What Am I Missing? (Predictions for 2018)

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No, I'm not offering my own predictions for the entire NFL. Aside from by rock solid, unbiased, prediction of 14-2, and Super bowl win :)whistle:)..

I'm astounded by the low balling of the team by "experts" More than one had us barely winning the division at 10-6 or 11-5, and losing in the Wild Card round, once again. I look at our loaded roster and think that we are unstoppable. We have an improved version of the highest scoring offense in 2017. Our defense is insanely good on paper, and those 7 plays in 3rd preseason game without Aaron Donald, vs the Texans, looked unstoppable...Why is our team underrated, when it seems to me we should be the favorites to win everything?
 

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I will be completely honest here

I am a bit nervous about the high expectations of the team going in to this season. I remember the expectations after Bradfords rookie year only to watch the Rams go 2-14 the next year. Now I realize there is a whole new coaching staff in place and all the other malarkey, but that doesnt stop me from being cautiously optimistic about the 2018-19 season
 

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I'm with you Loyal. Rams are gonna kill it this year. Super Bowl Champs! "Experts" can be wrong now and then. Especially that douche bag Michael Lombardi. I've thrown caution to the wind!

P.S. Rams will break season sack record!
 

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I will be completely honest here

I am a bit nervous about the high expectations of the team going in to this season. I remember the expectations after Bradfords rookie year only to watch the Rams go 2-14 the next year. Now I realize there is a whole new coaching staff in place and all the other malarkey, but that doesnt stop me from being cautiously optimistic about the 2018-19 season
I understand what you are saying in a way, but the other "malarkey" is that second season Bradford year was a dumpsterfire team. Bradford was Mr. Dump Off in getting the OROY, short quick passes...DC's knew what was coming that 2nd year. That team wasn't a complete team, this one is.
 

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I think you have all you papers in order @LoyalRam

Please proceed forward to the ridiculously giddy party bus. Feel free to grab a cold one, sit back, and enjoy the ride.


THE HORNS ARE PRIMED AND READY FOR SOME ASS KICKING!!!!

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I'm with you @LoyalRam, though I'm still getting pre-game butterfly's for week 1. The anticipation for this season has my gut in knots.
 

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I understand what you are saying in a way, but the other "malarkey" is that second season Bradford year was a dumpsterfire team. Bradford was Mr. Dump Off in getting the OROY, short quick passes...DC's knew what was coming that 2nd year. That team wasn't a complete team, this one is.

Mcvay remember took the rams to 11-5 year 1. They added real talent. 2010 rams weren’t good and their offseason sucked pre 2011.
 

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If we stay healthy. I have us set to win 13 games.

I left the last game open because it truly is unpredictable.

Losses to Green Bay and in Mexico to KC.

Stress games Minnesota and Philly. Charges could be a game as well. . . the whole fight for LA
 

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No, I'm not offering my own predictions for the entire NFL. Aside from by rock solid, unbiased, prediction of 14-2, and Super bowl win :)whistle:)..

I'm astounded by the low balling of the team by "experts" More than one had us barely winning the division at 10-6 or 11-5, and losing in the Wild Card round, once again. I look at our loaded roster and think that we are unstoppable. We have an improved version of the highest scoring offense in 2017. Our defense is insanely good on paper, and those 7 plays in 3rd preseason game without Aaron Donald, vs the Texans, looked unstoppable...Why is our team underrated, when it seems to me we should be the favorites to win everything?



That stats chick on the NFL Network has us at 9-7. :LOL:
 

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No, I'm not offering my own predictions for the entire NFL. Aside from by rock solid, unbiased, prediction of 14-2, and Super bowl win :)whistle:)..

I'm astounded by the low balling of the team by "experts" More than one had us barely winning the division at 10-6 or 11-5, and losing in the Wild Card round, once again. I look at our loaded roster and think that we are unstoppable. We have an improved version of the highest scoring offense in 2017. Our defense is insanely good on paper, and those 7 plays in 3rd preseason game without Aaron Donald, vs the Texans, looked unstoppable...Why is our team underrated, when it seems to me we should be the favorites to win everything?

Remember, as the "pattern" guy, I've been quite negative about our outlook in the recent past.

I was really optimistic last year prior to the season.

This year? We legit have a solid chance barring injury to go 14-2 or better in the regular season.

Why?

McVay's mindfulness is reason number one. He's cognizant that he must continue to innovate on offense. He completely understands that it won't be about stats at the end, but about winning each game and staying healthy for the next one. He's more involved with the D and Wade will have more talent than he had on the Denver D of 2015 which was one of the better defenses of the past 30 years.

Our talent level is off the charts. Think about it. We have as many as 6 HoF players if they continue at their current pace in Whitworth, Gurley, Aaron Donald, Marcus Peters, Ndomukong Suh and Aqib Talib. No, they won't all be first ballot HoFers, but it's undeniable that once each retires that they'll be in the conversation once eligible. And that doesn't account for others like Goff, Cooks and Joyner who have the potential to continue to improve and take their game to that next level. That level of talent aggregation is insane and rarely happens in these days of FA and the salary cap. On paper, this team has more overall talent than the GSOT teams which is saying something, although this current Rams roster is more balanced with more of the stars on D. That said, this isn't an all-star "me first" team.

Team. McVay's "We, not me" culture has former wild child players like Talib, Peters and Suh really focusing on winning inside the team concept. Wade's approach, while it hasn't always aged well, is one where players like AD, Suh and Peters who freelance aren't punished, but rather encouraged. And if one examines Wade's career, he's never had an HC like McVay to get this level of buy in from his players.

The only question is whether this team generates the alchemy needed for teams that win it all.

What I do know in looking at the patterns is that this team is as good as any assembled, maybe ever.

THAT's how good this team can be. My neck hurts from the whiplash looking where we were just two years ago and where we are today.

So, yeah, 14-2 not because I don't think we have everything we need to go 19-0, but because the sport is played with an oblong ball, we have to face other amazing teams, there's that whole "any given Sunday" reality and we have depth questions.
 

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Agree with MacKeyser. And with McVay's positive attitude and his connection with players, the Rams may very well become a place where top free agents will go to for a year or 2 because they want to compete for a Super Bowl. I believe the Rams are poised for a top 2 position in the NFC which will get them a bye this season.

After that, I don't know how the season unfolds but I believe McVay will keep the train rolling. An SB title this season would cement my belief for good, but I honestly believe that under McVay, the Rams will win 2 or more Lombardi trophies. He will be setting the new standard in NFL coaches.
 

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That stats chick on the NFL Network has us at 9-7. :LOL:

NOTE: This response is a bit mathy. I tried to keep this as brief as possible. This would have been multiple pages had I put in examples, but I'll be glad to respond to any questions/responses.

One of the reasons I left econ after my prof called me a prodigy was that I had tremendous disdain for how poor the modeling was. I mean, if economic modeling was worth anything, even on a macro scale, then it would be increasingly difficult for mass speculation using instruments like derivatives, for example. I believed this in 1988, but 2008 proved what I was saying better than any paper I could ever have published.

In baseball, the analytics play out to a greater degree due to the much larger number of iterations across 10x more games than in the NFL. Also, the context is easier to manage since the game revolves around a one on one matchup, hitter v pitcher, and then expands from there.

In the NFL, it's 11 v 11, and since each player affects the other 21 players on each play to some degree which can be measured even if negligible (and yes, much like one can't pee in the ocean in Los Angeles and affect the water temperature in Tokyo, there would be instances of limits which any algorithm would have to take into account), we're talking about 22ˆ21. That's a massive difference. Moreover, the NFL variables are much more sensitive to context. Thus the algorithms can go way off by being only slightly incorrect and we routinely see predictions that are wildly off. Were it not for limits built within some of the algorithms, I feel very confident some games for example would have teams scoring thousands of points in a game. The limits aren't the context, they act like bumpers in the gutters of a bowling lane when kids bowl.

Also, the trend in the NFL with analytics don't take into account the effects of changes to installed systems, new installers of systems...that being new offense/defense and/or new OC/DC. Moreover, there isn't generally a proper accounting for how a player fits within a scheme. Lastly, players are often devalued not for their play, but for moves made as a result of the salary cap or how a FO/HC view a player's fit into a scheme.

One example would be Brandin Cooks. Why hasn't he stayed with one team? Well, Brees is at that place where Payton's scheme has to rely more on timing than speed and he's struggled to hit speed receivers.

Cooks went to NE where it takes time to learn that EP offense, still had success, but Belichick has been reticent to pay people coming up on big contracts. Thus, coming up on his last contract year, they ship him out for draft picks which is NE's SOP. Is Cooks a receiver who bounces from team to team because he's not a fit? Not at all.

Unfortunately, that's the lazy narrative. Cooks is a PERFECT skill and personnel fit for this offense.

And Cooks is but one of many players that are misunderstood from a numbers perspective.

Analytics only works when the inputs are accounted for properly. You could say that the context of the variables is as important as the variables themselves. And routinely, with NFL analytics, they get the context wrong.

Let me make it more simple. Target predicted that a 16 year old girl was pregnant because they understood the context of a person purchasing multiple items at the same time. There was a correlation which could be measured. Those purchasing X number of items from a list of things most pregnant women buy within the first trimester meant a statistical likelihood that the buyer was in their first trimester of pregnancy. The more items purchased, the greater the statistical likelihood.

However, that only works if Target picks the products which actually directly correlate to the purchases of women in their first trimester. If they misunderstand the needs of women in their first trimester or misweight certain variables, they could end up thinking camping gear denoted pregnancy as opposed to saltine crackers and cocoa butter.

Could the Rams go 9-7? Not with a healthy starting lineup. Not even with moderate injuries. Which leads me to believe that without modeling for massive injuries that her algorithm, the only way to articulate context in a math based system, is simply way off.

And based on statements I've listened to and read from her, I'm not convinced that she truly understands player context to a degree that she can create profiles accurate enough to mean anything in a model (remember the 22ˆ21 is 1.55 x 10ˆ28. Thus, with so many permutations PER PLAY, even the slightest discrepancy in a model can render the outputs moot.

Now, I don't think she's modeling a season on a per play basis, but that means she's using even greater approximations for player or unit performance over a season. That only works if the unit modeling is extraordinarily accurate. Clearly, they are not.

TL;dr Modeling is using known variables and known equations that describe behaviors or phenomena and extrapolating future outcomes. Analytics is essentially contextual modeling or using modeling within a specific framework with variables and correlations which only have value within that system.

NFL analytics is still in its infancy and is held back by the knowledge of true and accurate player evaluation and how the variables of scheme, salary cap, FO and/or HC disposition, etc play out. A prime example would be Jeff Fisher or Jon Gruden. One cannot predict unit performance without accounting for their predisposition for older players and thus the muted contributions of first and second year players. Without the ability to properly weight the variables, the algorithms used to determine efficacy, overall performance or success simply output garbage.

And as we see year in and year out, the algorithms aren't remotely close enough to be of value. They'll get there, but they're not there, yet.
 

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Remember, as the "pattern" guy, I've been quite negative about our outlook in the recent past.

I was really optimistic last year prior to the season.

This year? We legit have a solid chance barring injury to go 14-2 or better in the regular season.

Why?

McVay's mindfulness is reason number one. He's cognizant that he must continue to innovate on offense. He completely understands that it won't be about stats at the end, but about winning each game and staying healthy for the next one. He's more involved with the D and Wade will have more talent than he had on the Denver D of 2015 which was one of the better defenses of the past 30 years.

Our talent level is off the charts. Think about it. We have as many as 6 HoF players if they continue at their current pace in Whitworth, Gurley, Aaron Donald, Marcus Peters, Ndomukong Suh and Aqib Talib. No, they won't all be first ballot HoFers, but it's undeniable that once each retires that they'll be in the conversation once eligible. And that doesn't account for others like Goff, Cooks and Joyner who have the potential to continue to improve and take their game to that next level. That level of talent aggregation is insane and rarely happens in these days of FA and the salary cap. On paper, this team has more overall talent than the GSOT teams which is saying something, although this current Rams roster is more balanced with more of the stars on D. That said, this isn't an all-star "me first" team.

Team. McVay's "We, not me" culture has former wild child players like Talib, Peters and Suh really focusing on winning inside the team concept. Wade's approach, while it hasn't always aged well, is one where players like AD, Suh and Peters who freelance aren't punished, but rather encouraged. And if one examines Wade's career, he's never had an HC like McVay to get this level of buy in from his players.

The only question is whether this team generates the alchemy needed for teams that win it all.

What I do know in looking at the patterns is that this team is as good as any assembled, maybe ever.

THAT's how good this team can be. My neck hurts from the whiplash looking where we were just two years ago and where we are today.

So, yeah, 14-2 not because I don't think we have everything we need to go 19-0, but because the sport is played with an oblong ball, we have to face other amazing teams, there's that whole "any given Sunday" reality and we have depth questions.
and one to two losses could be at the very end of the season, if the division and home field advantage are clinched...We know that McVay rested starters vs frisco...
 

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Gotta earn it first.
I agree for ourselves, that's what matters.

But these guys that create lists of wins and losses, saw us win 11 games last year, and we massively improved the defense...I think Cooks is better than Watson, but even if they think it's an even trade and we are no better offensively, our team has to be better. They analyze other teams who have filled holes in their team's rosters.....Just an east coast bias, I guess.
 

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I'm always cautiously optimistic. The reason I am this season is that our team has changed a lot. Yes we have added potentially great pieces to the team, but chemistery is a real thing and there is no way of saying how it will happen.

My second reason for concern is that while I believe McVay to be a really good coach, but he was helped by the fact no one really knew what to expect last year. This year we are on everyone's list and his strategy will be intensively scrutinized. Maybe he adapts well, maybe he keeps everyone surprised by pulling new tricks out of his hat, or maybe he doesn't, and copying Zimmers or Peterson's strategies against us last year pays off for our opponents.

Last thing is that every year we see serious contenders, sometimes favorites disappoint, look at these SB predictions from a year ago : http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...dictions-patriots-raiders-steelers-head-picks
None of them had Eagles, or Vikings, or Jaguars, 3 of the 4 conference finals teams. Many were high on the Raiders who seemed poised for an awesome run. The NFL is just hard to predict.
 

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No, I'm not offering my own predictions for the entire NFL. Aside from by rock solid, unbiased, prediction of 14-2, and Super bowl win :)whistle:)..

I'm astounded by the low balling of the team by "experts" More than one had us barely winning the division at 10-6 or 11-5, and losing in the Wild Card round, once again. I look at our loaded roster and think that we are unstoppable. We have an improved version of the highest scoring offense in 2017. Our defense is insanely good on paper, and those 7 plays in 3rd preseason game without Aaron Donald, vs the Texans, looked unstoppable...Why is our team underrated, when it seems to me we should be the favorites to win everything?

I've been querying this recently also, I've come up with the following there:

The Rams lost to the 49ers at the end of the season - now I know our 1s weren't really there, but we lost. This fact in the mind of many people makes Jimmy G the next GOAT. I also think that MANY people / pundits think last year was a total fluke - Goff is going to implode and McVay is going to be out of his depth, returning the Rams to an 8-8 bullshit season at best.
 

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I've been querying this recently also, I've come up with the following there:

The Rams lost to the 49ers at the end of the season - now I know our 1s weren't really there, but we lost. This fact in the mind of many people makes Jimmy G the next GOAT. I also think that MANY people / pundits think last year was a total fluke - Goff is going to implode and McVay is going to be out of his depth, returning the Rams to an 8-8 bullcrap season at best.
You know, it's been different on NFLN lately. They consider Goff to be the product of McVay, but say he is living up to his draft status. But they rarely if ever say that we can beat the Saints, Vikings, Packers, and the Eagles. They also over value the 49ers and the Hawks (still) and think we will split with them. That's probably where they get 9-7 to 11-5 range