This should have Todd Gurley and the Rams O-line licking their chops. If the Rams don't totally dominate the Browns with their run game, something is seriously wrong with this team.
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http://www.scout.com/nfl/browns/forums/4409-the-watercooler/14204237-149-3-ypg
149.3 YPG
That's the browns opponents rushing yards per game in 2015.
It's fairly remarkable considering the competition the Browns have had since the start of the year.
In example - the Broncos ranked 30th in rushing in 2015 - their offense that is.
On the final drive of 13 plays they RAN 8 times with the corpse of manning as qb
this wasn't a very good offense (partchwork o line) and an awkward offense. But they did this defense in.
Also very similar it's about what they did last year. Almost to the yard.
So this past offseason they made some changes.
Released Rubin. Skrine and Sheard signed elsewhere, cut Phil Taylor and traded Billy Wynn.
Browns added: Randy Starks, Tramon Williams, Danny Shelton, Xavier Cooper, Nate Orchard and made Jamie Meder official. On paper it looks like an even swap - maybe even upgrade at certain points
It's even. Boy is it even but they made an effort to address some issues in lieu of letting guys walk - I think we can all agree on that one right?
Even more curious is the browns rank 23 in team sacks. Now you have to remember we had 7 sacks against the Titans. If the browns continued the average outside of that game (based on what we have seen those 7 sacks were an outlier) I believe they would be 31st in the league.
So we really haven't seen any improvement in 22 games pettine has been the HC or his buddy the DC - pettine is a defensive coach by the way. I bring that up because you couldn't really tell by watching the browns but it is worth noting.
We are getting destroyed on the ground, despite taking some drastic measures from a personnel standpoint to address them. It's not even bend but don't break. It's keep pushing and eventually you got them.
Our upcoming schedule has some teams that some may consider dynamic ground games.
Todd Gurley. Hill/Bernard. Chris Johnson/Ellington. BeastMode. Levian Bell.
All guys way more talented than Ronnie Hilman.
Unfortunately I don't see an answer nor a fix. We just have to hope mcown plays at a level he has never played at consistently.
The first four or five games were a day at the beach comparing what we have. Even the Broncos tried to gift that game to the browns.
Not sure how you fix it. Not this season.
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The disturbing part to me is Pettine and Co. preached all offseason about stopping the run,and running the football on offense,and they haven't done either well.
Dead last stopping the run,and 25th running the football on offense.
And this is what you concentrated on in the offseason?
That's reason enough to get fired right there.
If you can't even improve on the two things you concentrated on,and spent resources on,then why should I have faith in you to turn around the rest of the team?
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But is the scheme that complicated or that remedial? That's where I am at.
Too many times caught with 10 men on the field or getting flagged for having 12 - consistently.
Ilbs shooting wrong gaps. Olbs not able to hold the edge and defensive ends on milk cartons for being missing.
Too complicated or too remedial?
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I don't understand why it has to be such a complex scheme. What the hell is wrong with playing a gap controlled defense where you focus on good fundamental tackling. I understand mixing up coverages and disguising blitzes but I dont even know what I'm watching half the time.
But going back to fundamentals, if they focused on stopping the run, wouldn't you think they'd have stressed things like shedding blocks, controlling gaps, and attacking the LOS with proper pursuit angles? Yeah, the scheme has holes all over the place but the simplest things aren't being executed. This isn't this staff's first rodeo, nor is it for the players. So what the hell is going on and who's mostly at fault?
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The run D is just horrid though, I watched Kruger totally over run a play yesterday for a big gain. He wasn't even blocked out of it took himself out of it. Happens all the time. Considering the turnover of players I gotta say it's more scheme and coaching than players.
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Todd Gurley may well run for 200 yards against the Browns this week.
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The defense should have to practice in pink bedazzled uniforms with skirts until they hold a team to under 100 yards rushing.
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Our ILBs seem to not move laterally and are poor in persuit of the run. Just as bad as the olbers are at the edge they are equally as sucky in persuit in shooting gaps (mostly the wrong ones)
And our defensive ends are pitiful. They get moved off the point of attack and are pushed back and when they do risk and shoot they whiff.
Outside of the scheme they play with horrible insticts and fundamentals
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Our LB's are absolutely awful, specifically the OLB's. They are horrible against the run, and as a bonus also offer absolutely no pass rush. At least be good at something.
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Gurley averages 5.7 YPC. Sunday is gonna suck.
However, by Sunday I'll have convinced myself we have some sort of chance only to be kicked in the nuts again.
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I think if they change back to the lighter orange that will help.
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The system is down
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Track speed coming off the edge against the slowest front seven in the NFL means a very long day.
I can see realistically 185+ yard type of bleeding
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Yup... 180 and 2 TD's minimum.
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For those who don't know LARP; it means Live Action Role Play. LARP is a form of role-playing where the participants physically act out their characters' actions. The players pursue goals within a fictional setting represented by the real world while interacting with each other in character.
I can't think of a better description of this clusterf#
@k team. They are pretending to be something they are not, all dressed up in costume, in the real-world setting of a football stadium.
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This defense is a potent combination of incompetent schemes together with slow, soft players. We lose our individual battles regularly, but it really doesn't matter because O'Neil's scheme wouldn't exploit them anyway. Fire him, bring in eleven new starters and you literally couldn't be worse.
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16 straight years of incompetence has more bearing on the psyche of the fans than it does the product on the field.
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What floors me is the complete inability to contain outside running plays. It's mind boggling. Repeatedly failing to contain and getting sucked inside trying to be a hero on the highlight reel is the sort of thing high school players get benched for yet our high paid defense makes the same errors.
I coached pee wee football one year (super fun but we sucked due to poor coaching) and ended up handling the defense. Most definitely not my area of expertise (not that I really have one but I was mostly an offensive player in high school) so I asked a buddy who is a HS coach what to focus on.
He told me "after tackling the 1st thing you should teach kids playing on defense is to not let the fast kid get outside, contain, contain, contain, that's it" Thinking back I recall my HS coaches screaming the same thing at us on the practice field, in games and in the film room.
Not sure if we have dumb players or if it's coaching but we can't seem to execute basic football fundamentals.
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Good? Fundamental? Tackling?
I mean, I know these words as they stand alone, but are you sure you are allowed to string them together like that? Do they even work when you connect them as such? You must be breaking some kind of Grammatical Rule.
We haven't had those three words unified STR.
You keep doing stuff like this, you're going to fail your English Class!
Suddenly came in the Saint of Sorrows, Time with all of his Tainted Tomorrows.
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I think the damning evidence against pettine is the lack of development of the rookies. The players in the " it's a process" corral keeps growing. Erving, gilbert,gaines,shelton,of course manziel,bibbs and anyone else I forgot. Another indictment is hadens behavior or confidence seems shot. Coaches killing any swagger or ego at the door.
I suspect emotionally driven players are neutered quickly. Passionless play out there. Too much scheme, not enough heart on defensive side. This affliction of def coordinators tryn to control every scenario is common for smarty pants newbies. Dolphins had same problem til they were let loose and prison raped Tennessee.
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It's a combination of poor scheme, poor coaching, poor use of personnel, poor play and lastly on the players.
Here is another testimonial to their incompetence
Browns currently rank 23rd in total sacks through 6 games.
Not the worst. Minor improvement from the 27th through 16 last year.
However if you take the sack fest of the Titans game out of the equation the browns only have 3 sacks in 5 games.
That sir is the perfect storm of suck
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C'mon Jack - yes, they have no pass rush - but it's because they've traded off a pass rush for a dominant run defense. You can't optimize everything at the same time, can you?
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This is likely going to be the worst Browns defense of my lifetime and what is alarming is that they have spent a lot of money in FA and high draft picks in the past few years in an effort to shore it up across 3 different coaching and GM regimes. They have a supposed defensive expert as HC who has spent two years talking the big talk about what is going to happen but the defense is only getting worse with time somehow.
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