GAME DAY TNF - Seahawks at Bears

[Elmgrovegnome]

I've never been a believer in Caleb Williams. He has tons of arm talent, but I just don't think he has the intangibles to be a consistent winner at this level. He wasn't even a consistent wimmer at USC....

Being drafted by Chicago certainly doesn't help his chances, but even in a better situation, I think he ends up mediocre at best. Just my opinion tho...

Didn’t they say on the game that he takes longer to throw the ball than any other QB this season? That’s a bad sign.

One of the major red flags about Caleb Williams before the draft-- he had slow processing speed--a lifelong condition that makes it difficult to take in, interpret, and respond to information. I'm not sure they can fix that.

I was going to mention this. The only way to fix slow processing speeds is to simplify the offense, but that doesn’t work for long against NFL defenses.

 

[LouisvilleRam]

 

[snackdaddy]

thomas jones... i know he is a former rams coach.

But wow utterly lost out there.

Pretty ugly.

Its Thomas Brown. But yeah, his decision making at the end was pretty bad. Hope he didn't have aspirations of being a head coach somewhere.

The most boring game of the year. If I was a seahags fan I wouldn't be giddy about that win. Their defense played an offense that checked out weeks ago. And their offense played a defense that was blown out 3 straight games. The game had more punts than points.

 

[Merlin]

Its Thomas Brown. But yeah, his decision making at the end was pretty bad. Hope he didn't have aspirations of being a head coach somewhere.

Brown has that leadership side going, but his schematic knowledge and decision making on players have always been questionable to me. I fucking hated our RB room under him. McVay loved him but the actual production by that room and decision making as to who is in that room were horse shit when Brown was our RB coach.

And it's not like he did shit at Carolina as OC other than contribute to getting an experienced coach fired. Then the same deal in Chicago. But hey that leadership got him another look, where it is obvious something is missing with the dude.

I'll say again that guys who take to leadership skills quicker than the rest can sometimes outpace their actual knowledge because they get higher positions than they are ready for. This was the case with Jeff Fisher. He jumped too fast and didn't do enough time in the trenches, where the hard lessons are reinforced and build your base of knowledge.

So my take on Brown is get your ass back into a RB room and get that shit right first. Then start taking OC jobs.

 

[TSFH Fan]

Does The Generational Talent have a problem with processing speed or is he gunshy? The latter is coachable.

One or two games after the Notre Dame debacle, one of the local guys, (Ron Pitts?) commented, as a former professional DB, how it looked like that game was still affecting Williams and that Williams was holding the ball too long and not cutting it loose. ND was a 3 int game for Caleb Williams (a very bad game).

Flash forward to earlier this year:


View: https://x.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1856052931126276443


Getting a QB to throw the ball sooner is something that can be coached. Zampese did it with Everett, telling him in practice to turn it loose

Those X's and O's OK for Coach Z : Rams: Offensive coordinator Zampese says he's not interested in becoming a head coach.

Ernie Zampese, a prominent chain-smoker and Ram offensive coordinator, gets some of his best ideas during noon-time runs between cigarettes.

www.latimes.com

Also, it seems like Martz tried to coach another Bears QB to throw the ball sooner than he wanted to:

Jay Cutler Finally Opens Up on Why He Hated Mike Martz

Jay Cutler had a somewhat fiery relationship with former offensive coordinator Mike Martz. For the first time, he finally talked about it.

www.sportsmockery.com

The Generational Talent has only been in the League for one year. It might be too soon for his professional obituary, or not.

 

[JonRam99]

View: https://x.com/i/status/1872496550800441423

 

[Merlin]

Does The Generational Talent have a problem with processing speed or is he gunshy? The latter is coachable.

I figure it is a combination of two things:

1. He is a rookie. Rookie QBs are typically not going to hold it down well enough to win games unless the roster around them is top notch. They're gonna usually learn hard lessons as they fuck up and hurt the team. Williams also is a shorter QB so he's going to need to build his game to overcome that. The Bears actually put good talent around him but it wasn't enough to overcome his adjustment period.

2. The gameplanning is not up to snuff. Imagine prepping all week for an opponent and their tendencies, and then on gameday your opponent is doing different shit than anticipated. This can sink a seasoned QB, let alone an offense run by a rook.

This is outside of the basic question of how much compete is in Williams and whether he's going to bust his ass at this level to become great. And a bunch of other variables. But I'd say if they bring in a good offensive mind he will at some point come around. I think he's good enough to overcome his size deficiencies but we'll see how that goes.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Brown has that leadership side going, but his schematic knowledge and decision making on players have always been questionable to me. I fucking hated our RB room under him. McVay loved him but the actual production by that room and decision making as to who is in that room were horse shit when Brown was our RB coach.

And it's not like he did shit at Carolina as OC other than contribute to getting an experienced coach fired. Then the same deal in Chicago. But hey that leadership got him another look, where it is obvious something is missing with the dude.

I'll say again that guys who take to leadership skills quicker than the rest can sometimes outpace their actual knowledge because they get higher positions than they are ready for. This was the case with Jeff Fisher. He jumped too fast and didn't do enough time in the trenches, where the hard lessons are reinforced and build your base of knowledge.

So my take on Brown is get your ass back into a RB room and get that shit right first. Then start taking OC jobs.

I agree with most of this, but I do think Fisher was a very good defensive mind.

 

[Merlin]

I agree with most of this, but I do think Fisher was a very good defensive mind.

I don't think he ever really finished with top defenses in his short tenure as a DC. Seemed like his units were hit and miss. That stuff just hurts a coach. Best ones are the ones who kicked major ass as a coordinator and can lock one side of the ball down. Fish felt like a guy who needed two top coordinators.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Has there been a worse game to watch recently? Jesus that was some terrible football.

Some would say it was a defensive struggle. Others would call it a football struggle.

 

[Londoner]

Wonder if the Bears’ front office are currently watching LAC v NE and regretting taking Williams over Maye?

 

[Merlin]

Some would say it was a defensive struggle. Others would call it a football struggle.

I love a good defensive struggle type game. But I don't think this one was that.