What are you most tired of?

[Corbin]

Flip side of all that:
Closed minded people that want to change just for the sake of change

Entry level workers wanting pay equal to someone with 20 years experience

People too lazy to put in an honest days work

But Angry, we dealt with the same requirements. The bypass of that was college or equivalent experience. I haven't tried to get a job lately, but I imagine that's still true today.

Besides, it's hard being this damn good!

It's not. College is helluva lot more expensive. So we're in debt to begin with with stupid stupid interest from these predatory insurance companies.

We have part time jobs at a fast food or retails and can't get a livable wage because "all you're doing is flippin burgers and folding clothes so you don't need extra money to live". Lord knows that wage ain't gonna pay for rent let alone the stupid debt.

Graduating with a degree + internship + part time work should be good enough for a job right? Nah, you need 3 - 5 years to start or know someone in some Fortune 500 company. WTF.

Applies. Sorry you don't meet the experience qualifications. Or my personal favorite, you're over qualified. Why the hell does that phrase exist if we're lazy?

God forbid you have a job gap because no one will acknowledge your resume. That's an automatic label of laziness.

Oh, I got in yay! Can I have a livable wage? No, you are new so you have to "pay your dues" (jeez do I hate that)...bro the rent and electric bills doesn't give a shit about " paying your dues".

The whole system needs to be re-modeled. And stop treating us like entitled brats because we have the audacity to want a good work-life balance.



In about 6.5 years the 2000s will be 30 years in the past. That stuff won't apply either. This isn't just about wanting more vacation days. That's an example. Hell forget vacation, even leaving work people get labeled "oh you're leaving already hurr hurr hurr". It's the mentality of the older gens labeling the next gens. And that's my thing...labels and generalizations. Stop it.

We're not lazy. We just realize jobs are just that...jobs. To pay the bills and do things to be happy in our lives.

BTW I'm not sure sure about underemployment. We posted a job and there were hundreds of applicants. People are wanting to work, wanting to get seen, wanting to get better opportunities. But they are barely looked at. It's ridiculous.



Do they? I had a boss that told me to "hold it" because I had the audacity to pee before a meeting. Thank god my current bosses aren't like that. I do what's needed to get the job done and no one bothers me, so you're right in general. I've also known plenty otherwise.



I agree. I've seen people get screamed at for missing an arbitrary deadline because they wanted to make the product perfect. Something is wrong w/ this picture.

This is completely wrong with the assumption that the rate of pay for a workforce with or without a degree have declined, cost of college, inflation, goods, housing, rent and food has skyrocketed past what in your head is/should have continued from the 60's,70's,80's.

I can provide you tons of viable information that proves these assumptions are wrong and then you blame a generation. It's pretty crazy because the same things were said about the Boomer/GenX generations back when the Silent and Greatest Generations were young.


Wages have stayed the same or went down while college prices have skyrocketed.

Pretty self evident what is going on here.

Federal Minimum wage (red) versus housing prices (blue)

Inflation since 1965, we are experiencing the largest inflation period since the Ford/Carter years in the mid 70's to early 80's period.

Now tell me again what is wrong with workers wanting more pay? Corporations, top tier management and the 1% have increasingly taken more and more of their share out of the the workers hands and into their pockets and stagnated experienced workers pay and entry level pay increases.

 

[OldSchool]

This is completely wrong with the assumption that the rate of pay for a workforce with or without a degree have declined, cost of college, inflation, goods, housing, rent and food has skyrocketed past what in your head is/should have continued from the 60's,70's,80's.

I can provide you tons of viable information that proves these assumptions are wrong and then you blame a generation. It's pretty crazy because the same things were said about the Boomer/GenX generations back when the Silent and Greatest Generations were young.


Wages have stayed the same or went down while college prices have skyrocketed.
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Pretty self evident what is going on here.
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Federal Minimum wage (red) versus housing prices (blue)
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Inflation since 1965, we are experiencing the largest inflation period since the Ford/Carter years in the mid 70's to early 80's period.

Now tell me again what is wrong with workers wanting more pay? Corporations, top tier management and the 1% have increasingly taken more and more of their share out of the the workers hands and into their pockets and stagnated experienced workers pay and entry level pay increases.

Looks like the universities are increasingly taking more and more of their share of the money and what they offer is being less valued. Having been somebody who's interviewed college graduates for jobs add me to the list of people not impressed by what I've seen of "higher education".

 

[Corbin]

Looks like the universities are increasingly taking more and more of their share of the money and what they offer is being less valued. Having been somebody who's interviewed college graduates for jobs add me to the list of people not impressed by what I've seen of "higher education".

100%, things have changed for the worse due to colleges changing their curriculum and how the test students.

 

[Loyal]

Looks like the universities are increasingly taking more and more of their share of the money and what they offer is being less valued. Having been somebody who's interviewed college graduates for jobs add me to the list of people not impressed by what I've seen of "higher education".

I agree and disagree. I received an MA in History in 2021 and it was the fulfillment of a lifetime goal...a bucket list item, if you will.

While earning the MA, my tuition was paid for by being a teachers assistant for underclassmen, These students were in large part, getting teaching degrees. Their depth of knowledge and understanding almost caused me despair when grading essays. As much as I treasure the historical knowledge gained in my BS and MA, it was the other skills developed that probably mattered more. I learned to research and how determine which sources were credible and which were not. I learned how to read and absorb vast amounts of material and then how to synthesize that material, which helped to develop a thesis for a long assed paper. It seemed that many of the student papers that I graded were an attempt to do the absolute minimum It was a rare student who pursued excellence.

Now the skills I mentioned won't help you slinging cases of delicious Pepsi in a bottling plant, but will help you if your goal is to work in state and national archives/museums and historical sites. In my case it informs my historical fiction writing...... But a degree doesn't matter a whole lot if you "memorized a bunch of useless facts for a degree."

 

[Angry Ram]

This is completely wrong with the assumption that the rate of pay for a workforce with or without a degree have declined, cost of college, inflation, goods, housing, rent and food has skyrocketed past what in your head is/should have continued from the 60's,70's,80's.

I can provide you tons of viable information that proves these assumptions are wrong and then you blame a generation. It's pretty crazy because the same things were said about the Boomer/GenX generations back when the Silent and Greatest Generations were young.


Wages have stayed the same or went down while college prices have skyrocketed.

My thing wasn't necessarily about wages and pay, aside from wanting something livable right when we get a job (i.e., fuck "paying your dues"). Change the system please for god's sake.

I think we're agreeing w/ each other? College being so damn expensive and these high interest loans have fucked my gen and is going for seconds on the coming gens.

I just want a fair shot without being automatically labeled. They see "1989" or a job gap and automatically equate it to lazy. Dude we want to work and live our damn lives. Give us a chance, or hell I'd take an interview.

Talk about callin us lazy and then in the same breath say we're "overqualified". The amount of administrative and clerical positions I applied for w/ a graduate degree just to get my name in the door, hell.

Now tell me again what is wrong with workers wanting more pay? Corporations, top tier management and the 1% have increasingly taken more and more of their share out of the the workers hands and into their pockets and stagnated experienced workers pay and entry level pay increases.

Yup. Hence the rise of signing on and off and doing your job at your scheduled time. Want more, compensate me better. But older gens gave it a negative connotation w/ "quiet quitting" and turned it into another weapon to attack the younger generations.

 

[snackdaddy]

I'm tired of customer service recordings that tell me "Your call is important to us" then listening to elevator music for the next 40 minutes.

Why can't shampoo and conditioner run out at the same time?

Or when my wife overshares everything to her sister and mother. "Charlie's been on the toilet for a while. I think he's constipated." Maybe the toilet is the only place I get time for myself! If I ever have E.D. I'm sure they would know. Imagine sitting at a family dinner with them and the mother in law says "Would you like some wet noodle soup?"

 

[Selassie I]

I'm tired of customer service recordings that tell me "Your call is important to us" then listening to elevator music for the next 40 minutes.

Why can't shampoo and conditioner run out at the same time?

Or when my wife overshares everything to her sister and mother. "Charlie's been on the toilet for a while. I think he's constipated." Maybe the toilet is the only place I get time for myself! If I ever have E.D. I'm sure they would know. Imagine sitting at a family dinner with them and the mother in law says "Would you like some wet noodle soup?"

Maybe show her this... or not. lol


View: https://www.instagram.com/p/CuonAZkNHWj/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

 

[OldSchool]

Maybe show her this... or not. lol


View: https://www.instagram.com/p/CuonAZkNHWj/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Seems low honestly

 

[Selassie I]

Seems low honestly

You can't imagine how funny this is to me. LOLOLOLOL

My Daughter-in-law has an hourglass timer that she hands my son when he's headed for the bathroom. When the sand runs out... she's coming in if she wants. Apparently he's over 7 hours in 5 days. Baaaaaahahahahahahahaaaaa. @Ramrasta

 

[OldSchool]

You can't imagine how funny this is to me. LOLOLOLOL

My Daughter-in-law has an hourglass timer that she hands my son when he's headed for the bathroom. When the sand runs out... she's coming in if she wants. Apparently he's over 7 hours in 5 days. Baaaaaahahahahahahahaaaaa. @Ramrasta

Saw these today

 

[RhodyRams]

you guys have had 3 pages..so someone has to say it


stupid polls

 

[OldSchool]

I agree and disagree. I received an MA in History in 2021 and it was the fulfillment of a lifetime goal...a bucket list item, if you will.

While earning the MA, my tuition was paid for by being a teachers assistant for underclassmen, These students were in large part, getting teaching degrees. Their depth of knowledge and understanding almost caused me despair when grading essays. As much as I treasure the historical knowledge gained in my BS and MA, it was the other skills developed that probably mattered more. I learned to research and how determine which sources were credible and which were not. I learned how to read and absorb vast amounts of material and then how to synthesize that material, which helped to develop a thesis for a long assed paper. It seemed that many of the student papers that I graded were an attempt to do the absolute minimum It was a rare student who pursued excellence.

Now the skills I mentioned won't help you slinging cases of delicious Pepsi in a bottling plant, but will help you if your goal is to work in state and national archives/museums and historical sites. In my case it informs my historical fiction writing...... But a degree doesn't matter a whole lot if you "memorized a bunch of useless facts for a degree."

A wonderful story and you're an exception to the norm on paying as you go. But the graph posted above perfectly shows what I was talking about.

cost of a degree has more than doubled in the last 30 years of that chart and it's gone up since 2010. Add to that the amount of degrees earned (and I don't have the number of them you just see and hear too many people talk about what they majored in) that don't allow somebody to earn money to pay off their debt.

I do like though how you reinforce my comment about frightfully stupid people with a degree in their hand. They don't try they don't put in the effort to excel and that lack of character shows when they're out of school and if they actually get a job.

 

[Loyal]

A wonderful story and you're an exception to the norm on paying as you go. But the graph posted above perfectly shows what I was talking about.

cost of a degree has more than doubled in the last 30 years of that chart and it's gone up since 2010. Add to that the amount of degrees earned (and I don't have the number of them you just see and hear too many people talk about what they majored in) that don't allow somebody to earn money to pay off their debt.

I do like though how you reinforce my comment about frightfully stupid people with a degree in their hand. They don't try they don't put in the effort to excel and that lack of character shows when they're out of school and if they actually get a job.

But, it's also true that those with an MA earn about $77K a year on average and those with a doctorate earn about $97K.. This is regardless of major.

 

[RhodyRams]

But, it's also true that those with an MA earn about $77K a year on average and those with a doctorate earn about $97K.. This is regardless of major.

I never went to college and earn North of of those numbers

 

[Loyal]

I never went to college and earn North of of those numbers

Yep and that's not usual. Just saying that those with those degrees earn more over a lifetime than regular joes, which I have been most of my whole life.

 

[Corbin]

I agree and disagree. I received an MA in History in 2021 and it was the fulfillment of a lifetime goal...a bucket list item, if you will.

While earning the MA, my tuition was paid for by being a teachers assistant for underclassmen, These students were in large part, getting teaching degrees. Their depth of knowledge and understanding almost caused me despair when grading essays. As much as I treasure the historical knowledge gained in my BS and MA, it was the other skills developed that probably mattered more. I learned to research and how determine which sources were credible and which were not. I learned how to read and absorb vast amounts of material and then how to synthesize that material, which helped to develop a thesis for a long assed paper. It seemed that many of the student papers that I graded were an attempt to do the absolute minimum It was a rare student who pursued excellence.

Now the skills I mentioned won't help you slinging cases of delicious Pepsi in a bottling plant, but will help you if your goal is to work in state and national archives/museums and historical sites. In my case it informs my historical fiction writing...... But a degree doesn't matter a whole lot if you "memorized a bunch of useless facts for a degree."

That's pretty fucking cool man. What history did you specialize in? I just graduated last year with a Cyber Security degree and I've debated getting a minor or something just so I have something in history since it's awesome like IT is. I hate fucking writing papers though!!

P.s. I read historical fiction and my last one was a book called Sarum about the historical history of the UK and in particular the south central part of the coast near the Isle of Wight. Pretty cool book.

My thing wasn't necessarily about wages and pay, aside from wanting something livable right when we get a job (i.e., fuck "paying your dues"). Change the system please for god's sake.

I think we're agreeing w/ each other? College being so damn expensive and these high interest loans have fucked my gen and is going for seconds on the coming gens.

I just want a fair shot without being automatically labeled. They see "1989" or a job gap and automatically equate it to lazy. Dude we want to work and live our damn lives. Give us a chance, or hell I'd take an interview.

Talk about callin us lazy and then in the same breath say we're "overqualified". The amount of administrative and clerical positions I applied for w/ a graduate degree just to get my name in the door, hell.



Yup. Hence the rise of signing on and off and doing your job at your scheduled time. Want more, compensate me better. But older gens gave it a negative connotation w/ "quiet quitting" and turned it into another weapon to attack the younger generations.

Sorry man didn't mean to sound like I was berating you or whatever, just included you because I do agree it's pretty ignorant and reckless how a lot of these employers pay and expect from younger employees coming into the work place for shit pay and benefits.

On the flip side i interviewed a lot of shit bags to that couldn't do anything with zero skills. So IDK.

IMO the most important traits is not being agreeable and be able to defend and justify yourself why you deserve X salary over X salary. Some people are afraid to go bat for themselves.

A wonderful story and you're an exception to the norm on paying as you go. But the graph posted above perfectly shows what I was talking about.

cost of a degree has more than doubled in the last 30 years of that chart and it's gone up since 2010. Add to that the amount of degrees earned (and I don't have the number of them you just see and hear too many people talk about what they majored in) that don't allow somebody to earn money to pay off their debt.

I do like though how you reinforce my comment about frightfully stupid people with a degree in their hand. They don't try they don't put in the effort to excel and that lack of character shows when they're out of school and if they actually get a job.

I never went to college and earn North of of those numbers

But, it's also true that those with an MA earn about $77K a year on average and those with a doctorate earn about $97K.. This is regardless of major.

I found 3 charts with pretty much the same data and different years:
2020 Dept of Labor

Dept of Ed. website 2022

US Census 2020

 

[Loyal]

That's pretty fucking cool man. What history did you specialize in? I just graduated last year with a Cyber Security degree and I've debated getting a minor or something just so I have something in history since it's awesome like IT is. I hate fucking writing papers though!!

P.s. I read historical fiction and my last one was a book called Sarum about the historical history of the UK and in particular the south central part of the coast near the Isle of Wight. Pretty cool book.

Sorry man didn't mean to sound like I was berating you or whatever, just included you because I do agree it's pretty ignorant and reckless how a lot of these employers pay and expect from younger employees coming into the work place for shit pay and benefits.

On the flip side i interviewed a lot of shit bags to that couldn't do anything with zero skills. So IDK.

IMO the most important traits is not being agreeable and be able to defend and justify yourself why you deserve X salary over X salary. Some people are afraid to go bat for themselves.





I found 3 charts with pretty much the same data and different years:
2020 Dept of Labor
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Dept of Ed. website 2022
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US Census 2020
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I studied primarily American history., plus our involvement in WW1 and WW2.

 

[Allen2McVay]

I studied primarily American history., plus our involvement in WW1 and WW2.

I could have told you that we were involved in both, and saved you a lot of time and effort.

 

[Tano]

I never went to college and earn North of of those numbers

That's because you're a bookie

 

[OldSchool]

That's because you're a bookie

Pimpin aint easy