Three Trade-Downs That Work Under TVC: Do You Like Any Of Them?

[oldnotdead]

The Rams don't need more picks. The Rams need talent that can be found on the second day to fill 3 important positions.

Edge or DT (3T), CB, ILB (The Rams can play AD at weakside edge and Hoecht on the strongside, they would be looking for AD's replacement since he probably will retire in 2024)

All the other needs can be filled with the 6 picks they have in the 5th and 6th rounds.

QB2, PK, P, LS, RB3, WR

Right now Brown is the early down NT with Murchison rotating in on passing downs. Hoecht looks like one edge with Hardy in rotation on either side. Hardy played 41 defensive snaps most in rotation on the strongside. I think the Fangio read react style is what slows the OLB development. It's a reason I've never been a fan of Fangio's read / react style. It works better with veteran players but slows the development of younger players. This was a reason cited by Glenn as a reason for dropping it with the Lions and a reason a lot of teams have transitioned to strictly a one gap attacking 3-4 hybrid front 7. It's also the primary reason for the drop in production by Floyd and Donald. Too many times Floyd was dropping into coverage (taking their best edge rusher out of the attack doesn't seem like a smart move on passing downs) and Donald was hesitating reading the play. Meanwhile, the QB facing a soft secondary had all day to throw on most plays because Gaines was playing a 0T two gap technique.

The fact they got rid of Gaines and Floyd tells me they are going to stick with that loser scheme for their front 7.

 

[ScotsRam]

@AvengerRam have you considered any trade up scenarios with a similar model? Would be intrigued to see what it would take to get us up to somewhere around #31/#32.

I'd take option one you proposed. I like this thread as a talking point.

 

[AvengerRam]

The Rams don't need more picks. The Rams need talent that can be found on the second day to fill 3 important positions.

Edge or DT (3T), CB, ILB (The Rams can play AD at weakside edge and Hoecht on the strongside, they would be looking for AD's replacement since he probably will retire in 2024)

All the other needs can be filled with the 6 picks they have in the 5th and 6th rounds.

QB2, PK, P, LS, RB3, WR

Right now Brown is the early down NT with Murchison rotating in on passing downs. Hoecht looks like one edge with Hardy in rotation on either side. Hardy played 41 defensive snaps most in rotation on the strongside. I think the Fangio read react style is what slows the OLB development. It's a reason I've never been a fan of Fangio's read / react style. It works better with veteran players but slows the development of younger players. This was a reason cited by Glenn as a reason for dropping it with the Lions and a reason a lot of teams have transitioned to strictly a one gap attacking 3-4 hybrid front 7. It's also the primary reason for the drop in production by Floyd and Donald. Too many times Floyd was dropping into coverage (taking their best edge rusher out of the attack doesn't seem like a smart move on passing downs) and Donald was hesitating reading the play. Meanwhile, the QB facing a soft secondary had all day to throw on most plays because Gaines was playing a 0T two gap technique.

The fact they got rid of Gaines and Floyd tells me they are going to stick with that loser scheme for their front 7.

Are you incapable of staying on topic?

 

[AvengerRam]

@AvengerRam have you considered any trade up scenarios with a similar model? Would be intrigued to see what it would take to get us up to somewhere around #31/#32.

I'd take option one you proposed. I like this thread as a talking point.

According to the chart, if we packaged Nos. 36 and 77, that’s 745 points, which is close to the value of pick No. 24 (740).

Historically, though, I believe teams trading up to round 1 tend to overpay.

 

[ScotsRam]

According to the chart, if we packaged Nos. 36 and 77, that’s 745 points, which is close to the value of pick No. 24 (740).

Historically, though, I believe teams trading up to round 1 tend to overpay.

I think where we are now I prefer to keep 36 and 77 versus having no 24. If we were one player away then that would be a different scenario.

 

[dang]

Let’s make it simple. Rams need to come up with a list of all players they would draft at R2.36. If no one is left when it’s their turn trade down to pick up a low R3/High R4. If multiple players are available trade down spots in R2 up to but not to exceed the number of coveted players left. Example: there are still 5 players left on their R3.36 list allows them to trade downs to R2.41 and ensure they still get one of them. Don’t get cute and lose out on them all.

 

[AvengerRam]

I think where we are now I prefer to keep 36 and 77 versus having no 24. If we were one player away then that would be a different scenario.

I agree. The only guy I might consider in such a scenario is Bijan Robinson, but I think he’ll be gone in the first 15 picks.

 

[ScotsRam]

I agree. The only guy I might consider in such a scenario is Bijan Robinson, but I think he’ll be gone in the first 15 picks.

Or Jalen Carter..... someone's still gonna draft him high tho.

 

[OnceARam]

I like your trade down scenarios if we're going to draft offense. If we're going to draft defense, then you stay there and draft BPA Edge.

The RB out of Alabama would be the exception.

 

[AvengerRam]

Here's another interesting one:

Rams trade pick 2:36 (540) and 5:177 (19) to Dolphins
Dolphins return pick 2:51 (390) and 3:84 (170)
TOTAL: Rams 559, Dolphins 560

I like that one. It gives the Rams 4 Day 2 picks instead of 3, while the Dolphins, who lack a first round pick, would get to move up.

 

[dang]

Here's another interesting one:

Rams trade pick 2:36 (540) and 5:177 (19) to Dolphins
Dolphins return pick 2:51 (390) and 3:84 (170)
TOTAL: Rams 559, Dolphins 560

I like that one. It gives the Rams 4 Day 2 picks instead of 3, while the Dolphins, who lack a first round pick, would get to move up.

Again. Only if R2.51 gives the Rams one of their R2.36 prospects. Which I would think is doubtful.

 

[Jacobarch]

I'd argue that it doesn't matter where you draft. It's such a crapshoot there are players to be had in each and every round. Fact is most 1st round talent ends up busting out of the NFL anyway

 

[AvengerRam]

I'd argue that it doesn't matter where you draft. It's such a crapshoot there are players to be had in each and every round. Fact is most 1st round talent ends up busting out of the NFL anyway

If that's your view, I suppose you'd favor trades that add to the number of selections. Stated another way, even if its a crapshoot, its good to have more shots.

 

[Flatlyner]

Let’s make it simple. Rams need to come up with a list of all players they would draft at R2.36. If no one is left when it’s their turn trade down to pick up a low R3/High R4. If multiple players are available trade down spots in R2 up to but not to exceed the number of coveted players left. Example: there are still 5 players left on their R3.36 list allows them to trade downs to R2.41 and ensure they still get one of them. Don’t get cute and lose out on them all.

Well I certainly hope the Bobby Wagner trade down (twice) and losing out on him is fresh in Snead's mind. If you have a stud prospect on the board at your pick, don't get cute. Getting cute gets you Isaiah Pead instead of a HOF MLB.... I considered making a joke about Isaiah's last name, but, it still hurts to mention him.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Well I certainly hope the Bobby Wagner trade down (twice) and losing out on him is fresh in Snead's mind. If you have a stud prospect on the board at your pick, don't get cute. Getting cute gets you Isaiah Pead instead of a HOF MLB.... I considered making a joke about Isaiah's last name, but, it still hurts to mention him.

Stop being so negative!!!

That trade also netted the Rams Rokevious Watkins!

Now you can be Negative, and a little Enraged. Just stop short of Suicidal.

 

[Jacobarch]

If that's your view, I suppose you'd favor trades that add to the number of selections. Stated another way, even if its a crapshoot, its good to have more shots.

Agreed, obviously the rams feel the same way.

 

[snackdaddy]

I gotta think knowing Snead's history he will try to trade down for extra picks. If he does I think something like the #36 for picks in the 50's and 80's would be similar value. Which would give them 4 day two picks. The trick is finding the right trade partner.