The X-Factor: Isaiah Pead to start? Tyson vs Ali.
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Well, Tyson was devastating with his punches..but again, who was he fighting? Ali was fighting the best of the best: Sonny Liston, Joe Frazier, Ernie Shavers, Jimmy Young, George Foreman, and others...I brought up Jimmy Young and Ernie Shavers, because many (including myself) thought Ali lost to both of those guys..But they didn't knock out the Champ, so it is what it is.... Ali was most devastating by using his intelligence...Ali would have nailed Tyson with superior jabs, and would have worn Tyson down for 10-15 rounds..like he was prone to doing with other heavy hitters. I actually didn't like Ali back then..I thought he was a draft dodging loud mouth...But I give the guy his due...he was the greatest I ever saw.
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Come on - think about the heavy weight division over the years. There have been very few times when it wasn't a shambles. Ali fought some outright jokes for fighters. Frazer was a hard punching, slow footed Neanderthal. Ali might have been able to peck at Tyson as he came in and keep him off balance. But that he let Frazer catch him so many times tells me that Tyson would have walked him down and made him hear bluebirds chirping. I used to club fight a bit and was really into boxing. The heavyweight division was always what got the headlines but the fighters really were some of the worst in boxing. And that definitely include the days of Ali.
Go back and watch Foreman fight. The guy was big and had about the slowest punch I've seen to this day. He just had such a thick skull and was so tall that he could launch one of those curling stones he called fists and if you hit him twice on its way in, that was ok for him. Until of course he suddenly looked like someone roofied him.
I couldn't stand Tyson once King got hold of him. But before that, I had never seen anyone with that combination of ability and aggressiveness.
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We are going to disagree..Tyson fought warmed over losers. He was a tiger amoung sheep, no doubt...Forman was slow...lol..yeah..even when he was 40ish, he was kicking heavyweight division Azz in the 90's. As for the FASTEST punch..who was faster Ali or Tyson? You know its Ali....
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Oh I saw Ali too. Granted, I was kinda young, but I remember his style very well.
To me, it comes down to punching power and speed. And I don't think anyone has the chin to take a Tyson hook and stay upright.
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OK, sure. I was a RB, and WR on offense, so when I say that. I'm looking at the yards that he can get. For instance, sometimes, a LB blows through the hole and meets you at the hand off, or the designed play, where you are supposed to go, is walled off, or plugged.
Sometimes, you just have to take the yards that are available, by lowering your pad level, and pushing forward. Sometimes, there is a hole, but it's not where it's supposed to be. It's 2 or 3 gaps farther. Some guys can see this...called vision, and some guys can't.
There are also times, like I saw in the video, where there were possible more yards, but the first down line is in sight. When that happens, you abandon the sight, and lower your pad level. Get the first down...extend the drive. Exception, on 1st or 2nd down, you may explore those, as long as you are still getting positive yards.
A lot of people call seeing the hole, to be an innate ability. I am one of those people. It frustrates me, when i see the whole backside sealed, but the RB just tries to go where the hole is supposed to be. I'll give you an example of the RB who I think is the best at this.... vision, and getting the most out of the play... Arian Foster. The dude wasn't even drafted, because he's not huge, or not super fast. He has great vision. Faulk, had great vision.
Point is, every play is different, and constantly changing in motion, but as a RB, even if it is a 2 yard loss, you take those yards. You don't reverse field, and lose 10. In the majority of those plays, Pead got the most of what the play yielded. You can't ask more. Gurley will give us more. He is a rare player. Size, speed, power, and vision.
Sometimes, when I watch a game, I see a big hole, or seal happening, and the RB just runs up into a clog of players. In that clip, on most of the plays, Pead got the most out of what each play yielded. I didn't see him missing holes, or leaving yards on the field.
Just like a QB, rhythm will help a RB get a feeling for what the defense is trying to do, and what his own OL has a tendency to do. Communication is a key also.
Same applies to a QB, if you can easily rush for a 1st down on a 3rd down, do it. Or if a guy is wide open, even if on a check down, make that throw, instead of a low percentage throw, into a tight window. Don't leave yards on the field.
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I haven't looked it up in a while..but last time I looked, Ali and Floyd Patterson had the fastest jabs in the history the of Heavyweight Division....Ali was a master at so many things, including defense. Tyson relied on the quick knock out, and he was devestating at it...but then again, the best atheletes used boxing as their way out of bad circumstances from the early 1900's to the 1970's. Kids dreamed of being a boxing champ...But not so much in the 80's, 90's until today..the best didn't choose boxing.....This is why (IMHO) Tyson's performance seemed so devastating against lesser competition...
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I agree that Shavers won that fight. An argument could be made that Young won as well. And Leon Spinks? Really? Ali was a great pure boxer when he came to fight. I just don't think he could have fended off a Cus managed Tyson.
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I din't bring up Spinks because Ali was old...He had balance and the best jab I ever saw..Tyson never experienced a jab like that. Ali wasn't a power puncher, yet he had power to knock a guy out. Tyson had a compact, tight punch that just knocked people the eff out. To me, Ali had more skills that should have given him the advantage...Too bad we'll never know.
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Yep. Fun to talk boxing though with someone who was actually around and watched it back in the day.
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Remember Spinks brother?
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You mean shortest title fight in history Michael?
Funny - a bunch of us rented a hotel room and bought pay per view. The pre-fights were all scrambled for some reason then while we were on the phone with the cable company, the main event came on. Barely had time to freshen my drink.
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That man was scared, and ran all the way to the bank. As far as the jab. In shape, Mike, he got inside that, and just flurried on your ass, imposing his will, never waited to eat a jab.
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Man, I wish I had you on the RODcast with me. Woulda been a good conversation.
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I paid so much money for that fight. Between the hotel, the food, and the keg. We rented a room at a Holiday Inn, I think, and there were about 20 people in there. We were all getting geared up for it. Drinking, havin some pizza, getting all excited for it.
And then click, click, BOOM.
Party over.