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Merlin

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Rams are 4-5 with an underperforming offense and improving defense. Fat lady hasn't sung that sad season ending song just yet. So let's take a look at the next window of games:

@ New England
Philly
@ New Orleans
Buffalo

After these four games we have 3 divisional games and the Jets. But no need to sweat those yet, because this next stretch is going to determine whether the Rams enter that final stretch ready to fight and maybe win a playoff berth, or unravel and get a better than usual draft pick.

I think the key for this next stretch is three wins. We have to get a few wins out of that group of games so we'll be sitting at 7-6 with the final four games remaining. So how does that happen?

1. Unfuck this OL. I will say again that this year's OL group has the potential to be the best unit we've seen in years. Dotson and Hav on the right are studs. Avila was a plus starter as a rook. So that means 3/5 of our OL positions are plus starters potentially, and Jackson is average at LT, while at Center we have a rook who has improved week to week in Limmer and a veteran who should be able to find his proficiency in there. You can make a fine OL with that. The nature of OL are that the sum of the parts is greater than the parts, when you're talking about a unit that is playing well. Our GSoT OL had two top players in Pace & Timmerman, with solid types around them. This unit has the quality we need to play at a high level.

2. Balance the attack. I know McVay is a pass-first OC and that's never going to change. I'm fine with it. But he's only got 2 weapons in the pass game, and a good secondary is going to be able to handle them and roll it up tight like Miami just did to us because there is no real threat to make them pay deep. So at least until this OL finds its footing again there has to be a plan to balance it on the ground to create the gaps the JAGs we have to rely on in the pass game need to function at high enough efficiency. We have two excellent backs. We have brutes on the OL. Pieces are there.

3. Sort this damn secondary. Our defense has been solid of late vs the run. Solid enough, to where their single biggest issue is eliminating the miscues and busted reads and coverages we are still plagued by on defense. The rush is outstanding. So I don't care who you gotta sit, there should be a path forward with the pieces we have to find at least enough efficiency that once the offense starts firing this defense will perfectly complement it. I think this defense right now, the way they are playing up front, is very close to being a top unit. They just get fucked over by terrible coverage on the back end far too much.

That's the bare minimum to my eye, in order to get this team back on top of things. And in every example we have the talent on the roster to do it. So I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet.
 

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I concur with that post.
I believe the Rams were 3-6 last year 9 games in, so worse. Not easy, need some help, lets do this.
 

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The problem is - the offense should be playing much better with the high priced guys returning. Nope. Lot of guys not worth even a fraction of what they are paid right now on the offensive side of the ball. I had high hopes for the offense - guess it was misguided. If they can’t do it against Miami at home on MNF, I don’t see them doing it against playoff teams.
 

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Kupp and Nacua aren't really creating much after the catch which is a big difference in this unit overall. Higbee is missed for his tough running after the catch. Under performing O Line. Up and down Stafford. You would think McVay could scheme some shots to D Robinson with teams concentrating on Kupp and Nacua. The Monday Night gameplan was a hot mess of a turd.
 

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Miami was a really critical game. They are not very good and you have to win those. Rams likely win at NE and NO, and lose at Philly and Buffalo. That's 6-7. They beat the Jets. 7-7. Sweep SF? Hope so but doubt it. 7-8. Beat the Hags? Probably, 8-8. Beat AZ. Damn good question as AZ is playing very well right now, way better than the Rams. Probably end 8-9. As Aikman said last night, the Miami loss could be the season killer.
 

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Maybe?
The thing is that they'll need A LOT of help to get to the playoffs. They're in 10th place in NFC and on the bad side of multiple teams ahead of them in tie-breakers.

Sure.. you have to play out the season.. but the combination of their schedule ahead and what some other teams are facing puts the Rams at a major disadvantage.

Betting on a turnaround like last year, two years in a row, is a long shot.

On the plus side.. the issues last night weren't talent or scheme... it was a questionable decision on Oline personnel and a complete lack of depth at tackle.

Shit.. who knows what happens in that game if Jackson doesn't sail that snap at the start of the second half.. Rams were moving the ball and in favorable down and distance situations constantly. Blowing that drive had a massive impact on the game, imo. But.. again.. it wasn't personnel or scheme.. it was bad execution.

They're in a hole.. but it's not impossible to get out.
 

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Our GSoT OL had two top players in Pace & Timmerman
We had a Hall Of Fame player at the most important position on the line. Massive difference to what we have now.

Broadly agree with the underlying points of your post, though.
 

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Kupp and Nacua aren't really creating much after the catch which is a big difference in this unit overall. Higbee is missed for his tough running after the catch. Under performing O Line. Up and down Stafford. You would think McVay could scheme some shots to D Robinson with teams concentrating on Kupp and Nacua. The Monday Night gameplan was a hot mess of a turd.
Agreed. But of course when a defense knows your QB is gonna get quick heat on most snaps it allows them to focus on the underneath shit McVay uses to move the chains. We have felt that every single game this line has underperformed.

Better protections change that equation. That is why it is the single most important thing going forward. If just that happens we will have a chance at the postseason.
 

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Rams are not as bad as they looked last night. 3 OL that hadn't played any real snaps this year was a disaster. It was a gamble that didn't pay off. With good protection, we win that game in comfortable fashion. On to week 11
 

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Rams are not as bad as they looked last night. 3 OL that hadn't played any real snaps this year was a disaster. It was a gamble that didn't pay off. With good protection, we win that game in comfortable fashion. On to week 11
Yeah, I thought that was a huge mistake. We were on a three game win streak and our o-line jelling was a big part of that. I was particularly impressed with our rookie center Limmer, they should have left well enough alone.
 

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We have the players to be a great team, our coaches are letting us down. Jonah Jackson was nowhere near in game shape and the coaches should have known that. I highly doubt Noteboom held his own with our dline in practice, so why they would leave him out there without help is beyond me.

Play calling is suspect and has been since the departure of Gurley. McVay has strayed away from rb's being involved in the passing game. Too many times do I see KW chip a defender and just hang out in the flat with yards of clear space in front of him only for Staff never to look his way. He should not be an after thought on passing downs.

We have players with very good hands in Allen, Atwell and Whittington. We need to get them involved more.
 

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Can they beat the Pats ? On paper they should , but I’m not so sure after watching the offense in the past 5 plus quarters. Excluding the game winner against the Hags. A couple mistakes and they’re playing from behind the whole game. That eventually catches up with you , like last night. I never had a feeling that they were going to win last nights game. The young D can’t be expected to hold up the entire game. Too many 3 and outs , plus the weekly int and fumble. Our veterans need to play better.
 

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I think this is a game that I felt like it was important to win but I don't feel completely defeated after losing. The obvious reason why we lost is we tried to do too much on the OL all at once. They were playing very well with the continuity and then all of a sudden changed 3/5 of the starters and we're back to square one.

That being said, we were in a worse position last year and still made the playoffs and the fixes seem pretty obvious, starting with the difficult decision of sitting the new big money free agent for the sixth round rookie at center.

I'm mostly just encouraged by the activity on our DL at this point, we'll have a chance to disrupt any offense's game plan for the long term future with how our young guys up front are playing imo.
 

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We need to bench J. Jackson and start Limmer at C. We need Havenstein back at RT. We need Avila at LG. Sit Noteboom and only use him in spot duty if needed. Sit J. Jackson until/if the OLine regresses. I would even put Dedich back in if Avila struggles next week. I would roll Stafford out of the pocket more early in the game to produce more offense (why do we wait until late in games to use that?!). We need to utilize Whittington more (sweeps, screens) he looked good early in the season. Allen is a terrible blocker at TE-he was awful last night-Parkinson has to be better than him -right? When Corum runs he looks good-why isn’t he getting more reps? I would at least do a 75-25 split with Kyren and him. Right now its more like 90-10.
 

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Noteboom set the tone early by getting knocked into the backfield on almost every play. The guy either plays like trash or he’s injured. I know they are trying to salvage anything they can from the contract they gave him but he’s got to be the first one out the door when the season ends. He’s been quietly stealing a paycheck since forever. Jackson struggled to snap the ball early in the season before he got hurt. Couldn’t he have been working on his snap while he was collecting money for not playing? You have to hold your breath on every snap. Alaric Jackson is going to want to get paid in the offseason but he’s not a whole lot better than Notrboom. Havenstein has been their best offensive lineman but he’s likely headed to retirement in the offseason. Got to address the tackle position in the draft.
 

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They’re not gonna bench Jackson for Limmer. Would you admit to your boss you wasted millions of his money? No, it will be like the Browns sticking with Watson. They paid the money, and they won’t be in a hurry to admit that was a mistake.
 

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They’re not gonna bench Jackson for Limmer. Would you admit to your boss you wasted millions of his money? No, it will be like the Browns sticking with Watson. They paid the money, and they won’t be in a hurry to admit that was a mistake.
this organization is not the Cleveland Browns…they rectify things pretty quickly
 

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3. Sort this damn secondary. Our defense has been solid of late vs the run. Solid enough, to where their single biggest issue is eliminating the miscues and busted reads and coverages we are still plagued by on defense. The rush is outstanding. So I don't care who you gotta sit, there should be a path forward with the pieces we have to find at least enough efficiency that once the offense starts firing this defense will perfectly complement it. I think this defense right now, the way they are playing up front, is very close to being a top unit. They just get fucked over by terrible coverage on the back end far too much.
I haven't been impressed with Witherspoon but he's better than T. White was. Maybe give Wallace more snaps. Last night he got 0 on D after getting dinged in the Seattle game (4 snaps). The previous 3 weeks he got 31, 39 and 20. Maybe it's because he got dinged vs Seattle, maybe because they don't see him as good as Witherspoon?