Tavon Austin works out with Randy Moss

[RamFan503]

This. Not only could they be hugely effective in their own right but also if a DB is having to back off and worry about him running clean past them it would, in theory, make it easier for him to get open on shorter and intermediate routes cus he'd have that cushion.

Exactly what I was thinking. I'm fine with having him run slants and outs but if that is all you are going to do with him, you miss the opportunities I think you moved up to #8 to get. Whatever it takes to get him in space so he can create. I just don't see him as a possession receiver or route runner. Set him some picks, send him deep, mix it up so he's not constantly trying to dance in a crowd.

Lets give him 3 TDs on returns too.

I honestly think that is very doable for him at this level. He just needs more returns where he is turning it up field. I know a lot of those returns he gets are designed to not allow that but it seems he dances too much trying to get that big run rather than head up field and start making people miss. I realize this is pretty simplistic but....

 

[Barrison]

That West Virginia tat on his pec tho.

But on his other one, is that the WB Studios logo??? LOL

I think the 'WB' is homage to West Baltimore man.

 

[WvuIN02]

I don't get the connection. Moss was not a great route runner which is what Tavon needs to work on most. I don't u derstand what exactly, It is that Moss can impart to Tavon to improve his game.

Maybe Tavon just wanted to borrow Randy's Wizinator?

I love internet forum guys pretending to be qualified enough to discuss how someone's route running needs to improve. Hilarious every time.

 

[Legatron4]

I love internet forum guys pretending to be qualified enough to discuss how someone's route running needs to improve. Hilarious every time.

As a matter of fact, some of the guys on here are very intelligent. Just because we're not all NFL coaches doesn't mean we're not "qualified" to judge an important part of a WRs game. It's actually not a difficult thing to see. He has trouble getting open. The first thing you think of is that he should work on his route running. Simple, right? And maybe next time you could say a comment with the sarcasm, mmmkay?

 

[WvuIN02]

As a matter of fact, some of the guys on here are very intelligent. Just because we're not all NFL coaches doesn't mean we're not "qualified" to judge an important part of a WRs game. It's actually not a difficult thing to see. He has trouble getting open. The first thing you think of is that he should work on his route running. Simple, right? And maybe next time you could say a comment with the sarcasm, mmmkay?

Has nothing to do with being "intelligent".

Do you know exactly what he (or any receiver) is supposed to do on every play? If you don't know the exact play call, you don't. You don't know if its a combination route, or if he is supposed to be running the route he is supposed to be running when he sees a certain coverage, etc....an audible....etc....the variables here are practically endless. You are only guessing, and THAT is what makes people look stupid. Period. I've heard coaches point this out many times to idiots in the media dogging a players "route running" and it holds true for internet forum posters too.

Unless you (I'm speaking to the broader "you" of anyone posting on the internet) know what is called in the huddle, you look like an idiot talking about it because you in fact cannot prove anything you are talking about. Just making %$&# up. If so, prove it....but..... we already both know you can't. Unless you have access to the Rams playbook and audio of the calls in the huddle that we don't know about.

 

[lockdnram21]

Nope. I expect more from him in the passing game this year.....

well i think u will be diappointed. i think hes going to be used like sproels and see Bailey more in the slot

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I love internet forum guys pretending to be qualified enough to discuss how someone's route running needs to improve. Hilarious every time.

Its really not that complicated. But we all have our difficulties. It is okay to not understand things, just don't go around trying to make others look stupid because you don't get it. If that is your thing then you do not belong on this forum.

 

[Selassie I]

Being instructed how to "MOSS" a defender by Mr. Moss himself is a Righteous experience.

I Bless this big time.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Has nothing to do with being "intelligent".

Do you know exactly what he (or any receiver) is supposed to do on every play? If you don't know the exact play call, you don't. You don't know if its a combination route, or if he is supposed to be running the route he is supposed to be running when he sees a certain coverage, etc....an audible....etc....the variables here are practically endless. You are only guessing, and THAT is what makes people look stupid. Period. I've heard coaches point this out many times to idiots in the media dogging a players "route running" and it holds true for internet forum posters too.

Unless you (I'm speaking to the broader "you" of anyone posting on the internet) know what is called in the huddle, you look like an idiot talking about it because you in fact cannot prove anything you are talking about. Just making %$&# up. If so, prove it....but..... we already both know you can't. Unless you have access to the Rams playbook and audio of the calls in the huddle that we don't know about.

First thing, calling people idiots or backhandedly calling people idiots isn't tolerated here. If you can't find a way to disagree with another poster without using that approach then you will be jettisoned out of here very quickly.

On topic: It's not just a matter of knowing what routes, it's HOW that route is executed that is in question with T.Austin. Despite his obviously outstanding athleticism, he is not a polished route runner. Rounding off cuts, being able to get separation within a route, tricks of the trade that can "mask" your route etc...these are skills that one can see with the eye test. You don't need to know the playcall in order to see these things.

 

[RhodyRams]

That West Virginia tat on his pec tho.

But on his other one, is that the WB Studios logo??? LOL

 

[tbux]

Has nothing to do with being "intelligent".

Do you know exactly what he (or any receiver) is supposed to do on every play? If you don't know the exact play call, you don't. You don't know if its a combination route, or if he is supposed to be running the route he is supposed to be running when he sees a certain coverage, etc....an audible....etc....the variables here are practically endless. You are only guessing, and THAT is what makes people look stupid. Period. I've heard coaches point this out many times to idiots in the media dogging a players "route running" and it holds true for internet forum posters too.

Unless you (I'm speaking to the broader "you" of anyone posting on the internet) know what is called in the huddle, you look like an idiot talking about it because you in fact cannot prove anything you are talking about. Just making %$&# up. If so, prove it....but..... we already both know you can't. Unless you have access to the Rams playbook and audio of the calls in the huddle that we don't know about.

Well put- often times one person says something like "he cant run routes" and everyone else runs with it. I highly doubt a guy with that much speed and quickness cannot get open. There are so many factors involved and most have no idea. great post. Agreed

 

[RhodyRams]

When my 16 year old wannabe hoodlum nephew moved in with us after dropping out of HS and getting in all kinds of trouble,he had a shirt like this. After a week here he couldn't find it or his Tupac xxxl shirt.My wife threw them behind the washing machine so he wouldn't wear them anymore lol.

He just turned 27,got his GED 6 years ago and is a a certified butcher/meat cutter and runs the dept. at a Big Y in Connecticut

 

[tbux]

There is something to learn from EVERY HOF caliber player. No matter if you are the same size or not. EVERY WR in the game can learn something from a Randy Moss. Im guessing he is going to be used on more go routes etc, knows this, and wanted to learn from the best ever at go routes?? Setting up defenders etc. I like his initiative to try and make himself better. With a better QB, and better use of Tavon (they did say he would be a lot more involved this year) I expect a nice year from him.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Well put- often times one person says something like "he cant run routes" and everyone else runs with it. I highly doubt a guy with that much speed and quickness cannot get open. There are so many factors involved and most have no idea. great post. Agreed

So are you suggesting that Tavon is not required to run routes? Is he so good that he just goes out and improvises? I ask this because most times that I see him run out on a pattern it really looks like a poor attempt at recognizable routes.

 

[tbux]

So are you suggesting that Tavon is not required to run routes? Is he so good that he just goes out and improvises? I ask this because most times that I see him run out on a pattern it really looks like a poor attempt at recognizable routes.

If he couldn't run a route, he wouldn't be on the field. He may not be Ike or Tory polished- but he can run his routes. maybe show some examples of him not being able to run a route? Like WV said, so many factors- knowing the play, and what the defense was doing is helpful. Was coverage rolled to him? There is a big difference between " he cant run routes" and him improving on it.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Has nothing to do with being "intelligent".

Do you know exactly what he (or any receiver) is supposed to do on every play? If you don't know the exact play call, you don't. You don't know if its a combination route, or if he is supposed to be running the route he is supposed to be running when he sees a certain coverage, etc....an audible....etc....the variables here are practically endless. You are only guessing, and THAT is what makes people look stupid. Period. I've heard coaches point this out many times to idiots in the media dogging a players "route running" and it holds true for internet forum posters too.

Unless you (I'm speaking to the broader "you" of anyone posting on the internet) know what is called in the huddle, you look like an idiot talking about it because you in fact cannot prove anything you are talking about. Just making %$&# up. If so, prove it....but..... we already both know you can't. Unless you have access to the Rams playbook and audio of the calls in the huddle that we don't know about.

It really is not difficult to tell if a receiver is running a route well or not, even if you do not know the route he is running. But many people on this forum can see when a guy is not running routes well. What I was referring to more specifically was that he rounds off his routes. He has the ability to cut on a dime but he doesn't use it when running routes. No coach is going to tell him to do that. He is sloppy, probably because he was not required to run precise routes in West Virginias Airraid offense. So if his route running is a bit rough it is to be expected. And we all knew this when he was drafted. Kevin White is in the same boat. They are not the first and wont be the last. The thing is that we all hope that buy year three he has come closer to perfecting that skill.

Questioning what he has to learn from Randy Moss is not so hard to understand. They are two different types of wide receiver, in skill set and build. It would seem more likely that Austin could benefit more from a receiver that was more in line with his particular skillset.

Being sarcastic and saying posters look like idiots only shows that you get upset and jealous, at what you don't understand yourself. It is best to accept your shortcomings and allow people to think for themselves, or disprove them with evidence on the contrary. I will add that referencing that a coach belittling the press for questioning a players ability proves that you don't know a whole lot about coachspeak either. Good coaches defend their players in public and handle their struggles in practices away from the press. No coach worth his salt is going to agree with the press that one of his players sucks. Give me a more thorough argument why myself and so many others on this forum are wrong about Tavon Austin not being very good at running routes and I will listen.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

If he couldn't run a route, he wouldn't be on the field. He may not be Ike or Tory polished- but he can run his routes. maybe show some examples of him not being able to run a route? Like WV said, so many factors- knowing the play, and what the defense was doing is helpful. Was coverage rolled to him? There is a big difference between " he cant run routes" and him improving on it.

Not all NFL receivers can run NFL routes. Brian Quick for example took three years to learn to run them correctly and although he has improved greatly, he still is honing the skill. You could see so many times that he was in the wrong spot when Sam through him the ball. The entire Rams receiving corps struggled with that a few years ago. Receivers that come from certain offenses really are not required to run precise routes in colleges because many offenses don't need it. There are not that many pro style offenses in college anymore. Receivers that play at Georgia Tech for example, are often very raw at route running. College receivers in general are raw at running routes. That is a big reason it often takes three years for them to reach their potential. Getting a polished route runner like Amari Cooper is more the exception than the rule. Those guys don't come along often. I don't understand why this is such a complicated thing for you. I am surprised that you don't see it.

 

[tbux]

If you don't think there is anything for Tavon to learn from a HOF WR- well ok then. Hard to imagine. Carter worked with Moss- not the same skill set at all, yet he learned a ton from Carter. What if Tavon has been told he is going to be running more go routes? who better to learn from? Moss, despite what many think, was a very smart player. You don't get to the numbers he got to without knowing what you are doing. Again, my guess is Tavon is going to be sent deep more often this year, maybe much like how DJack was used in Philly with Foles. Just guessing though. I for one am happy he is trying to better himself.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

There is something to learn from EVERY HOF caliber player. No matter if you are the same size or not. EVERY WR in the game can learn something from a Randy Moss. Im guessing he is going to be used on more go routes etc, knows this, and wanted to learn from the best ever at go routes?? Setting up defenders etc. I like his initiative to try and make himself better. With a better QB, and better use of Tavon (they did say he would be a lot more involved this year) I expect a nice year from him.

I hope you are right. I have been wanting the offense to use Tavon more on the outside running deep all along. However, they didn't do it much. It could be that good cornerbacks are able to jam him and screw up the timing of the route. He looked good doing it against the Colts in 2013.

 

[tbux]

Not all NFL receivers can run NFL routes. Brian Quick for example took three years to learn to run them correctly and although he has improved greatly, he still is honing the skill. You could see so many times that he was in the wrong spot when Sam through him the ball. The entire Rams receiving corps struggled with that a few years ago. Receivers that come from certain offenses really are not required to run precise routes in colleges because many offenses don't need it. There are not that many pro style offenses in college anymore. Receivers that play at Georgia Tech for example, are often very raw at route running. College receivers in general are raw at running routes. That is a big reason it often takes three years for them to reach their potential. Getting a polished route runner like Amari Cooper is more the exception than the rule. Those guys don't come along often. I don't understand why this is such a complicated thing for you. I am surprised that you don't see it.

Well I didn't say he was a great route runner- Im simply saying he isn't nearly as bad as you are portraying. He didn't seem lost like Quick was. He also wasn't given the full route tree, so I think they did the right thing by giving him routes he could run, and I for one don't think he was as bad as you claim. I didn't see a guy lost, or running the wrong route like I did with Quick. Surely he can and will continue to get better at it, but you seem to imply he is terrible at it, which I would disagree with. I agree with your above post for the most part, but I disagree he runs terrible routes and cant get open.