Stop it with McVay

[Reddog99]

I think Mcvay needs an OC. If not Jay Gruden then maybe Mike McCarthy?

 

[Rambitious1]

All this noise about McVay the wonder boy has been figured out is not true. And those that are saying we need to get rid of him now is just plain dumb. First you need to realize that more than half the league is running his offense. Because it’s a copycat league. The last 2yrs teams took 2 good offensive coaches away from us. Leaving us with Waldron as our passing game coordinator. Honestly it’s just time for McVay to hire some new blood coaches that are innovative and creative. It took the whole league 2yrs to figure out Mcvay. And honestly if the line was not a mess and Gurley was healthy I really don’t think they have him totally figured out. This year is hands are tied up because he don’t trust his offense line. Because no trust in the line means less running and that means less play action plays. It’s no coincidence we went from the #1 play action team to almost dead last in play action. McVay has not become dumber folks in less than a year. I know he has a answer for this 6-1 defense teams are throwing at him every week too. I bet when the line gets right we will be just fine. Because right now we suck at run blocking and pass protection.

Quick question for all that want a new coach. Please tell me who we can get that is better?

I completely agree.
TBH I think its more personnel and injuries (O line) than anything else.

 

[dang]

it’s a changing of the guard season with SF and BAL riding the wave. Solid teams like MINN, NO, SEA and NE are hanging in there but my money is BAL for the next 2 years. The question for the Rams is whatcha gonna do to pull the talented pieces together to field a good team next year in that shiny new stadium? The team is playing below average right now.

 

[Ellard80]

The thing I blame McVay for is that he was a part of constructing the degenerative roster filled with unfriendly cap hits.,

McVay has to go through the growing pains all coaches go through. Also a coach is only as good as his roster. Bellicheat was crap in his first seasons and hasn't had a great record or made the playoffs every year.

 

[iamme33]

The business side of this will dictate the change. The shiny new stadium will not bring in paying Rams fans if the product on the field is s%&t.

don't think product on the field will mater as much as one would think because the vistor fans will fill it up.

 

[Corbin]

This is our coach after Bellicheat bent him over his lap and spanked his ass. It seems like that Chicago game last year gave a blueprint to scheme and beat our offense that has been pretty damn effective since.

While I don't believe it's time to dump McVay I am interested to see how he responds to adversity and how long it takes him to adjust to the NFL figuring out his solution. This IMO is what Bellicheat's legacy is (outside of cheating) is he is a master of adjustments in game and preparation of a game.

 

[Dieter the Brock]

Quick question for all that want a new coach. Please tell me who we can get that is better?

I’m available

 

[fearsomefour]

Ways to have success over the long term in the NFL......
Make a great hire at HC.
Stick with said HC through “bad” years (8-8 is not a disaster of a year)
Set a program of attaining players that fit the schemes you run.

Ways to ensure failure long term.....
Dump the HC every few years.
Reset schemes every few years.

 

[fearsomefour]

I’m available

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I spit my coffee with that one.....

 

[AZRams]

it’s a changing of the guard season with SF and BAL riding the wave. Solid teams like MINN, NO, SEA and NE are hanging in there but my money is BAL for the next 2 years. The question for the Rams is whatcha gonna do to pull the talented pieces together to field a good team next year in that shiny new stadium? The team is playing below average right now.

Baltimore is the best team in the league, period. They roughed up the Pats and I don't see them losing to the 49ers next week.

 

[ramsince62]

It's not the coaching. This time around it's the way the team was stacked with flaws that they could not overcome. Snead accelerated the roster last year to take a shot and missed (not blaming him here either). He then gambled with a youth movement on the OL and missed this season (not blaming him here either they had to get younger). Now they have to circle the wagons and adjust this roster to improve the OL with less draft capital.

That's where we are. We have some flaws that are keeping this team from being what they were. Other teams know it, and McVay isn't going to be able to scheme his way out of it.

I guarantee you guys some things here...

1. McVay is going to get to work and address the shortfalls. He is a top competitor and this will make him better.

2. Goff is going to work to improve and will emerge from this season wiser and more capable. Let everyone take a dump all over him now. One of his best traits is resilience and that will keep him from suffering battered QB syndrome.

3. They don't have to fix every problem with the team to get back in contention. Regaining run/pass balance on offense is doable with their resources and the FA market. Finding a CB to pair with Ramsey or at the least improve the top of our depth chart is doable.

As much as I appreciate your optimism I'm afraid the issues and possible solutions are much bigger than that. Hopefully I'll find some time later to elaborate.

In meantime consider the questionable player contracts extended and guarantees involved, add to that the trade selections wasted for the next 2 years and stir in a stadium planned at 1.8 billion with cost over runs amounting to perhaps another 4 billion, sprinkle in the Chargers debacle, coupled by severely limited capital and you begin to get a sense that solving the Rams problems are much greater and constraining from the macro perspective.


IMO, McVay's shinny new toy had a two year shelf life, the retool will be much tougher with issues on multiple fronts.....all IMO of course.

 

[thirteen28]

Well Harbaugh was about to get run outta town last year so maybe patience is the way to go.

The quote above is from the vent thread, but @Flint deserves major props for stating the obvious that so many in their impatience can't see.

Harbaugh (notwithstanding that he's a classless POS like his brother) and his Ravens teams have been up and down since they won the Super Bowl after the 2012 season. They stuck with him, and now he suddenly looks like a genius again.

If you go through an look at all of the coaches in the HOF, you will see that almost all of them had up and down years like this. Chuck Noll had some awful years with the Steelers. Ditto Shula with the Dolphins. The year after the hated 49ers won their first Super Bowl, they didn't even make the playoffs and won only 3 games in the strike-shortened season of 1982 with virtually the same personnel.

It's fine to find fault with McVay's performance as a head coach this year, it's certainly justified. And it's just as fine to say he has a lot of things he needs to work on in the offseason. But the idea that we made a mistake in giving him a long contract and that he should be canned is nothing short of batshit crazy, spewed by a bunch of people that would turn this team into the Browns if their management philosophy prevailed.

I'm quite confident that McVay will take a hard look at his own performance this offseason and that if he is given time, he will get us back to where we were in the two seasons prior.

 

[PhillyRam]

Last year the media called the Rams “all in” for a SB run. They dubbed us this way because big trades and big vet names brought in at a big cost (cap and draft picks). Problem I have is now you’ve gone and traded 2 #1 picks for a corner that will not transfer to winning football. At this rate it may take a few years to “get right” and by then we are deep in on a high priced corner. Not long after that we will be looking to trade him away at a loss, like Peters. Big trade cost for Ramsey, Peters and Cooks will be a huge handicap going forward. Dare you say I lie.

The only one I did not like was Cooks. Should have just tried to draft a few speed guys to fill that role.

Again last night Cooks showed why he is overpaid. The deep shot down the sideline was there, but his size kept him from making a play on the ball. He is being paid like he is Julio Jones... He is not that type of player.

 

[RamFanWA]

I'd like to know how these large, long term contracts affect players and the team. The rams have an abundance of big contracts.... how about the ravens? how many over there are locked up long term for mega-bucks? How many on the first contract in the NFL? How is player performance and motivation affected by the typical contract cycle? (I know if my employer dropped a few million into a guranteed contract on me, my performance might take a dip... I don't really know that - but hey - if my boss reads this - would you like to find out???)!!

 

[thirteen28]

IMO, McVay's shinny new toy had a two year shelf life, the retool will be much tougher with issues on multiple fronts.....all IMO of course.

Do you not remember what he was facing when he took over? We had nobody at WR. Our OL was an absolute mess. And we had a rookie QB who had been knocked around like a pinball. In one season, he turned it into one of the best offenses in the games.

Now he faces the same task with a QB who, while having a down year, has shown he can perform with a good line and good WRs. We just need to mold the OL into a solid unit and make a few schematic adjustments.

 

[Angry Ram]

I'd like to know how these large, long term contracts affect players and the team. The rams have an abundance of big contracts.... how about the ravens? how many over there are locked up long term for mega-bucks? How many on the first contract in the NFL? How is player performance and motivation affected by the typical contract cycle? (I know if my employer dropped a few million into a guranteed contract on me, my performance might take a dip... I don't really know that - but hey - if my boss reads this - would you like to find out???)!!

They have Mark Ingram, Brandon Williams, Earl Thomas, Marshall Yanda (granted he's near the end of his). Then they will also have to sign Lamar, Matthew Judon, and Marquise Brown a few years later.

So no, it doesn't make a difference. Contracts don't play on Sundays. In all my years of following football, I never seen a contract dictate the way a team continues to build. There are always work arounds to getting out of contracts or keeping players.

 

[yrba1]

Knowing Kroenke's pragmatic approach to managing teams, I expect McVay the last person to be axed. I hope he does adapt though, he needs an OC that provides a different approach to the offense, the blemishes of his play calling are clearly exposed and the offense will clearly stall when he gets pass happy or the O-line falters.

McVay's play calling is phenomenal when it's backed by a good O-line but it has structural weaknesses in being dependent on chunk yardage in the passing game; having a gameplan that can at least dink and dunk effectively will mask weaknesses in an O-line. I also want to see more variations in personnel; that magical 11-personnel we ran lost its sheen and we need to put more bodies in the LoS to neutralize defenders.

 

[RamsInfiniti]

It's not the coaching. This time around it's the way the team was stacked with flaws that they could not overcome. Snead accelerated the roster last year to take a shot and missed (not blaming him here either). He then gambled with a youth movement on the OL and missed this season (not blaming him here either they had to get younger). Now they have to circle the wagons and adjust this roster to improve the OL with less draft capital.

That's where we are. We have some flaws that are keeping this team from being what they were. Other teams know it, and McVay isn't going to be able to scheme his way out of it.

I guarantee you guys some things here...

1. McVay is going to get to work and address the shortfalls. He is a top competitor and this will make him better.

2. Goff is going to work to improve and will emerge from this season wiser and more capable. Let everyone take a dump all over him now. One of his best traits is resilience and that will keep him from suffering battered QB syndrome.

3. They don't have to fix every problem with the team to get back in contention. Regaining run/pass balance on offense is doable with their resources and the FA market. Finding a CB to pair with Ramsey or at the least improve the top of our depth chart is doable.

1. Correct
2. Correct
3. Correct

Goff is playing subpar right now, but he will learn. Many excellent QB's have struggling in years 3-6 at times.

McVay - I am hopeful he can adapt. He needs to surround him with a strong offensive coordinator.

 

[Deac]

They just need to get back to being more physical. This team is too finesse. Its like a basketball team that jacks up 3's with no rebounding.

Add a FB... Get some more size at C, get the play action back in the offense that way and they will be fine.

Defensive line needs more athleticism. Donald is on his own. Would like to see the 4-3 again if possible or get some 5 tech DTs that can rush a passer and be stout in the run game.

This here, was just basically repeating this a week ago. We need some big sloppy lineman that when they belch knocks the D Lineman 5 yards back. Get a fullback, lead blocker. Our success seems predicated on play action and we are just not a physical team.

Even under the winning of the last couple years we have never been the , we know its comin, you know its coming, successful run team against elite defenses. We need to be to get this Offense against all defenses. My 2 cents.

I am also a lover of the power run game, so a bit biased