Waldron

[oldnotdead]

I listened to Russell Wilson talk about Waldron's offense. He describes it as being very complex with a lot of elements forcing the defense to defend the whole field. Sound familiar? Waldron is bringing the Ram style offense to the Hawks. Wilson has been training at the sports complex in Carlsbad, CA (a few miles from where I used to live). He said a number of offensive players have made the trip down there to practice and talk about the offense. Everett gives him a legit TE threat.

Brian Schottenheimer is a fraud, living off his father's name. Now Wilson has a legit OC to work with. Wilson lobbied hard for them to sign Waldron. He wanted that Ram style offense. LaFleur took it to GB and Rodgers had a career year with it despite not wanting it at first. Now Seattle will have it as well. I think the Seahawk's offense will be improved under Waldron. But I don't see them winning any shootout with the Rams as their defense is still the team's Achilles heel.

This is what I was talking about regarding Snead and McVay's "tree" spreading through the NFL. Success breeds copycats.

I really feel that this offense with Stafford is going to bring back that 2018 style scoring machine. Teams without good defenses are going to find themselves in a shootout they can't win. Too many of the media make too much over the loss of Brockers, Johnson, and Hill. They simply ignore that their replacements were already on the roster. Johnson's lack of speed limited how he could be played. He looked good because he could shade to the side opposite of Ramsey. Brockers struggled to beat single blocks and Hill lost his job by being outplayed by Williams.

If there is a drop in the rankings of the Ram D its going to be more about Morris not the players. I like Morris and as long as he can keep this unit in the top 5 that will be good enough because this offense could also be a top 5 offense.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I listened to Russell Wilson talk about Waldron's offense. He describes it as being very complex with a lot of elements forcing the defense to defend the whole field. Sound familiar? Waldron is bringing the Ram style offense to the Hawks. Wilson has been training at the sports complex in Carlsbad, CA (a few miles from where I used to live). He said a number of offensive players have made the trip down there to practice and talk about the offense. Everett gives him a legit TE threat.

Brian Schottenheimer is a fraud, living off his father's name. Now Wilson has a legit OC to work with. Wilson lobbied hard for them to sign Waldron. He wanted that Ram style offense. LaFleur took it to GB and Rodgers had a career year with it despite not wanting it at first. Now Seattle will have it as well. I think the Seahawk's offense will be improved under Waldron. But I don't see them winning any shootout with the Rams as their defense is still the team's Achilles heel.

This is what I was talking about regarding Snead and McVay's "tree" spreading through the NFL. Success breeds copycats.

I really feel that this offense with Stafford is going to bring back that 2018 style scoring machine. Teams without good defenses are going to find themselves in a shootout they can't win. Too many of the media make too much over the loss of Brockers, Johnson, and Hill. They simply ignore that their replacements were already on the roster. Johnson's lack of speed limited how he could be played. He looked good because he could shade to the side opposite of Ramsey. Brockers struggled to beat single blocks and Hill lost his job by being outplayed by Williams.

If there is a drop in the rankings of the Ram D its going to be more about Morris not the players. I like Morris and as long as he can keep this unit in the top 5 that will be good enough because this offense could also be a top 5 offense.

All on Morris? They lost some veteran leadership in Brockers and John Johnson. They will be relying on some youngsters and a guy that hasn’t played much in a year. If there is a hiccup I’d suspect it’s more due to the free agent losses.

 

[nighttrain]

could easily be either
train

 

[CoachAllred]

I listened to Russell Wilson talk about Waldron's offense. He describes it as being very complex with a lot of elements forcing the defense to defend the whole field. Sound familiar? Waldron is bringing the Ram style offense to the Hawks. Wilson has been training at the sports complex in Carlsbad, CA (a few miles from where I used to live). He said a number of offensive players have made the trip down there to practice and talk about the offense. Everett gives him a legit TE threat.

Pete is desperate. He is tired of being out coached every time he meets McVay.
We'll see about Everett. I prefer to describe him as average, legit TE threat? Not so sure.

If there is a drop in the rankings of the Ram D its going to be more about Morris not the players. I like Morris and as long as he can keep this unit in the top 5 that will be good enough because this offense could also be a top 5 offense.

Just seeing how he was able to turn around the Falcons D Very quickly after he was named
interim HC and McVay's faith in him, Makes me feel pretty confident.
I think he will do a fine job.
Our offense getting back to a top 5 ranking will also make Morris's job a little easier.

 

[CGI_Ram]

Everett gives him a legit TE threat.

I was one of Everett’s biggest fans. I saw the flashes like all you all…

But he is what he is. The great tease. He will have an amazing game, or stretch of games… then BAM… the mental lapses will surface. Good luck fixing that, Seahawks.

And… maybe he starts hot, with that “new car feeling” and renewed focus. But a tiger doesn’t change his stripes.

If the Rams let him walk, they saw enough. That’s good enough for me.

 

[oldnotdead]

Raheem ran a hybrid 3-4 in Atlanta. I think he's going to play what he knows. That said I think he will incorporate a lot of what Staley began. The guys Raheem advocated for in the draft, i.e. both Browns and Jones are primarily early down types you play in a normal 3-4 hybrid scheme. But he also knows he has a unique secondary and I see him then incorporating elements of Staley's scheme particularly on passing downs.

What I like about Morris is his wide breath of experience. He started with a Tampa 2, with elements of a cover 3, then moved on to a 4-3 and then 3-4 hybrid (single gap). He has shown his ability to absorb and adapt. It's why in some ways he might be as good or better than Staley. There were breakdowns in Staley's scheme because of it's complexity. I would expect Morris to simplify parts to allow players to play faster and to limit mistakes. I see no reason this defense can't be a top 3 unit and would expect them to be ranked no lower than 5.

 

[CGI_Ram]

I listened to Russell Wilson talk about Waldron's offense. He describes it as being very complex with a lot of elements forcing the defense to defend the whole field. Sound familiar? Waldron is bringing the Ram style offense to the Hawks. Wilson has been training at the sports complex in Carlsbad, CA (a few miles from where I used to live). He said a number of offensive players have made the trip down there to practice and talk about the offense. Everett gives him a legit TE threat.

Brian Schottenheimer is a fraud, living off his father's name. Now Wilson has a legit OC to work with. Wilson lobbied hard for them to sign Waldron. He wanted that Ram style offense. LaFleur took it to GB and Rodgers had a career year with it despite not wanting it at first. Now Seattle will have it as well. I think the Seahawk's offense will be improved under Waldron. But I don't see them winning any shootout with the Rams as their defense is still the team's Achilles heel.

This is what I was talking about regarding Snead and McVay's "tree" spreading through the NFL. Success breeds copycats.

I really feel that this offense with Stafford is going to bring back that 2018 style scoring machine. Teams without good defenses are going to find themselves in a shootout they can't win. Too many of the media make too much over the loss of Brockers, Johnson, and Hill. They simply ignore that their replacements were already on the roster. Johnson's lack of speed limited how he could be played. He looked good because he could shade to the side opposite of Ramsey. Brockers struggled to beat single blocks and Hill lost his job by being outplayed by Williams.

If there is a drop in the rankings of the Ram D its going to be more about Morris not the players. I like Morris and as long as he can keep this unit in the top 5 that will be good enough because this offense could also be a top 5 offense.

The media wasn’t sure how much the offense Waldron brings over… sounds like a good bit. I was hoping otherwise.

This might give the Seahawks a better chance to scheme us overall. That’s going to be interesting to watch. This ole Rams / Seahawks matchup is always spicy.

 

[den-the-coach]

FWIW I always felt Shane "Barney" Waldron was the weak link to the coaching staff, I wish him as much success in Seattle as Brian Schottenheimer.

 

[CGI_Ram]

FWIW I always felt Shane "Barney" Waldron was the weak link to the coaching staff, I wish him as much success in Seattle as Brian Schottenheimer.

Well… he hasn’t ever called an offense, as offensive coordinator. I think that’s what I read. Like never. Zero real experience.

McVay let him do some in preseason. (Again what I read)

Here’s how I look at it; we can all read a recipe. Doesn’t make us equal cooks.

So, if you’re right @den-the-coach all the better!

 

[fearsomefour]

All on Morris? They lost some veteran leadership in Brockers and John Johnson. They will be relying on some youngsters and a guy that hasn’t played much in a year. If there is a hiccup I’d suspect it’s more due to the free agent losses.

Morris’ defenses in Atlanta were very bad.
Bad tackling.
Not a lot of discipline and seemed to fade badly in games over and over.
The opposite of Staley’s halftime adjustments.
Morris is my biggest concern this year.

 

[fearsomefour]

Well… he hasn’t ever called an offense, as offensive coordinator. I think that’s what I read. Like never. Zero real experience.

McVay let him do some in preseason. (Again what I read)

Here’s how I look at it; we can all read a recipe. Doesn’t make us equal cooks.

So, if you’re right @den-the-coach all the better!

Wilson and Pete the Cheat will have a big voice in game planning I’m sure.

 

[den-the-coach]

Morris’ defenses in Atlanta were very bad.
Bad tackling.
Not a lot of discipline and seemed to fade badly in games over and over.
The opposite of Staley’s halftime adjustments.
Morris is my biggest concern this year.

IDK, he's had success too and when he took over as Head Coach the defense improved, now was that because of Jeff Ulbrich or because Morris was now controlling everything? I don't think someone like Morris can garner the accolades he's received over the years and not be a quality assistant coach, plus, he's responsible for the drafting of Bobby Brown & Robert Rochell, so although I look at things through Ram colored glasses, I feel good about Morris running the defense.

 

[So Ram]

Wilson and Pete the Cheat will have a big voice in game planning I’m sure.

lol- you know the saying.

To many cooks in the kitchen.

 

[oldnotdead]

The Rams couldn't afford to keep those FAs. Case in point Everett got a fully guaranteed $6M one year prove it contract. The Rams have $7.6M in free cap. It appears the plan is to eat Goff's dead money completely this year. That will free up the money they need to pay AD next year. His contract jumps to $26.7M in 2022 and Goff's dead money is $24.7M. So with Goff and Gurley off the books they will have the money to sign all those FAs they will have next year.

McVay's offense todate hasn't incorporated the TE position as a primary asset. it wasn't until 2019 that Higbee became a regular part of McVay's scheme. His use of 11 personnel didn't leave a whole lot of opportunities for TE's and Higbee was ahead of Everett on the depth chart. Only last year did Everett's snap count break 50%.

By your reckoning John Johnson wasn't good either because they let him walk. The value of safeties has exploded and he signed a $33.7M contract with the Browns. So it wasn't because Everett wasn't good it was simply that they knew they would draft Harris and they need the cap space next year.

Cap management is a science that calls for hard decisions and constantly planning ahead.

 

[So Ram]

IDK, he's had success too and when he took over as Head Coach the defense improved, now was that because of Jeff Ulbrich or because Morris was now controlling everything? I don't think someone like Morris can garner the accolades he's received over the years and not be a quality assistant coach, plus, he's responsible for the drafting of Bobby Brown & Robert Rochell, so although I look at things through Ram colored glasses, I feel good about Morris running the defense.

Bobby Brown!! Henderson is such a Excellent DL Coach!! Sky is the limit.Look at his age & how mature he is. Dude is hungry,plus he is very smooth with power. AD will have to buy him a watch or something.My thought he will be coming of time faster than most Players his age.

Raheem - he is well respected & a Mcvay guy. The Rams may get a 3rd Comp Pick ? My guess he will be worth having & forget that Comp pick.

 

[CGI_Ram]

Wilson and Pete the Cheat will have a big voice in game planning I’m sure.

With our 6-2 record in last 8 games against them… I hope so!

 

[Ramstien]

Morris’ defenses in Atlanta were very bad.
Bad tackling.
Not a lot of discipline and seemed to fade badly in games over and over.
The opposite of Staley’s halftime adjustments.
Morris is my biggest concern this year.

Bad players can only be coached up so far. Recipe for success, good coaches coaching good players. " A sow with a gold ring thru it's nose is still a sow".

 

[Rams43]

FWIW I always felt Shane "Barney" Waldron was the weak link to the coaching staff, I wish him as much success in Seattle as Brian Schottenheimer.

Well said, den! I support your sentiments 100%.

 

[Merlin]

I think Waldron's a marginal coach and play designer at best. But he should help Seattle marry the run and pass which will boost that offense and make it more dangerous. Wilson's a stud. We all know that. Now he'll have more of that balance at least in the approach and scheming side to tie it all together which is effectively an upgrade over Schotty's sorry ass.

And btw the bigger issue at hand is the personnel side. I don't think they have the horses on the OL to field a top unit. And I don't think they have the roster on defense either. But it's not like I nuke their roster or anything so maybe this change makes them a problem for us. We'll see.

 

[fearsomefour]

IDK, he's had success too and when he took over as Head Coach the defense improved, now was that because of Jeff Ulbrich or because Morris was now controlling everything? I don't think someone like Morris can garner the accolades he's received over the years and not be a quality assistant coach, plus, he's responsible for the drafting of Bobby Brown & Robert Rochell, so although I look at things through Ram colored glasses, I feel good about Morris running the defense.

Could be right.
Hope you are.
Adjusting at half time etc is huge.
Staley was amazing at that.
Now that he is a HC Staley may not be as effective.
Things can change.
I’m not sold either way on Morris.
As an aside.....Gregg Williams was the DC when Donald was drafted.