Spags

[I like Rams]

I just thought of this, and really surprised I didnt earlier, but it is more evidence that McVay (and Snead) have more say in the D than some may think....but if McVay doesnt mess with the D, why would he (and Snead) value certain positions than others? We know for a fact he doesnt value the LB position, and has never really drafted or brought in a top safety. Why would you handicap a DC by dictating who youre going to pay or draft? The DC you have has to be on board or share the same defensive philosophy you do in order to make that work. We know Snead and McVay value a strong D front and at least 1 elite corner (although they neglected that the last 2 seasons). Snead talked about it recently in an interview, having his "pillars" when it comes to building a team.

 

[So Ram]

At the end of the day, McVay is the head coach and the buck stops with him.

Sort of funny thinking about a rebuttal.

The preseason was run by different DC’s which seemed to be more agresive .

F” - Spags & the chefs

 

[So Ram]

Watching that game last night brought back that old "What could have been?" feeling about Spags time as HC for our Rams. He wasn't ready.

But man, he personifies what I like in a D coordinator. Aggression!

So many ways to say "Prove it" to an offense, but we'd rather say "Go ahead and try to make it all the way down the field without making a mistake". Taking time away from our offense, and tiring out our defense.

I often think what might have been if he didn't try be HC but became a long-time great DC for us instead of the Chiefs.

What FREAKING WORLD are you living in ????

Don’t see any of career as a DC with The RAMS ???

Then you double down on him being a HC hurt his career???

Being in St. Louis & having to figure things out only helped him as a coach for The Future.

Brings me to thinking about Jeff Fisher & Buddy Ryan ?? Plus thinking about Andy Reid’s career.

 

[HighDesertRam]

I could not help but watch that game and think even without Garrett, we have better personnel than the Chiefs. Please for the love of god, blitz a lot more while Garrett is out, and then be creative when he gets back

After watching the Vikings and Chiefs defense, I though the same thing. We have better personnel, why can't our defense play like there's.

 

[JonRam99]

At this point, there's a "I'm playing in a middle school defense" moment coming.

 

[FrantikRam]

I just thought of this, and really surprised I didnt earlier, but it is more evidence that McVay (and Snead) have more say in the D than some may think....but if McVay doesnt mess with the D, why would he (and Snead) value certain positions than others? We know for a fact he doesnt value the LB position, and has never really drafted or brought in a top safety. Why would you handicap a DC by dictating who youre going to pay or draft? The DC you have has to be on board or share the same defensive philosophy you do in order to make that work. We know Snead and McVay value a strong D front and at least 1 elite corner (although they neglected that the last 2 seasons). Snead talked about it recently in an interview, having his "pillars" when it comes to building a team.

Yep I agree. I do think that through 2020, he let defensive coordinators have more of a say.

We turned over half the defense for Wade in 2018. That defense was good enough to win a Super Bowl, so we kept it largely the same in 2019. Then Staley came in 2020 and we had the best defense we've ever had with McVay - I think when he hired Raheem, he kept the principals in place after Staley through both Rah and now Shula.

But I think Staley was a better defensive play caller. Rah did add some interesting stuff.....if you remember, we blitzed Ernest Jones quite a bit during that Super Bowl run to rush five and force one on ones for AD and Von. Once Shula took over, this is where we (and by we I really mean McVay) seemed to embrace the "make them snap it one more time" philosophy. Problem with that is, Shanahan always just wants to snap it one more time.

 

[I like Rams]

Yep I agree. I do think that through 2020, he let defensive coordinators have more of a say.

We turned over half the defense for Wade in 2018. That defense was good enough to win a Super Bowl, so we kept it largely the same in 2019. Then Staley came in 2020 and we had the best defense we've ever had with McVay - I think when he hired Raheem, he kept the principals in place after Staley through both Rah and now Shula.

But I think Staley was a better defensive play caller. Rah did add some interesting stuff.....if you remember, we blitzed Ernest Jones quite a bit during that Super Bowl run to rush five and force one on ones for AD and Von. Once Shula took over, this is where we (and by we I really mean McVay) seemed to embrace the "make them snap it one more time" philosophy. Problem with that is, Shanahan always just wants to snap it one more time.

Shanny's D is all around the opposite of McVays. He puts a huge emphasis on LB and is much more aggressive in all facets. Every now and then we'll have more aggressive games, but all around, the Niners are known for being aggressive for a reason.

Thats why Shanny always wants to snap it one more time. His game plan is death by 1000 cuts and kill the clock. Cant do that if you never get a chance to make another cut.

 

[GoodBadUgly]

What FREAKING WORLD are you living in ????
Shouldn't we all be asking this question? I think it's a simulation that I need to reboot after that 9er game.

Don’t see any of career as a DC with The RAMS ???
I have no idea what this means.

Then you double down on him being a HC hurt his career???
Never said that. I think his not being ready as HC ruined our chance to have him be our DC for years (his current sitch in KC)

Being in St. Louis & having to figure things out only helped him as a coach for The Future.
As a DC, yes I agree

Answers in BLUE above.

 

[So Ram]

Answers in BLUE above.

Well a Serious Reboot for sure.

There goes that 17-0 & Superbowl Champion !!

Now it’s back to AL DAVIS & JUST WIN BABY !!!

I might need to meet up with BubbaRam & put my BEER GOOGLE
!! @-@
- — &

 

[gogoat1]

Spags fired the long time LA Rams equipment manager Hewitt. My brother worked with his nephew and said I was a big Rams fan. So I got surprised with a actual 92 LA Rams practice ball. It had Delpino. Jerry Gray, and Jackie Slater and others on it. It was not done in Sharpie though, ball point pen. Getting hard to read, but its cool and mine.
Fuck Spags.

Some gave me a "chill" for that ?
Nope, fuck Spags. The worst Rams coach of them all. He and his 4 pillars bullshit.
Any real LA Rams fan, who became a fan well before they left should understand why firing one of the last vestiges of The LA Rams in that shit hole of St. Louis, only brought there because of some cheap, Dickerson trading smelly stank hole......... well.... must have become a fan in the St. Louis days. That equipment manager and his family had a LOT of respect from the great Rams players.
Fuck that bitch and fuck Spags.
Kroenke righted a great wrong.

 

[SWAdude]

Some gave me a "chill" for that ?
Nope, fuck Spags. The worst Rams coach of them all. He and his 4 pillars bullshit.
Any real LA Rams fan, who became a fan well before they left should understand why firing one of the last vestiges of The LA Rams in that shit hole of St. Louis, only brought there because of some cheap, Dickerson trading smelly stank hole......... well.... must have become a fan in the St. Louis days. That equipment manager and his family had a LOT of respect from the great Rams players.
Fuck that bitch and fuck Spags.
Kroenke righted a great wrong.

 

[JonRam99]

Some gave me a "chill" for that ?
Nope, fuck Spags. The worst Rams coach of them all. He and his 4 pillars bullshit.
Any real LA Rams fan, who became a fan well before they left should understand why firing one of the last vestiges of The LA Rams in that shit hole of St. Louis, only brought there because of some cheap, Dickerson trading smelly stank hole......... well.... must have become a fan in the St. Louis days. That equipment manager and his family had a LOT of respect from the great Rams players.
Fuck that bitch and fuck Spags.
Kroenke righted a great wrong.

From Google:
Stan Kroenke officially became the full owner of the Rams on August 25, 2010, when NFL owners unanimously approved his purchase of the remaining 60% stake in the team.
• April 13, 1995: Kroenke first became involved with the team by purchasing a 30% minority share to help move the Rams from Anaheim to St. Louis.
• 1997: He increased his minority stake to 40%.
• August 25, 2010: Following the death of previous owner Georgia Frontiere, Kroenke exercised his right of first refusal to buy the rest of the team and secured unanimous NFL approval to become the majority/full owner.
• January 12, 2016: Kroenke later received approval to relocate the franchise back to Los Angeles.

Per this info, it was his involvement & investment that helped move the Rams from Anaheim to the Loo, correct?
Not trying to lock this thread, but saying that Kroenke "righted a great wrong" by moving the team back to LA, when he was instrumental in moving it to the Loo in the first place, can be misleading. I'm no expert in all this drama, I just literally googled this. But, it's there.
Investments can often lead to poor results, and maybe Stan realized that & righted a great wrong that he was partly responsible for? Taking responsibility for one's mistakes is commendable. But blaming everyone else for it all, isn't. Stan was no victim in this.

 

[Coliseum Ram]

From Google:
Stan Kroenke officially became the full owner of the Rams on August 25, 2010, when NFL owners unanimously approved his purchase of the remaining 60% stake in the team.
• April 13, 1995: Kroenke first became involved with the team by purchasing a 30% minority share to help move the Rams from Anaheim to St. Louis.
• 1997: He increased his minority stake to 40%.
• August 25, 2010: Following the death of previous owner Georgia Frontiere, Kroenke exercised his right of first refusal to buy the rest of the team and secured unanimous NFL approval to become the majority/full owner.
• January 12, 2016: Kroenke later received approval to relocate the franchise back to Los Angeles.

Per this info, it was his involvement & investment that helped move the Rams from Anaheim to the Loo, correct?
Not trying to lock this thread, but saying that Kroenke "righted a great wrong" by moving the team back to LA, when he was instrumental in moving it to the Loo in the first place, can be misleading. I'm no expert in all this drama, I just literally googled this. But, it's there.
Investments can often lead to poor results, and maybe Stan realized that & righted a great wrong that he was partly responsible for? Taking responsibility for one's mistakes is commendable. But blaming everyone else for it all, isn't. Stan was no victim in this.

Since the Rams had become "The Clippers" in Los Angeles, by stupidly ceding the Big City to the Raiders in 1982, the move to St. Louis was not only warranted, but EXCELLENT in my eyes.

Then, moving back home to Los Angeles without the stink of the Raiders being there was the Master Stroke by Stan.

All worked out as it should. Rosenbloom/Frontiere's move from Los Angeles to Anaheim was incorrect and started the whole shitshow. This is coming from "an outsider," a lifelong New Yorker.

 

[Rmfnlt]

From Google:
Stan Kroenke officially became the full owner of the Rams on August 25, 2010, when NFL owners unanimously approved his purchase of the remaining 60% stake in the team.
• April 13, 1995: Kroenke first became involved with the team by purchasing a 30% minority share to help move the Rams from Anaheim to St. Louis.
• 1997: He increased his minority stake to 40%.
• August 25, 2010: Following the death of previous owner Georgia Frontiere, Kroenke exercised his right of first refusal to buy the rest of the team and secured unanimous NFL approval to become the majority/full owner.
• January 12, 2016: Kroenke later received approval to relocate the franchise back to Los Angeles.

Per this info, it was his involvement & investment that helped move the Rams from Anaheim to the Loo, correct?
Not trying to lock this thread, but saying that Kroenke "righted a great wrong" by moving the team back to LA, when he was instrumental in moving it to the Loo in the first place, can be misleading. I'm no expert in all this drama, I just literally googled this. But, it's there.
Investments can often lead to poor results, and maybe Stan realized that & righted a great wrong that he was partly responsible for? Taking responsibility for one's mistakes is commendable. But blaming everyone else for it all, isn't. Stan was no victim in this.

In that he had a 30% stake in the team when they moved, he was involved.
Once in STL, he and Frontiere worked on, and got a domed stadium (Edward Jones) and eventually hired Vermiel - who after two tough seasons, hit magical pay dirt with an unknown QB (and the rest is history).

But, as soon as he was able to become majority owner, he planned on moving the team back to LA.

Kroenke's Statements and the Rams' Relocation​

Kroenke's comments and actions regarding the Rams' move have been contentious.

• Initial Assurances — During the Rams' time in St. Louis, Kroenke and NFL officials suggested the team would remain, fostering a sense of stability.
• Relocation Announcement — In 2016, Kroenke announced the Rams' move to Los Angeles, which contradicted previous statements.
• Legal Backlash — The move led to lawsuits from St. Louis, highlighting the broken promises and community impact.
• Public Perception — Kroenke's reputation suffered due to the relocation, as many fans felt betrayed.

He made strong inferences that he would never move the team - even referencing the STL athletes upon which his name was derived to display his loyalty to Missouri and STL:
Enos "Country" Slaughter
Stan "The Man" Musial

Bottom Line: As soon as his accountants crunched the numbers on moving the team to LA and saw the massive profit opportunities, STL became a distant memory.

So, he's in LA now and the richest owner in the NFL (I think?)
Remember, his wealth was not self-made - he married one of the Walton empire children (Ann).

Disclosure: I have never lived anywhere near either LA or STL and have been a Rams fan since 1966 - having experienced all that drama from afar. So, mine is a purely personal opinion. I felt he betrayed the STL fans.

I will never, ever give up the the franchise. But I am not proud of our owner. JMO.

 

[JonRam99]

Rosenbloom/Frontiere's move from Los Angeles to Anaheim was incorrect and started the whole shitshow. This is coming from "an outsider," a lifelong New Yorker.

ahhh.... that makes a lotta sense, when you go back to the first move. Thanks!

 

[gogoat1]

From Google:
Stan Kroenke officially became the full owner of the Rams on August 25, 2010, when NFL owners unanimously approved his purchase of the remaining 60% stake in the team.
• April 13, 1995: Kroenke first became involved with the team by purchasing a 30% minority share to help move the Rams from Anaheim to St. Louis.
• 1997: He increased his minority stake to 40%.
• August 25, 2010: Following the death of previous owner Georgia Frontiere, Kroenke exercised his right of first refusal to buy the rest of the team and secured unanimous NFL approval to become the majority/full owner.
• January 12, 2016: Kroenke later received approval to relocate the franchise back to Los Angeles.

Per this info, it was his involvement & investment that helped move the Rams from Anaheim to the Loo, correct?
Not trying to lock this thread, but saying that Kroenke "righted a great wrong" by moving the team back to LA, when he was instrumental in moving it to the Loo in the first place, can be misleading. I'm no expert in all this drama, I just literally googled this. But, it's there.
Investments can often lead to poor results, and maybe Stan realized that & righted a great wrong that he was partly responsible for? Taking responsibility for one's mistakes is commendable. But blaming everyone else for it all, isn't. Stan was no victim in this.

I care not why Stan moved the team back. Only that he did. Never said a thing about any moral or trust reasons........ why ?
It was a big deal for me when they moved. Lots of people asked me if I still was going to be a fan and I told them all that I did not know. I would only know when I seen them on TV and how I felt. After all, us being fans are nothing more than "feelings". It does not actually mean a thing in your life thats real.
As for the "St Louis" fans getting done wrong ? I could not care less. It got done to us and was as wrong as could be. Only happened because of that filthy bitch. Let St Louis deal with still being fans after the Rams moved back. I think most of them dumped the Rams so were they ever real fans in the first place ?
Feeling bad for St Louis would be like feeling bad for the dude a spouse was having a affair with after she broke it off.
He did right a great wrong. Greed or not, who cares ?
Moving back was a HUGE win. Any way we could get that fixed was good enough for me.

 

[JonRam99]

I care not why Stan moved the team back. Only that he did. Never said a thing about any moral or trust reasons........ why ?
It was a big deal for me when they moved. Lots of people asked me if I still was going to be a fan and I told them all that I did not know. I would only know when I seen them on TV and how I felt. After all, us being fans are nothing more than "feelings". It does not actually mean a thing in your life thats real.
As for the "St Louis" fans getting done wrong ? I could not care less. It got done to us and was as wrong as could be. Only happened because of that filthy bitch. Let St Louis deal with still being fans after the Rams moved back. I think most of them dumped the Rams so were they ever real fans in the first place ?
Feeling bad for St Louis would be like feeling bad for the dude a spouse was having a affair with after she broke it off.
He did right a great wrong. Greed or not, who cares ?
Moving back was a HUGE win. Any way we could get that fixed was good enough for me.

I totally get it. But after the post about the Anaheim move, I think I have a better perspective on this--it was the ANAHEIM move that was the genesis of all this crap. Everybody in LA, Anaheim & the Loo got burned until they returned home--in a PROPER stadium

 

[sloramfan]

sorry rmfnit..

la ramfans were betrayed when they moved to st lou...

i think you are right about st lou fans being told he wanted to stay with the stadium upgrades...

but his demands were pretty expensive for a small market, and opened the door to make the move...

was it his masterplan?,,,, i don't know...

anyways

go rams

slo

 

[dang]

sorry rmfnit..

la ramfans were betrayed when they moved to st lou...

i think you are right about st lou fans being told he wanted to stay with the stadium upgrades...

but his demands were pretty expensive for a small market, and opened the door to make the move...

was it his masterplan?,,,, i don't know...

anyways

go rams

slo

I’ve been a Rams fan since 1971. It was the horns on the helmet and Roman Gabriel that hooked me. I followed them through thick and thin from Los Angeles to Anaheim to St. Louis and back to Los Angeles.
I am very content now that they’re back in Los Angeles with the best stadium in the world and their position as one of the top NFL franchisees.
I’m a firm believer in that which doesn’t break you makes you stronger. As such, while it almost broke me at times my support for the Rams has never been stronger.

 

[Rmfnlt]

sorry rmfnit..

la ramfans were betrayed when they moved to st lou...

i think you are right about st lou fans being told he wanted to stay with the stadium upgrades...

but his demands were pretty expensive for a small market, and opened the door to make the move...

was it his masterplan?,,,, i don't know...

anyways

go rams

slo

I don't recall the amount of negative reactions when they left Anaheim. It felt at that time like the Rams were a second thought in the LA market. Of course, access to media was much less back in those days, so the locals have a much better handle on the mood surrounding the exit to STL.

But I do recall the outpouring of negativity toward Kroenke when he pulled the team out of STL and I seem to recall that the anger was a result of what he said, then what he did. Media coverage was better by then and I read a lot of what went down. Again, I have never lived anywhere near either STL or LA. I just felt bad for the people of STL who, IMO, were betrayed.

So, the knowledge base for me between the two moves is different (my age, access to media) but the move out of STL was clearer to me.

All water under the bridge now... like I said, he got what he wanted - the riches and fame. Can't beat LA for glam!! Sometimes the decent thing to do is the hardest. If he really loved MO and STL like he said - even citing his namesakes - he'd have found a way to stay. He's a very saavy businessman. Would they have hired McVay? Would they have won a SB in STL? Impossible to say - they did win one there, though.

He wanted the $$$ and glam. Hope he's happy. But I'm not a fan (of his).