Run D question

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It’s only been two games but I don’t know what to think of our run D to date this year. One play we look dominant. The next it looks like bad tackling/RB fighting for 3-4 extra yards successfully/bad gap discipline.
What’s going on? Are we that bad or just average? Is this due to the strange training camp and no pre season games?
I keep waiting for the D line to stiffen up...
 

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With AD Imho it's not about the other 2 front guys, but the LBer's who shots the gap and they're young.. Time takes Time jmho.
 

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I think when you play primarily nickel and 3 safety structures as much as we do, we shouldn't expect a great run D. If we had elite LB play and more help up front at NT, then maybe we could still shut down the run. But when AD gets double teamed on every play, we dont really have anyone else to step up and be dominant on the D line against the run. I'd say Brock is average to slightly above average at this point. If we had A'shawn Robinson that would make a huge difference as he's a pure run stopping NT. Kaiser played well in week 2 but I think we're just going to be a below average run stopping team. But if we can be solid against the pass and create turnovers like last week, it shouldn't be a huge deal. Remember in '17 and '18 we had a bad run D, but we scored so many points that it forced teams to abandon the run and pass a lot, playing right into our strengths. If A'shawn comes back and we get T Lewis back soon this D should hit an entirely new level with better run D and more pass rush.
 

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The reality is we likely won't have a good run defense but I do not believe it will be an issue.

KC was ranked 26th against the run last season. 27th in YPC allowed.

Our offense will just have to be dominant like we know they can be.
 

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Yep can't be perfect. Run D is bad bc we have some of the worst ILBs starting. Mean no offense to those guys and hopefully they get better. But it is what it is. Just gotta keep scoring.
 

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I just gotta agree with this strongly.

Micah Kizer is tied for 3rd in the entire NFL in tackles and his improvement just from game 1 to 2 was marked and substantial.

He made plenty of solo tackles that had he not made them, no one else was around for 10 yards or more.

Neither of our ILBs are perfect, but after watching two weeks of football from around the league, they're a far sight from being the worst.

Sorry, just have to disagree in the strongest of terms.

They are young and learning, but already playing better than thought (at least by fans) and making solid plays.

I have lots of faith in our young ILBs and our defense in general.
 

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The Rams don't have enough overall talent on defense to be elite. But I think we can be a solid top 10 defense. The run defense so far this season is better then years past. We know the secondary is strong and Donald disrupts up front. If we had better outside pass rush this defense would be really, really good.
 

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Playing a bend but don't break defense tends to make the run defense look worse than it is. The plan seems to be more about keeping everything in front of the defense and taking away big plays.
 

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I’ve sort of had the same unsure feeling... we seem strong, then not. Hot and cold.

Then again... Zeke is among the best, as is the Dallas offense.

And... Philly... They are a balanced offense, (4.6ypc, 800yds 2019) with Miles Sanders... forcing you to respect the run.

So, two “stronger running teams” there...
 

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I just gotta agree with this strongly.

Micah Kizer is tied for 3rd in the entire NFL in tackles and his improvement just from game 1 to 2 was marked and substantial.

He made plenty of solo tackles that had he not made them, no one else was around for 10 yards or more.

Neither of our ILBs are perfect, but after watching two weeks of football from around the league, they're a far sight from being the worst.

Sorry, just have to disagree in the strongest of terms.

They are young and learning, but already playing better than thought (at least by fans) and making solid plays.

I have lots of faith in our young ILBs and our defense in general.

Sure yes Kiser was DPOW. He was solid, I'll take that back. Maybe it isn't our ILBs... But there is some problem against the run. We are getting gashed. DL maybe. I personally did not want Brockets back he has been here for a while now and our run D has been bad for a while now. We should've used that $ on a different player or 2 maybe?
 

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Memo to Snead: Start drafting typical 3–4 nose tackles i.e. Gilbert Brown, Casey Hampton, Jamal Williams, Vince Wilfork, and Damon Harrison- "big wide bodies who can hold the point of attack and force double teams, with weights ranging from 330 to 350 pounds.
 

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Memo to Snead: Start drafting typical 3–4 nose tackles i.e. Gilbert Brown, Casey Hampton, Jamal Williams, Vince Wilfork, and Damon Harrison- "big wide bodies who can hold the point of attack and force double teams, with weights ranging from 330 to 350 pounds.
Telling Staley he has to change how he runs his defense? Got it :D
 

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The Rams don't have enough overall talent on defense to be elite. But I think we can be a solid top 10 defense. The run defense so far this season is better then years past. We know the secondary is strong and Donald disrupts up front. If we had better outside pass rush this defense would be really, really good.

This argument is the same one people made about the o-line last year. My counter to that is the same I gave last year about the o-line, that it's not the players it's the coaching. Staley plays his defense soft not aggressively so it appears the defense isn't strong. He's got the players to be aggressive and to be successful at it, but he's a newbie DC and is playing very conservative. You can tell especially when you watch the pass rush particularly the outside rushers. They are prioritizing contain not pressure. Compare both Ebukam and Floyd's pass-rushing style last year to now. Both aren't nearly aggressive as they were. That is because they are playing Staley's scheme. If AD doesn't blow up the pass protection then it holds up because Staley doesn't defend the flats so his outside rushers have to be mindful of that.

Just like the o-line was hamstrung by limited blocking options of which only one was installed prior to the season last year so they looked worse than the talent would have reflected. So everyone was saying no talent on the o-line. But look now and you see a completely different unit, with the exact same players. That's the difference coaching and scheme make. O'Connell came in and installed gap, inside zone, and horizontal zone with a vertical concept (vs last year's horizontal concept). The outside zone blocking scheme is a perfect example of what I'm saying. Last year they used almost exclusively the horizontal concept which relies upon the defense not maintaining gap integrity. A vertical concept is far more aggressive, they are pushing the d front back off the LOS creating the holes instead of waiting for them to happen.

Staley's defense is similar to what Kromer did in with the o-line and run attack in 2019. Staley waits for the offense to make a mistake. If they don't they score. His defense being primarily zone doesn't kick in until they are pushed back to their own 40. But then one first down and the offense is in FG range. That IMO is not making use of the level of talent he actually has.

So IMO it's not the lack of talent on the defense, but the scheme that they play up front makes them look bad. I think Staley should line up Brockers at 1T with Hollins as a second JACK opposite Floyd and Kiser over the second A gap. Then on occasional first downs, he should run blitz Young through the A gap opposite Brockers. That will stop those early inside runs. Move Ebukam back to his normal SAM position to cover the flats and turn his outside rushers loose. Kiser can flow to the weak side for contain if necessary.

In the secondary on passing downs, he can man up outside with Ramsey and Williams, and play zone short to mid-range with Kiser, Fuller, and Rapp. He should replace Johnson who has limited range with Burgess who is much faster to play a single high safety shading to Williams's side. They are paying Ramsey a mint to be that man coverage lockdown CB on an island, so play him that way or why are they paying him the big $$?

The bottom line is that it's not the players it's the scheme Staley is playing that makes them look bad. Staley needs to start playing to his player's strengths or an elite offense will rip them up.
 
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