Tyrann Mathieu
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SunTzu.v.Camus said:The Dude said:
Yep, TM is just like a younger Finnegan and plays a lot like Finnegan....a "Mini-Finni"!!
Sorry.
TM is fearless and aggressive, he'd be a great replacement when we cut Finnegan's 15mil salary in a year or two.
Personally, I love the kid for our 4th CB/S...he's played both positions very well.
I think TM loves pot...
but might love football more.
Darn right! I see TM as Finnegan'esque as well. And yes, I think the kid can put down pot for the next 6 years of his life, earn millions then move to an island and smoke weed everyday.
BTW: great insignia
libertadrocks
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OnceARam said:
Mathieu failed over 10 drug tests. Some teams will have him off their draft boards all together.
He also only benched 225 4 times. No, strength isnt that important for a CB, but work ethic is. The fact that he wasnt motivated to work on his bench press during his suspension and leading up to the combine has to call into question his work ethic.
The measurable also dont help his status. He's small. He has a record of playing too instinctual. He is agressive, which allows him to make big plays, but it also hurt him as he blows the coverage. Better NFL QBs should be able to manipulate him. Thats a big thing he'll have to work on
Yamahopper
Hall of Fame
He's somewhere around a 5th round player, maybe 6th.
So that's where you take him. I could see him going undrafted. His talent in no way can offset his problems off the field.
So that's where you take him. I could see him going undrafted. His talent in no way can offset his problems off the field.
libertadrocks said:
The fact that he failed over 10 drug tests is a failure of the coaching staff. They allowed it to happen.
Plus if you read about him he realizes what's at stake now. Plus his father had similar issues and went to jail rather than the NFL, further making TM cognizant of what's at stake.
I think he'll be taken in the 2nd or 3rd. We have bigger fish to fry in terms of needs but he'll be a star in this league.
The bench doesn't matter. He's smart with his body. And unlike Tavon Austin he's not going to take many hits.
The only time he was ever beat in college was on deep flag patters, which were perfectly thrown by that Alabama QB with the ms. america gf.
bluecoconuts
Legend
10 drug tests.... Coaching failure or not that could be too much. There's only so many checkered pasts you want on a team. In a few years with Jenkins fully over his stupidness, sure. But I might be worried this year.
This little fucker is a bad-ass though...
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bluecoconuts said:
I didn't mean to sound like the failed drug tests are not TM's fault. My point is that LSU is making 10s of millions of dollars off of "amateur" football. Thus it is the institution's responsibility to make sure that any of its players get the help they need. That help could come in the form of anything from remedial tutoring to mental health counselling. (I saw first hand how easily collegiate level coaches give up on players that whom, I now know, could have been helped - although I'm sure that many of you on the boards could provide uplifting counter examples.)
If you've read anything about TM you know that he grew up in a less than ideal environment. His father went to jail. His college "friends" perpetuate the myth of the Honey Badger being larger than life for their own, personnel profit (i.e., nightclub promotion). He's only now, since his fall from grace, had a mentor work with him who did not have a vested financial interest in him. In other words; he has only recently been exposed to people who want him to succeed for his own sake, not theirs.
TM is not a bad person. His is not violent. He doesn't have any DUI's and isn't know for fighting.
So what is TM guilty of? Smoking weed. Why does he smoke weed? Assuming that we agree that he isn't a burned out loser incapable of contributing something positive to society, there must be a reason why a person smokes weed. I would venture to say that it's two fold in the case of TM; peer group and mental health. (I'm not saying that all people who smoke weed are burned out losers. I do have a theory that the prevalence of weed in our society is a response to mental health issues.)
Today he has left his peer group behind, is working with a mentor and has stopped smoking weed. We can only assume that he's also getting mental health counselling. And we can further assume that when he is drafted the team that drafts him will immediately assign a mental health councilor to him. Granted our society doesn't talk about such things, but they are happening. Point in case; look at Vernon Davis, TE SF Whiners. Ever since that "episode" he had with Singletary he's clearly been getting help. I'm referencing interviews he's given over the course of the years. It would be incredible to see them put together in a time series but that's for someone else to do.
So, what I'm getting at is; we (the public) either think that TM is an addict or not. If he is an addict, than I agree with all his negative pub and the view that he is a late draft pick (or should not be drafted at all). If he is not an addict, and assuming that he is working to overcome his starting point in life, he is serviceable and should be drafted based on his athletic ability and instinctual understanding of how to play the game - like Tavon Austin.
LosAngelesRams
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Warner4Prez
Hall of Fame
I think it's one thing to take a risk on a guy who's small like Austin, because that size can play to his advantage on offense. On defense though, HB just couldn't hold his own against guys like Colston, Finley, Graham, Gronk ect. The type of guys that teams are lining up in the slot is pretty varied. I just see Taylor Mays all over again, kind of a joke. Sure I hope he can get his shit straight, but I just don't think he'll be an NFL player.
As long as its not a pick in Rds1-4. 10 failed drug tests. Not sure adding another problem child in the back end is wise. We need all the resources for taser boy (Tru) & no jimmy hat Jenkins.
How much can CF31 look after?
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LosAngelesRams
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PressureD41 said:
I don't think he'd need to get a bigger apron because TM probably learned his lesson. I base that on an interview I saw.
But he isn't big enough to make an impact in the defensive backfield. Maybe as a returner.....but not on defense very much.
And don't sell No Jimmy short......he got tased too!
Who is a bigger risk? Mathieu or Greg Reid? I don't think either is a good risk for the Rams right now. We got holes still and need plugs. These two are specialists at best. Neither will be on the field on O or D consistently. They are kick returners in the NFL basically.