Trust you're own eyes...

[Alan]

tbux underestimating us:
Fair enough- not my business. Just think it is weak to mess with someone who cant defend themselves- Im a "say it to their face" type of guy- but again, don't know what has happened.

What makes you think it wasn't said to their face? That and much worse. It's the reason why I'm posting here. Relax tbux. Get to know us before you judge us. We're doing the same for you. I think in the end you'll be happy with that decision.

 

[OnceARam]

"He seems confused in zone coverage and consistently gets beat."
That's why I prefer Ha-Ha. Centerfield is what he played in college and so you know what you're getting with him. He might not be the top safety in the draft but he's the top FS in the draft IMO.

Yes, but is he worth a #13 pick when FAR better football players are still on the board. IF we draft him it would be a NEED pick. A needy pick. Needy...

 

[tbux]

Mayock is HORRIBLE. The only reason he's on air is because he says everything like he's DEAD CERTAIN. They never go back and check on whether what he's saying makes any damn sense.

Yeah I disagree- he is one of the more respected football guys out there with a good background and solid analysis.

 

[tbux]

Yes, but is he worth a #13 pick when FAR better football players are still on the board. IF we draft him it would be a NEED pick. A needy pick. Needy...

with you on this one

 

[Billy Baroo]

You're not really bagging on us for bagging on ZN just because he's not here - right? Especially since he'd be here to defend himself if he hadn't been banned and then offered a chance to come back only to be banned again when his spots returned to their old locale.

Welcome aboard Smails. And you'll get nothing and like it.

How about a Fresca?

 

[Mojo Ram]

Mayock is HORRIBLE. The only reason he's on air is because he says everything like he's DEAD CERTAIN. They never go back and check on whether what he's saying makes any damn sense.

Yeah,alot of that going around on message boards too.

 

[OnceARam]

with you on this one

Well I'm 1 for 2 with you. Far better than Mayock is with the draft.

 

[Alan]

OnceARam with this:
Yes, but is he worth a #13 pick when FAR better football players are still on the board. IF we draft him it would be a NEED pick. A needy pick. Needy...

You say far better players but I disagree. CBS has Ha-Ha rated as their 15th best player in the draft. We draft at #13 and that is where need meets value. Are you sure it isn't just because you like another player better? I do that too.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings

 

[OnceARam]

Yeah,alot of that going around on message boards too.

Good point! LOL!

 

[DR RAM]

I think he was better before, he's spread a lot thinner now. It's all a crapshoot anywho, and everybody has their own opinions.

 

[OnceARam]

You say far better players but I disagree. CBS has Ha-Ha rated as they 15th best player in the draft. We draft at #13 and that is where need meets value. Are you sure it isn't just because you like another player better? I do that too.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings

Here's the thing; he's a better safety than he is a FS. We need a FS if we are going to pick a safety that high. And there just isn't that guy in this draft (or last year's draft). However, because we did nothing in FA to plug our hole at FS it does make you speculate as to what we're going to do about it in the draft...

 

[OnceARam]

You say far better players but I disagree. CBS has Ha-Ha rated as their 15th best player in the draft. We draft at #13 and that is where need meets value. Are you sure it isn't just because you like another player better? I do that too.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings

It has nothing to do with Johnny Football, if that's what you're insinuating.

 

[Alan]

OnceARam starting a brand new subject:
Here's the thing; he's a better safety than he is a FS. We need a FS if we are going to pick a safety that high. And there just isn't that guy in this draft (or last year's draft). However, because we did nothing in FA to plug our hole at FS it does make you speculate as to what we're going to do about it in the draft...

So you agree with me that we'd be taking him right where he belongs in the draft.

As for your contention that he isn't a good FS I'd have to disagree with that. Ha-Ha played FS at Alabama and became the 15th best player in the draft by being a great FS. Right? So I understand that you don't agree with that but why? Based on what? Do you think the FS position is played differently in college?

 

[tklongball]

yeah thats exactly what I'm talking about they're experts by job description only

You are getting hung up on the term "Expert". By the logic you are using, there has never been an expert hitter in baseball, since nobody has ever succeeded more often then he failed. It is all relative to the difficulty of the task, not the success rate.

 

[Alan]

tklongball sticking his toes in goldfish infested waters:
You are getting hung up on the term "Expert". By the logic you are using, there has never been an expert hitter in baseball, since nobody has ever succeeded more often then he failed. It is all relative to the difficulty of the task, not the success rate.

Welcome to the ROD tk! :lifting: :seizure: :rockon: :cheers:
Good to see you jumping in with both feet. I think you're gonna have a good time.

“No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee.”
― John Donne

 

[jrry32]

think he also had more around him and a better set up in general. I think Bortles has a better skill set for the NFL- stronger arm, taller, and better pocket passer imo. I think Hous will take him.

Disagree. I'd say they were about equal in terms of supporting cast. While DeVante Parker is better than any single WR on UCF, Bortles still had the trio of Worton, Breshad Perriman and Rannell Hall with Jeff Godfrey as a slot WR(I still remember when he was their QB). Bortles also had a pretty good HB combo behind him in Storm Johnson and freshman William Stanback. Bridgewater also had some other solid options in Damian Copeland, Eli Rogers, Senorise Perry and Dominique Brown. I think all in all things were pretty equal.

In terms of skill-set, imo, Bridgewater has the stronger arm. He spins the ball better and has more zip to the sidelines. I also think he's the better passer from the pocket although I'd say both have top tier pocket presence and movement. Bortles is a better thrower on the run though and a better runner.

 

[OnceARam]

So you agree with me that we'd be taking him right where he belongs in the draft.

As for your contention that he isn't a good FS I'd have to disagree with that. Ha-Ha played FS at Alabama and became the 15th best player in the draft by being a great FS. Right? So I understand that you don't agree with that but why? Based on what? Do you think the FS position is played differently in college?

Because he runs a 4.58 40 (not elite speed by ANY stretch of the imagination). That means he'll have trouble making up ground against faster receivers and Vernon Davis. I believe in having a FS that can cover fast tracks of land... in one single bound.

 

[jrry32]

You are getting hung up on the term "Expert". By the logic you are using, there has never been an expert hitter in baseball, since nobody has ever succeeded more often then he failed. It is all relative to the difficulty of the task, not the success rate.

Well, I wouldn't really call guys like Kiper, McShay, Mayock, etc. "experts". I'd call a guy like Mike Martz an expert. But not the draftnik type guys. They're more figureheads than anything imo.

 

[OnceARam]

Well, I wouldn't really call guys like Kiper, McShay, Mayock, etc. "experts". I'd call a guy like Mike Martz an expert. But not the draftnik type guys. They're more figureheads than anything imo.

Martz is QB whisperer. The draftnik guys are more similar to Cesar Millan.

 

[Alan]

OnceARam with this:
a FS that can cover vast tracks of land... in one single bound.

That's certainly a valuable skill to have.