The "Goff has to step up in year 3" narrative bugs me

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Didnt Cal get better every season when Goff was the QB there? It is only natural that Goff will improve as he gains more experience, he is still quite young. But the bigger picture is the Rams must get better as a team than they were last season, to get that ring. Goff may be a big part of that, but its not all on Goff.
 

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@LesBaker makes a nice case for Goff. He did play very well.

I haven't heard much of that narrative.

I haven't either. It could be the LAChamp effect. He certainly should and can improve in his third year in the NFL (second full year). Goff stated things are slowing down for him. That alone will get him to improve on most of these things listed below. Goff made a lot of good plays last year as did the rest of the Rams team. Expectations for the Rams are division title and deep playoff run. Everyone has to step up their game.

Reading defenses better while going through progressions faster would be something I expect.

Better touch on some passes that he didn't have to throw his hardest. He does tend to throw high some at times.

Throwing on the run. He is cautious so it's a double edged sword when it comes to the off schedule plays. I think Cooks will help with his speed and quickness to get open here. Sometimes he makes bad throws. I'm not sure how much help he got.

Play better against better teams and coming from behind. Finish end of first half drives with TDs.
 

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Rams QB Jared Goff says Sean McVay wants to 'push it' to another level

by Bob Garcia IV | Jun 8, 2018 | 4:27 PM

The Los Angeles Rams took a significant leap forward this past season with their first playoff appearance and NFC West divisional title in well over a decade. Much of this success in Los Angeles was spearheaded by the impressive play of Pro Bowl quarterback Jard Goff under head coach Sean McVay’s offensive scheme.

This has raised the bar of expectations for the 2018 campaign for the Rams to take the next step toward being considered a legitimate Super Bowl contender. This is a notion that Goff confirmed during an interview on NFL Network stating that McVay wants to “push it even further.”

“First of all, he’s super smart,” quarterback Jared Goff told NFL Network analyst Willie McGinest on Wednesday’s edition of NFL Total Access. “He knows what he’s doing. At the same time, though, I think he’s got absolutely no ego and is just trying to help us win.
“Obviously he’s done a tremendous job so far, and so far this offseason you’ve seen his want to push it even further. And we’re right there with him. It’s an exciting time.”

It is still early in the NFL offseason, but it sounds like the Rams are taking on the challenge of building off their tremendous level of success this past year. This has only become more of the mind frame of the organization after making notable acquisitions over the last few months with All-Pro cornerbacks Aqib Talib and Marcus Peters, Pro Bowl defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh, and veteran wide receiver Brandin Cooks.

Los Angeles has the pieces in place for Goff to that couple potential top his production from the 2017 campaign where he finished 1oth with 3,804 passing yards, fifth with 28 passing touchdowns, and fifth with 100.5 passer rating. The 23-year-old’ play should be a big part of determining how this upcoming season will unfold for the Rams.

The culture and mindset that McVay has quickly implemented in Los Angeles may see the team take the next step forward in 2018 toward competing for a Super Bowl.
 

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Yeah thats definitely been put forth, personally i think it’s pretty weak, his growing experience trumps that narrative as it always has with so many great QBs before him

Unless of course you feel he’s Incapable of progressing from the age of 23
It’s not weak, it’s just truth.
Not going to take anyone by surprise.
Where did I say he’s incapable of progressing?
On the contrary.
I think he will continue to grow, think he’s going to be awesome.
But I also believe that his numbers could suffer next year while improving as a player at the same time.
 

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It’s not weak, it’s just truth.
Not going to take anyone by surprise.
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“Not going to take anyone by surprise”

Yeah, pretty sure that cat was out of the bag a quarter of the way thru last season, you really believe opposing defenses didn’t realize what they were dealing with? Of course they’re going to improve, for every measure one needs to countermeasure, Goff and McVay are well aware of this

The McVay in the headset crap was just that, been going on for the oast 20 years, heck just ask Brady (you didn’t mention this but I thought I’d toss it in

I sorta agree with the rest of your post except maybe the last sentence, i expect
Improvement in Goffs numbers as opposing Ds may over focus on Gurley

:cheers:
 

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If there's one thing I specifically remember that he needs to improve on, it's throwing in front of Gurley in the backfield. Gurley frequently had to complete a 360 when catching passes from Goff. Probably lost him a couple of yards each time that happened.
 

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I haven't heard much of that narrative. Technically this is Goff's 3rd season but i still consider 2017 under McVay his rookie year as a professional football QB.

2016 saw him drafted, then watching for 9 games from the sidelines holding a clipboard(which probably resembled a tic tac toe board), and saw him thrust into the final 7 games where an ALREADY legendary bad offense allowed Goff to showcase his skills in how to get sacked, throw picks and fumble away games that didn't need his help in losing anyway.

The narrative we've all heard is how much better he got from 2016 to 2017. Well yeah of course, everyone who was on that 2016 squad that carried over to McVay's team last year got better...because the whole thing was a dumpster fire in 2016.

THIS is Goff's sophomore season as a professional QB. I expect to see that true leap that many other good QB's in their 2nd season take, happen THIS year for Goff.
It's coming...i can FEEL it.
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Listen to Joe Curley for a while...
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“Not going to take anyone by surprise”

Yeah, pretty sure that cat was out of the bag a quarter of the way thru last season, you really believe opposing defenses didn’t realize what they were dealing with? Of course they’re going to improve, for every measure one needs to countermeasure, Goff and McVay are well aware of this

The McVay in the headset crap was just that, been going on for the oast 20 years, heck just ask Brady (you didn’t mention this but I thought I’d toss it in

I sorta agree with the rest of your post except maybe the last sentence, i expect
Improvement in Goffs numbers as opposing Ds may over focus on Gurley

:cheers:
Having an off season to watch film is going to expose a lot more than during year.
Always a huge transition between 1st and 2nd season in most sports.
You seem to be intent on spinning what I’m saying in to a negative when it is nothing of the sort.
It’s the polar opposite.
 

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Even though the league has seen our offense, we won't be stopped. Too many different options out of every look. Every formation we have 3 or 4 calls we can go with based on their look pre-snap.

Our weapons are matchup nightmares so even if we don't win with scheme our players will win their 1 on 1s.

I don't buy the narrative that the league will catch up to McVay this year. His offsense is based on creative misdirection and I think we'll see a bunch of new wrinkles this season.
 

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Even though the league has seen our offense we won't be stopped. Too many different options out of every look. Every formation we have 3 or 4 calls we can go with based on their look pre-snap.

Our weapons are matchup nightmares so even if we don't win with scheme our players will win their 1 on 1s.

I don't buy the narrative that the league will catch up to McVay this year. His offsense is based on creative misdirection and I think we'll see a bunch of new wrinkles this season.
Yeah, it's looking intently at a specific tornado, and thinking you can predict the tendencies of the next one...The rest of the NFL better find a storm cellar somewhere, cuz an F-5 is coming this year..THE GOFFNADO:rockon:
 

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Having an off season to watch film is going to expose a lot more
You seem to be intent on spinning what I’m saying in to a negative when it is nothing of the sort.
It’s the polar opposite.

Lol, Deet... you just had to corner me into another reply...

Im not spinning anything (purposely)

I just don’t buy into “the league has a year to prepare) narrative

Hell, i hope they DO prepare based on last year!

Great QBs improve incrementally (including numbers) I actually expect his PI count to go up as he will more than likely let it rip perhaps a little more than last year, outside of that i fully expect improvement accross the board, and im sure McGoff does too

No use dragging this thread down with a senseless debate between two Goff supporters, lets just see how it plays out

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I haven't heard the step up in year 3 narrative. But, on a related note, like someone else said, part of Goff's pre-draft was that he got better every year at Cal.

FWIW, Football Outsiders did some analysis of Goff, after the Atlanta game and linking the write up from the second Seattle game.

Part 1:
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/any-given-sunday/2018/any-given-sunday-falcons-over-rams

Goff took a major step forward in 2017, one for which it is almost impossible to separate credit and blame between Jeff Fisher's disaster of an offense and Sean McVay's wunderkind designs. This is no damning indictment of Goff's future -- we're 17 games into him being good and he's still learning the quarterback position. As I said, he hit some huge throws in this game. From a scouting perspective, this is the sort of stuff that made him a No. 1 pick despite his time in a spread-focused Cal offense.


But as it currently stands, he's still slightly robotic. He's still reliant on the scheme. He's making throws, but not creating throws. That, and some poor fumble luck, are why the Rams didn't find the defending NFC champions quite as easy as the teams they spanked during the regular season. As we noted a few weeks ago, the Rams had a relatively inconsistent pass offense this year. If McVay could scheme them into big plays, it happened. When it didn't, they were often more solid than good. And, in a playoff bracket this stacked, solid can get you beat.

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Part 2 (the link from "As we noted a few weeks ago" above)
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/any-given-sunday/2017/any-given-sunday-rams-over-seahawks

But the reason the Rams have become a potential No. 1 seed and not just a fringe playoff contender isn't the defense and special teams. We projected the Rams with the 29th-ranked offense, and instead they are sixth. You may have heard about Sean McVay's offensive turnaround, as we are hardly the only outlet to cover it. (I like Doug Farrar's view from the preseason, where he pointed out a lot of the basic things that McVay did to the offense.) Stealing Andrew Whitworth away from a Bengals team that didn't understand his value was also helpful.

But it must be pointed out that McVay's passing offense is streaky, and that this game was another data point in favor of that. The Rams have five single games with a pass offense DVOA of 50% or higher. They now, after this game, have four games with a pass offense DVOA of 10% or lower. Both games against Seattle and Arizona have had the Rams with four of their five lowest pass offense DVOA ratings of the season.
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The drop-off is pretty ridiculous in both phases.

Jared Goff has been reined in fairly well by McVay, but there are still times where the quarterback looks uncertain of his first read. And while Goff now is better at recognizing when he's under pressure and throwing the ball away for a zero-yard gain, he's still not going to create much outside of the structure of the play. Goff spent a lot of the early part of this game throwing balls away under pressure.

Los Angeles is obviously a threat to anyone with how they can win in all three phases of the game, but it's worth thinking about how exploitable Goff is if his division is so keyed into him already. McVay can scheme around and create the easy yards, but Goff isn't the elevator of this offense, he's merely the driver.
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More/related stuff here:
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/film-room/2018/film-room-falcons-defense

Perhaps the most impressive feat by the Falcons was how well they shut down the Rams' passing attack. Atlanta held Jared Goff to 5.5 adjusted net yards per attempt, well below Goff's regular season average of 7.7 adjusted net yards per attempt, which led the NFL this season. Fifth-year cornerback Robert Alford helped lead the charge in this department, as he had one of his best games of the season.

Most teams struggled to defend the Rams this year because they didn't have the personnel and athleticism to match Watkins and Robert Woods in man coverage. This wasn't the case at all for Atlanta. Having two accomplished cornerbacks like Alford and Desmond Trufant gives Atlanta room to be a bit more simple and straightforward in their coverage assignments.

The Rams broke the huddle with a 3x1 trey formation. The Rams have three receiving options on the right side of the formation and one (Watkins) on the left. Since Alford is lined up on the one-receiver side, his assignment is to take Watkins in man coverage.
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This is where Alford's physical gifts give him an edge over most cornerbacks in this situation. He has no problem going step for step down the field with Watkins. Goff further aided Alford by slightly underthrowing this ball.

This is actually an area of Alford's game that has improved since the arrival of Quinn and his coaching staff. In the past, these are plays that would have been huge defensive pass interference penalties, but Alford showed off the patience and discipline he has learned over the years as he waited to bat the ball down.

Limiting Watkins to one catch for 23 yards wasn't all Alford; it was a group effort. Jones had arguably the most impressive play on Watkins at the most critical juncture in the game.

The vast majority of NFL teams don't have a middle linebacker who can match average receivers in man coverage, let alone a good receiver like Watkins. On fourth down late in the fourth quarter, with a potential comeback opportunity on the line, Jones took Watkins in man coverage and had no problem executing his assignment.

One could argue (and many have) that Jones was a little grabby with his coverage on Watkins, but it's an impressive play nonetheless. Jones has emerged into a star in his second NFL season. He's a rare defensive weapon who has no issue covering tight ends, running backs, and even some of the top receivers in the game.
 

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Lol, Deet... you just had to corner me into another reply...

Im not spinning anything (purposely)

I just don’t buy into “the league has a year to prepare) narrative

Hell, i hope they DO prepare based on last year!

Great QBs improve incrementally (including numbers) I actually expect his PI count to go up as he will more than likely let it rip perhaps a little more than last year, outside of that i fully expect improvement accross the board, and im sure McGoff does too

No use dragging this thread down with a senseless debate between two Goff supporters, lets just see how it plays out

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But flv, if we were talking about Fisher's transition from one season to the next, you'd be right. His offense didn't change from year to year. He.ll, he couldn't change at halftime...To think things won't advance and become more developed, is stinkin' thinkin'. The Rams offense will be a revelation to the NFL. Please copy and save this forecast, an let the @ss kicking commence.
 

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Rams will win 13 PLUS games this year.
 

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Well he turned 23 last year, why wouldn’t anyone expect him to not only improve, but improve exponentially, especially considering he’s a student of the game, with a brilliant supporting cast and staff

As for the Defense, this should be a quantum leap over last years

Hell i know im the eternal optometrist, but these Rams are primed for a memorable season
 
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