I'm trying to explain how some pretty good receivers are making some pretty good careers, even tho they themselves continue to be plagued by unfortunate drops....
But they arent good receivers nor have they had good careers.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/12570/darrius-heyward-bey He had 1 (you can argue 2) decent seasons out of 7, Thats not a good career imo. Not to mention the other 5 years he had less than 30 recs in each one. yea good stuff.
His career averages per season are: 27.6 rec 389.6 yards 2 tds
http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/10453/ted-ginn-jr Now he was better than DHB but still nothing to brag about. out of 9 seasons, he only had over 500 yards in 3 of them, 2 of which were with the panthers. Now he did have 2 more seasons with 400 yards, but he also had 4 seasons with under 225 yards including 1 season that he had 2 rec for 1 yard total.
His career averages per season are: 28.3 rec 392.6 yards 2.3 tds
I dont get what you think is good about either of those guys stats, but to each his own I guess.
Cuz his speed??Had a good year, but it wasn't because of HIS SKILLS???? what, what...what is that supposed to mean?
Theres been plenty of players over the years that had good years thanks to the system and/or their team more so than to their own skills, exhibit A being ginn
How much better can 15-1 be? oh 16-0...and Superbowl champs...Ginn didn't have any impact on the Panther season...Speed kills...it stretches the field...maybe they wouldn't have went 15-1 if he WASN'T on the team...I'm sure he helped them win several games.
exactly my point, he was on a good team, and I didnt say he didnt have any impact but he wouldnt be even in the top 15 reason why they were good and went 15-1. And maybe they dont go 15-1 without him, but I bet they still finish where they did when its all said and done
The reason he was being regulated to returns is maybe some silly coach didn't know how to USE him properly...
Hes regulated to returns cuz thats what hes good at and teams had other and better options at WRs. And I dont dispute his success at WR is coupled by how coaches use him, which is why I dont think its a coincidence 2 of his best 3 years where with the panthers ( a great coaching staff) but good WRs arent products of systems/coaches.
And yeah, I just compared our 6'3, 220 lb wr to another 6'3, 220 lb wr...the only difference being, he played with some really good OC's that knew how to use him with some decent QB play...And at this point, Tebow...Tim Tebow, has outperformed EVERY QB we've suited up in the last 5 years...except Sam Bradford....Another guy EVERYBODY ON HERE WANTED TO GET RID OF FOR NO GOOD REASON.
Their measurables are the only thing they have in common. Not only is Thomas a far superior route runner, but even though he may have a lot of drops he more than offsets them with the number of catches he does make, something that cant be said for quick.
Hitting a golf ball is FAR easier. But there's only a select few who can do it at a very high level.
Im not sure what hitting a golf ball has to do with anything here, but ill play along. If you can go to a driving range right now and drive 300 yards, you can go to a pro course and still drive 300 yards. Playing at a higher level isnt gonna make you forget how to hit a golf ball. And if you're trying to compare that to catching a football, no matter the level you're playing at, the mechanics to catching a football are still the same. The only the difference is the size of the ball and speed of the pass, and its something you should be able to adjust to as an NFL WR
I'm not defending Quick. IMO, he should be on the bubble. But I think you're grossly underestimating the difficulty it takes to be good at the job and requires much more than just 'putting in the work'. You even mentioned in your previous msg how many 'butterfingers' you see in the NFL. If it's easily fixable, I guess too many WR's aren't putting in the necessary work.
I think playing WR in the NFL is a very tough job, but thats not what Im saying. Im talking about 1 part, which of that whole job which is probably the easiest and thats to catch a football. They have been doing it for 10+ years, and aside from the speed of the ball nothing has changed. Not saying that drops shouldnt happen because even the GOAT dropped passes, but as an NFL WR drops should be a low number for you and if you're known more for your drops than your catches you probably arent very good, which IMO is exactly where Quick is at right now
