Stan Kroenke hopes he's still got magic touch with QBs

[EastRam]

Who reported that? Is that post-move B.S. somebody came out with or was that reported at the time Khan was trying to buy the Rams? Or did Kroenke want 300 million (sounds low) for his 40%? I think, when looking at what has transpired since GFs death, that Kroenke saw the future and pounced as smart, successful businessmen always seem to do.

I love some of the comments about how he values the buck vs winning, when winning actually brings more bucks. What franchise is more storied, the Browns or the Patriots? Which one is more valuable? Now which franchise is more storied, the LA Rams or the St. Louis Rams? Which one is more valuable right now? And all things being equal, win-wise, which one is more valuable long term?

I can't remember who reported it. I think it was the Post Dispatch and I didnt save the article. It was reported during the time Stanley and Khan went to some NBA game.

Stanley wanted an extra 300 million to go away. On top of his 40%. AT least that's what was in the article. I'm sure there are posters here or on the Herd and Huddle board that remember.

As for the value of the Rams Sure they have more worth now. Just like they increased their worth when they moved "from" LA to St. Louis

Not taking shots at Stan.

Don't have to he is what he is.

 

[MrMotes]

My bad. I should have said give up his right of first refusal. Had Khan paid him the 300 million it was reported he was asking for Not to exercise his right of refusal

I don't remember Kroenke asking for money from Khan. Not saying it didn't happen but do you have a link? Anyone else remember?

 

[EastRam]

Sorry no link but I'll look around. It may have been Burwell?

 

[EastRam]

Found this but not the actual article. Here's this snippet link. And I was wrong it was only 100 million.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_18d09ce1-cbf3-588e-ae90-1515fbf586d8.html

And then the rumors started. Talk radio and sports columnists smelled a conspiracy. Kroenke owns a house in Malibu. He sits on an NFL committee dealing with a new L.A. stadium project. So he's moving the Rams back to L.A. One news article claimed Kroenke asked Khan for $100 million to go away, a form of "greenmail." (The Kroenke camp denied it.)

 

[LesBaker]

It was widely reported that Kroenke wanted greenmail, and it was a douchy move.

Kahn wanted the Rams and ended up with the Jags. I wonder if he would have ended up with Snead and Fisher though had he ended up getting the Rams.

 

[MrMotes]

A rumor that Kroenke denied? That's pretty close to nothing...

 

[EastRam]

A rumor that Kroenke denied? That's pretty close to nothing...

Here ya go...

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/foot...cle_2e34130f-e8d4-5cc7-ac4a-8cb1f805f4be.html

 

[MrMotes]

Thanks. Found the original article here: http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/.../Sources-Kroenke-Seeks-Payment-Over-Rams.aspx

Also from that article:

The idea that the NFL would bend its cross-ownership rule, which as written prevents Kroenke from owning the Rams because he owns NHL and NBA teams in Denver, is extremely unlikely, the sources said. ... A reported Kroenke plan to move the Denver sports assets under his children’s names also seems unlikely to pass muster, these sources said, unless they were actually buying the franchises.

So not sure how good that source is. But you're right, it was reported...

 

[RamzFanz]

Just to be sure I wasn't taking a shot at anybody, just pointing out that any article that's positive to Kroenke is going to be received in a certain fashion.

It looked and felt like a shot to me. It's completely unnecessary to assign false motives to our opinions as if we don't have historical facts to base our opinions on.

My actual motive in initially doubting him other than that this story wasn't told in 17 years?

I don't believe a word he says. Why would I?

Vermeil's word is all I need to accept it as factual, though. That's a man with character. So Kudos to Kroenke for helping us get the GSOT and being humble about it. Good job Kroenke!

 

[RamzFanz]

Thanks. Found the original article here: http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/.../Sources-Kroenke-Seeks-Payment-Over-Rams.aspx

Also from that article:

The idea that the NFL would bend its cross-ownership rule, which as written prevents Kroenke from owning the Rams because he owns NHL and NBA teams in Denver, is extremely unlikely, the sources said. ... A reported Kroenke plan to move the Denver sports assets under his children’s names also seems unlikely to pass muster, these sources said, unless they were actually buying the franchises.

So not sure how good that source is. But you're right, it was reported...

Your quote about owning the other teams just shows the reporter wasn't aware that NFL rules and guidelines are irrelevant when money is talking. They wanted something and nothing else mattered.

 

[RamFan503]

My bad. I should have said give up his right of first refusal. Had Khan paid him the 300 million it was reported he was asking for Not to exercise his right of refusal

IIRR that was a guestimate of what it would take to get Stan to back away. Stan doesn't EVER let details of his negotiations out to the press or out of his negotiating group. The real fact is that with a right of first refusal, you wouldn't step forth and match an offer until you saw that the offer was likely to close. That offer sets the market value of your right of refusal. If the amount is too high, you let the other party buy. If it is within what your projections show as a good price, you exercise your right. No businessman would exercise a right of first refusal without a qualified offer on the table. If no offer from Khan or anyone else, he would have waited until Chip and Lucinda simply had to sell and negotiate a deal with them.

Sorry but there was a lot of "information" bandied about by the likes of Bernie that simply had no basis in reality.

 

[Faceplant]

IIRR that was a guestimate of what it would take to get Stan to back away. Stan doesn't EVER let details of his negotiations out to the press or out of his negotiating group. The real fact is that with a right of first refusal, you wouldn't step forth and match an offer until you saw that the offer was likely to close. That offer sets the market value of your right of refusal. If the amount is too high, you let the other party buy. If it is within what your projections show as a good price, you exercise your right. No businessman would exercise a right of first refusal without a qualified offer on the table. If no offer from Khan or anyone else, he would have waited until Chip and Lucinda simply had to sell and negotiate a deal with them.

Sorry but there was a lot of "information" bandied about by the likes of Bernie that simply had no basis in reality.

Took the words right off my keyboard. Stan let Khan set the market, then executed his right to buy the team at what he considered a good value. Smart....

 

[RamFan503]

Not taking a shot at anyone either just pointing out that Kroenke could have easily been doing these fluff pieces the last five years and earned a little karma. But I understand, his billions weren't at stake at the time. Now that they are I'm sure he'll be the perfect owner who puts winning first.

It also takes a reporter willing to write it. The STL media was ruthlessly against Stan from the onset of the negotiations to buy the 60%. It was my first step in truly being disgusted by Bernie. I'm sure if a reporter wanted to write this kind of story, he would have received comment from Stan.

To be fair though, we are in the honeymoon stages of the LA Rams part 2. If the product on the field sucks, you will probably not see these kinds of articles by LA reporters either.

 

[nighttrain]

no way the Rams suck, even if Goff does not start immediately.they's have Case
train

 

[RamFan503]

no way the Rams suck, even if Goff does not start immediately.they's have Case
train

I agree. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we take the division and more.

 

[EastRam]

IIRR that was a guestimate of what it would take to get Stan to back away. Stan doesn't EVER let details of his negotiations out to the press or out of his negotiating group. The real fact is that with a right of first refusal, you wouldn't step forth and match an offer until you saw that the offer was likely to close. That offer sets the market value of your right of refusal. If the amount is too high, you let the other party buy. If it is within what your projections show as a good price, you exercise your right. No businessman would exercise a right of first refusal without a qualified offer on the table. If no offer from Khan or anyone else, he would have waited until Chip and Lucinda simply had to sell and negotiate a deal with them.

Sorry but there was a lot of "information" bandied about by the likes of Bernie that simply had no basis in reality.

The info about the 100 million didn't have to come from Stanley. It could have been leaked by Khan.

And based on the info now known about the move almost all of it was being reported before the move. Just not many people believed the info.

So even Stanley info gets out.

Chip set the asking price. Shad agreed.

 

[DenverRam]

lol think i will avoid this thread

 

[Psycho_X]

It also takes a reporter willing to write it. The STL media was ruthlessly against Stan from the onset of the negotiations to buy the 60%. It was my first step in truly being disgusted by Bernie. I'm sure if a reporter wanted to write this kind of story, he would have received comment from Stan.

To be fair though, we are in the honeymoon stages of the LA Rams part 2. If the product on the field sucks, you will probably not see these kinds of articles by LA reporters either.

I'd agree with you towards the later stages of his tenure as owner especially the last year. But there wasn't a whole lot of animosity towards stan until that strip of land was bought in LA and even then Demoff blatantly said it was just to push the Lou which it did. Before that it would not have been hard to engage with the media. And I don't include Bernie as legit media. And I'm sure if he wanted to sit down with a national media outlet such as this one it could have happened.

I will take my dislike of the way Stan handled everything to my grave probably and that's fine. I don't hate the man just dislike. Everything could have been handled better by Stan and Demoff without having to lie like they did. And yes, St. Louis could have done more much earlier then they did and shares some blame. But I can't take Stan's sudden media love seriously more than just trying to help his image. He was called silent Stan before he bought the Rams.

Anyway, blah blah blah it doesn't really matter in the long run cause what's done is done.... not trying to poke anything but can't help to be a little snarky at these kinds of articles that are suddenly popping up lol.

 

[RhodyRams]

ok , so if ESK has an eye for QB talent...then WTF were the Rams lacking in said position for the past 10 years?

 

[MrMotes]

Your quote about owning the other teams just shows the reporter wasn't aware that NFL rules and guidelines are irrelevant when money is talking. They wanted something and nothing else mattered.

I think it shows the sources for the original piece might not have known what they were talking about...