QBKlass over at Turf Show Times put together a great explanation of the 2016 Rams’ running struggles. Once again, because I know you’re lazy here’s the TL;DR:

Gurley has shown little patience, flexibility or explosive ability. Gurley has averaged a pedestrian 3.0 yards per carry thus far, which is inexcusable even behind this offensive line. On top of that, Gurley does not have a single rushing attempt over 20 yards and has only eclipsed ten yards on six occasions this year. Gurley has been neither efficient or explosive.

By all accounts, Gurley hasn’t been the same player the Rams originally drafted. He has rapidly regressed from his budding superstar status... into a plodding runner whose net function is to mostly be a battering ram. Thankfully, Gurley still gives us rare reminders that he is a special player.

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As per usual, the line of scrimmage gets clogged up immediately and fails to sort itself out. More often than not, Gurley plunges straight ahead and simply tries to power through the garbage for as many yards as he can. It’s costed him plenty of yardage this season, but, with this offensive line, it’s hard to blame a player for mailing it in a little bit when he is constantly being battered without reward.

As a Colts fan when I read “More often than not, Gurley plunges straight ahead and simply tries to power through the garbage for as many yards as he can” I had horrible flashbacks of Trent Richardson trying to run over a guard he could have at least tried to miss. This isn’t looking good.

Offensive Line
The most glaring wart on Los Angeles’s collective run blocking effort is their inability to generate push. Left tackle Greg Robinson, left guard Rodger Saffold and right tackle Rob Havenstein have random (read: rare) moments of nastiness where they clear a path, but nobody on the offensive line can be counted on to consistently win the physical battle. Even when the Rams try to assert themselves with clear double teams, the line can’t move anybody off the ball.

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The players are the ones on the field making (or not making) the plays, so it’s easy to burden them with all the blame. While many of the players are responsible for the demise of the running game for their own reasons, they have not been set up well to succeed.

Head coach Jeff Fisher and offensive line coach Paul Boudreau have had five years to build their offensive line and install their blocking schemes. This dismal group should not be the product after five years...


Last year’s team was a mess when it came to blocking and the running game as a whole. So what can we expect in 2017? Jeff Fisher ran a mostly man blocking power scheme, Sean McVay prefers more zone blocking with the occasional man scheme thrown in. In addition to the change in scheme the Rams have worked to add talent and find the right fit along the offensive line. The results:

  • Inside Zone:
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  • Outside Zone:
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At one point in their 3rd preseason game the LA Rams ran the ball six (6) times in a row and moved the ball down the field. They didn’t run it six times in a row because it was the preseason and they ran out of pass plays, they did it because they were opening holes and getting a push.

Based on their 2017 tape (of only a single game), this could end up being a good zone blocking team. It could be a fluke, but they’re executing well early in the year.

If you’re wondering about what zone blocking is and you would like to learn more, this is a great explanation.

If their ability to open holes doesn’t disappear between now and Week 1, Todd Gurley may find himself more room than he had all of last year. He might find himself fighting for touches with the Rams newest receiving threat, Sammy Watkins.

Sammy Watkins
In case you live under a literal rock, here’s a link detailing the Sammy Watkins trade from a few weeks ago.

We’ve gone over Sean McVay’s desire to throw the deep ball. So how does Watkins fit?

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  • Fit:
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He has a career average of 16.1 yards per catch. For comparison TY Hilton has a career average of 15.7 yards per catch. Watkins’ issue has never been his physical ability, he just needs to stay healthy and as of right now, the Colts secondary looks like it will have its hands full in week 1.

Final thoughts
The Rams have talent at their offensive skill positions, Todd Gurley had a bad year but is a gifted athlete, Sammy Watkins fits perfectly with what the Rams want to do and Jared Goff is in an offensive system similar to the one that made him a number 1 overall pick.

Unless the Colts can generate a consistent pass rush I fear Jared Goff might introduce himself to the rest of the league as a legit NFL QB against our defense. If their moves to improve the offensive line are successful, this offense has the potential to be explosive. Later in the week we will take a look at the Rams defense and how Wade Phillips will impact the game.
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Young QB that has struggled screams for an aggressive defense with plenty of blitzing from the middle of the defense. If the Colts come out with the idea that the DBs are questionable due to injury and youth and drop 7-8 guys into coverage and hope for mistakes it will be a long day.

I think Goff can be forced into mistakes but he has enough weapons that if you play soft and let him get into any rhythm it will make him look better than he is. It’s not like the Colts are gonna put up 28+ points from their offense so the defense will need to put the offense in good situations.This game is in Monachino’s hands and that is probably not a good thing.
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I am kind of forced to watch the Rams and the Chargers as my home teams. Sean McVay at least makes the Rams watchable. There is nothing as awful as being forced to watch "Fisherball." I fully expect the new system will be a better way to evaluate Goff in his 2nd year.
 

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Haha good point! But I mean how could he not know the soon to be famous WR Coffee Cupp
Coffee is the third and youngest of the Kupp brothers following the eldest Cooper and Conner in the middle! They also have a little baby sister named Sippy...;) Papa Kupp is very protective of his young daughter!