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gonna have to pass that bowl over here.... :scream:
You're saying Cooper Kupp isn't an absolute stud? Because a triple-crown winning WR would seem to fit that bill.

You're certainly not going to get the prime prospects at some positions.. but you can still bring in guys who provide the backbone to your program.. as well as true stars.. later in the draft.

There's more than one edge player projected to be available where the Rams draft who could be stars.. a couple of Corners as well.
 

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I would love to see a breakdown of all players drafted or UDFAs that are truly impactful. Meaning so many posters put so much value on the draft. I feel there is too much emphasis on the draft like it is the savior for a team and I believe it's not. Draftees take 2/3 years to develop very rarely do players jump right from college to an impactful player in the NFL like AD, Sauce Gardner, Jamar Chase but most are 1st rounders and that round is no guarantee ask the Raiders with 3 picks in the 1st round and two are out of football and one just landed on another team.
 

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The difference is the quality of the org from the owner down. So yes I expect them to avoid the same collapse. Shit question too tbh.
I agree with this - look at Fisher vs McVay. But to be fair a fantastic QB can make all the difference.
 

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We need to draft better than we usually do, by a lot. The rest of the league gets a draft too, so it’s hard for me to see the draft as an avenue that’s going to solve much. My faith is mainly in McVay and our coaching.
I didn't list the draft alone. Coaching and Health are vital.
 

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I would love to see a breakdown of all players drafted or UDFAs that are truly impactful. Meaning so many posters put so much value on the draft. I feel there is too much emphasis on the draft like it is the savior for a team and I believe it's not. Draftees take 2/3 years to develop very rarely do players jump right from college to an impactful player in the NFL like AD, Sauce Gardner, Jamar Chase but most are 1st rounders and that round is no guarantee ask the Raiders with 3 picks in the 1st round and two are out of football and one just landed on another team.
Immediate impacts aren't the norm, but they can happen with good selections, simple schemes, and a coach willing to give the youngsters a legit shot.
 

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I would love to see a breakdown of all players drafted or UDFAs that are truly impactful. Meaning so many posters put so much value on the draft. I feel there is too much emphasis on the draft like it is the savior for a team and I believe it's not. Draftees take 2/3 years to develop very rarely do players jump right from college to an impactful player in the NFL like AD, Sauce Gardner, Jamar Chase but most are 1st rounders and that round is no guarantee ask the Raiders with 3 picks in the 1st round and two are out of football and one just landed on another team.
Their importance initially comes from them being core ST players, role players on offense or defense, and an occasional starter.

The key is though, those roles are being handled by cheap labor. That is the key and why they are important.

If you can find a rookie that can fill a role as a situational pass rusher, it's much cheaper than bringing in an aging vet for even $3M or $4M a yr.
 

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You're saying Cooper Kupp isn't an absolute stud? Because a triple-crown winning WR would seem to fit that bill.

You're certainly not going to get the prime prospects at some positions.. but you can still bring in guys who provide the backbone to your program.. as well as true stars.. later in the draft.

There's more than one edge player projected to be available where the Rams draft who could be stars.. a couple of Corners as well.
This is why I wish we got more for Ramsey in trade compensation. Would be awesome to have that extra ammo. Hope we hit on our picks.
 

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You're saying Cooper Kupp isn't an absolute stud? Because a triple-crown winning WR would seem to fit that bill.

You're certainly not going to get the prime prospects at some positions.. but you can still bring in guys who provide the backbone to your program.. as well as true stars.. later in the draft.

There's more than one edge player projected to be available where the Rams draft who could be stars.. a couple of Corners as well.
Kupp was definately a diamond, in the dirt pile find.... I just don't see us hitting on say, 5 out of 7 picks that can contribute (like rotate in the first year) and be ready to start/fill in reliably the 2nd year. Could it happen?? Sure... Question is - will it happen?

We'll see....
 

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I don’t believe in luck in the NFL. McSnead were able to turn around a well below average team into a Super Bowl contender in 2 years. And it was pretty masterful imo. I trust they can do it again but it won’t be overnight. As a long time Rams fan I’m willing to give it 2 years. If you’re not willing to come along for the ride you’re either too impatient to be a Rams fan or haven’t been a Rams fan long enough. Either way, feel free to join the ranks of Lions or Jaguar fans as there are plenty of seats on those buses.
How much of the talent was already here when McVay got to the Rams?
AD, Goff, Gurley, Whitworth??

I think a lot of people forget the team wasn’t a wasteland of talent before McVay came onboard.
 

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Kupp was definately a diamond, in the dirt pile find.... I just don't see us hitting on say, 5 out of 7 picks that can contribute (like rotate in the first year) and be ready to start/fill in reliably the 2nd year. Could it happen?? Sure... Question is - will it happen?

We'll see....
My biggest reason for optimism is that this seems to be a draft that very much aligns with the Rams needs.
Lots of good edges and corners and tight ends.. and a few really good centers.

Of course.. you have to hit the picks.
 

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Too early to show McSnead's hand but they do have some plan.

We will know after all is said and done and I hope the hindsight is brilliant.

Right now all we got is the resigning of our backup center and the trading and exit of those we really felt some confidence.

If it becomes apparent in 2024 then I will be fine.........then.

If not then certainly 2023 is going to be rough as well.
 

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Bottom line...we are going to be bad for 3-4 seasons when we will have a top 5 pick and be able to draft a franchise QB.
Add in 3-4 years of growth for the QB. Won't be contenders for 8 years. That is best case scenario.

Flame away........
 

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How much of the talent was already here when McVay got to the Rams?
AD, Goff, Gurley, Whitworth??

I think a lot of people forget the team wasn’t a wasteland of talent before McVay came onboard.

Whitworth was the first big signing when Mcvay arrived. In one offseason he did what Jeff fisher couldn't do in 5, fix the oline and offense.

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Whitworth was the first big signing when Mcvay arrived. In one offseason he did what Jeff fisher couldn't do in 5, fix the oline and offense.

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That's because Fisher was old school. Run, run and run some more. Play good defense. He was used to Eddie George, scrambling Steve McNair and Eddie George. Fisher's idea of a good offense was end each possession with a kick. I wonder how history would have been different had the Rams taken the QB more like McNair, Wentz? Maybe Fisher doesn't get fired in 2016 and we never get McVay? More years of 7-9 to 9-7 bullshit. Or maybe we get McVay anyway and consequently Stafford a couple of years sooner! Nobody knows.

There were some good offensive players McVay inherited. Gurley, Saffold and young inexperienced players like Havenstein, Goff and Higbee. He added Whitworth, Sullivan, Watkins, Woods, Kupp and Everett and quickly developed Goff. The idea the team he inherited was "talented" is revisionist history. They sucked though they had some good players, particularly on defense.

Donald, Brockers, Quinn, Ogletree, Barron, T.Johnson and Joyner. And McVay got rid of 3 of them before 2018.
 

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There is no question many of the moves were to setup for 2024. But to assume that the Rams can't be competitive this year doesn't strike as being true. Sure they got rid of a lot of impact players. That said they still have the best QB in the division, and one of the best WRs in the NFL. The defense and STs took the brunt of the hits. The offense is relatively intact with at least on paper the makings of a decent OL. Noteboom when healthy is a franchise level LT. Jackson showed he can play both OT and OG and projects as the starting RT probably next year because of Havensteins cap number. Allen when he's healthy is a very good center, just ask Stafford and Mayfield. Shelton has proved himself as a starting quality center and a decent OG. The only question is who will start at the other OG position and they have Bruss and Thomas. I actually like Thomas more than Bruss because his athleticism allows them more options in the run game. I watched him while he played at SDSU and he's good. He's got the mobility to pull and to block on the second level both things are what have been missing on the Ram OL for a long time.

The only question mark on the offense is Allen Robinson who wants to be traded. But they will have Kupp, Jefferson, Atwell, Skowronek and Powell. IMO Atwell finally showed he can be a factor in the passing game. With starters of Kupp, Jefferson and Atwell they have 3 receivers who can threaten at all three levels with speed and agility. They have Akers who has shown he's back to form from his injury and Williams who looked like a good complimentary RB.

The defense is where the draft will be focused. They need an edge, CB, and LB with their first 3 picks then P, PK, QB2 in the 5th round, LS, center, RB3 in the 6th round, OL depth and DB in the 7th round.

If Snead hits on his first 3 picks and the P and PK the team will be alright this year. As far as the PK is concerned I still see Gould and Pineiro as the most likely affordable vets who can do the job well. Pineiro IMO is the best value among the vet UFA punters. Signing either Pineiro or Gould is a draft pick saved.

The top 6 needs IMO are edge, CB, LB, P, Pk, and QB2 and can be addressed in the first 6 picks without moving up. So if you are talking only needing half a dozen players to fill key holes then it's not a rebuild. Rebuild is blowing it all up and starting from scratch. Snead is reshaping the team around it's core, something you don't do in a rebuild. Snead is molding a new team around it's core of Stafford, Kupp and AD. In a rebuild you don't have a core of future HOF players.
 

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I'm concerned as well and it's why if Tanner Mckee is on the board at 36 they absolutely have to take him. He's another Philip Rivers type of QB. Not mobile but with a strong arm able to make all the throws and good accuracy. He also is as good at reading defenses.

If he is off the board then I expect them to look for a solid tier 2 type QB2 in the 5th round. If Clayton Tune is on the board I think he will get a hard look by the Rams. He's exactly what they had hoped Wolford was but isn't. Regardless, QB2 IMO is a priority. One good hit in the back and Stafford could be gone for the season if not permanently (i.e. retire). It could be another reason they are clearing cap for next year.
 

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I'm concerned as well and it's why if Tanner Mckee is on the board at 36 they absolutely have to take him. He's another Philip Rivers type of QB. Not mobile but with a strong arm able to make all the throws and good accuracy. He also is as good at reading defenses.

If he is off the board then I expect them to look for a solid tier 2 type QB2 in the 5th round. If Clayton Tune is on the board I think he will get a hard look by the Rams. He's exactly what they had hoped Wolford was but isn't. Regardless, QB2 IMO is a priority. One good hit in the back and Stafford could be gone for the season if not permanently (i.e. retire). It could be another reason they are clearing cap for next year.
I'd prefer Tune or O'Connell later. McKee looks like Sean Manion to me...with admittedly the little that I have watched of his highlights.