Robert Quinn & Restructuring

[LesBaker]

I disagree on cutting Tavon. The amount we save is only 3 mill for cutting him and no way we go into FA/Draft/OTA's etc. without Demoff trying to drop that cap hit and fix that contract to a fitting amount that he would get elsewhere in the league.

I personally think Tavon's contract after restructure would be worth it on the extra guy he takes up being on the field meaning that Todd Gurley has one guy and maybe 2 guys he doesn't have to worry about. That for me is worth having him on the field.

And also consider this, almost every game we lost last year (5 of 6) was because we didn't do two things. Utilize Gurley, and Tavon had very little snaps on O. Regardless if it shows up on the stat sheet Tavon does create opportunities/space for the other players. That's a statistical fact, we just really to need fix the cap amount/hit of his contract which I'm damn certain they (demoff/Snead) are going to address.

Austin's value is downplayed by people looking at his stats.

In order to see his real value you also have to look at Gurley's stats.

When TA is on the field Gurley racks up more big plays and has a higher YPC by a significant margin.

Gurleys TD catch/run that put the Rams on top of the Cowboys is a perfect example. Austin froze 2 LB's long enough for TG to slip behind them into open space.

He may be overpaid, but he isn't without value and with McVay he is a piece on the chessboard.

No, I think he's going to be a Ram next year on the same contract. If he plays poorly, we'll cut him after 2018.

I've gone back and forth and I'm not sure what the Rams are going to do..........but I suspect he will be here next year at least.

 

[ramfan46]

Keep Quinn and cut Barron. Quinn is the only other credible pass rusher besides Donald at the moment. Hopefully Ebukam rounds into something, but he can't be expected to produce 7-10 sacks based off what we've seen so far. They need a consistent 3rd rusher on the other side. Barwin was a nice mentor, but didn't offer much. Hopefully this is where the 3-4 switch pays off and we can nab a pass rush tweener in the draft.

 

[snackdaddy]

No, I think he's going to be a Ram next year on the same contract. If he plays poorly, we'll cut him after 2018.

Looking at the numbers I'd tend to agree with you. Every team has players that are overpaid. He'll be ours. Although he did come on late so I wouldn't rule out a nice season for him.

 

[fanotodd]

No, I think he's going to be a Ram next year on the same contract. If he plays poorly, we'll cut him after 2018.

I agree. I think that when the dust settles, he'll be lining up as a Ram in week 1, and they'll (the staff) go from there.

I think we can all agree that the 19 sack Quinn is gone and won't be coming back, but $11mil for the 8.5 sacks and numerous pressures/hits Quinn is not that big of an over expenditure; especially when you consider his play down the stretch. If THAT guy is here allseason, he'd be worth it (double digit sacks again?).

 

[wolfdogg]

Austin's value is downplayed by people looking at his stats.

In order to see his real value you also have to look at Gurley's stats.

When TA is on the field Gurley racks up more big plays and has a higher YPC by a significant margin.

Gurleys TD catch/run that put the Rams on top of the Cowboys is a perfect example. Austin froze 2 LB's long enough for TG to slip behind them into open space.

He may be overpaid, but he isn't without value and with McVay he is a piece on the chessboard.



I've gone back and forth and I'm not sure what the Rams are going to do..........but I suspect he will be here next year at least.

Oh I totally agree he has value and if cooper wasn't on the team I'd highly recommend tavons tenure continue, however, cooper has rightfully taken over tavons return duties at a pro bowl level and can be the same or better jet sweep threat. 2 years ago this isnt even a question but currently the reality is cooper is better and much much cheaper. Meanwhile tavon has trade value. Excellent timing to offset a horrible contract.

 

[8to12]

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@flv, Thank you so mush for the detailed answer. It is exactly what I was looking for.

Another question ; Is it true that if Mark Barron were to be Cut, the savings would be 7-Mil if cut in March, but would be 9-Mil Post June 1st?

 

[LesBaker]

Oh I totally agree he has value and if cooper wasn't on the team I'd highly recommend tavons tenure continue, however, cooper has rightfully taken over tavons return duties at a pro bowl level and can be the same or better jet sweep threat. 2 years ago this isnt even a question but currently the reality is cooper is better and much much cheaper. Meanwhile tavon has trade value. Excellent timing to offset a horrible contract.

I agree on Cooper taking him off returns for good but Cooper doesn't have the speed or shiftiness Austin has and that's what scares the defenses. One mistake and it's a huge gain of a TD. Austin has cutting ability that is better than Cooper and that is what scares the defense, he can cut once and be out of reach.

If they got a pick then Cooper can do the jet sweeps, and maybe he would be better. I just know that all the breakdowns I have seen show defenses hesitating and defenders getting led out of position.

 

[Merlin]

And I feel quite confident that he's not going to accept a pay-cut.

Yeah he won't accept a pay cut. He lost playing time as the season progressed and the staff lost faith in him. No way he's going to want to take a pay cut. Just collect his $5M and if the Rams cut him sign somewhere else for another signing bonus of up front money on top of that and in an offense that better fits him, one in which he's not expected to run precise routes to be in the pattern and where they screen him up often and let him do his thing.

And people acting like $3M savings is nothing, if this offseason goes the way I think it will, with AD being paid and them trying to clear space for difference makers, that won't be something to sneeze at. There's a reasonable chance they need $3M and see Pharoh as an acceptable replacement for Tavon for next season.

 

[nighttrain]

Oldschool we aren't talking about his guaranteed $5 mill dollars. We are talking about the cap savings in that post which is $3 mill and he was asking if it could be more, which it is not.

i really dont care what his cap hit is. cut him and gain a roster spot
train

 

[Merlin]

I agree on Cooper taking him off returns for good but Cooper doesn't have the speed or shiftiness Austin has and that's what scares the defenses. One mistake and it's a huge gain of a TD. Austin has cutting ability that is better than Cooper and that is what scares the defense, he can cut once and be out of reach.

If they got a pick then Cooper can do the jet sweeps, and maybe he would be better. I just know that all the breakdowns I have seen show defenses hesitating and defenders getting led out of position.

I disagree Les. People make that argument with the old Tavon in their minds. This Tavon is not nearly as elusive as he was early on, and yet still is a poor route runner.

Pharoh can actually run routes. Plus, even though he gives up speed in spelling Tavon, he'd probably gain more yards over the course of a season doing exactly what Tavon does. Fewer splash plays, ok, but more consistent production. Which, just like the punt returns demonstrate, matters.

 

[LesBaker]

I disagree Les. People make that argument with the old Tavon in their minds. This Tavon is not nearly as elusive as he was early on, and yet still is a poor route runner.

Pharoh can actually run routes. Plus, even though he gives up speed in spelling Tavon, he'd probably gain more yards over the course of a season doing exactly what Tavon does. Fewer splash plays, ok, but more consistent production. Which, just like the punt returns demonstrate, matters.

As used last year the production was consistent though, at least in the running game. From Austin and Gurley both. The perceived threat of a big play or momentum changing touchdown really does effect the defense.

I'm not sure the injury had totally healed up, hammies can be like that. I don't think at his age his speed and shiftiness goes away. He's still young.

This bears watching closely next season, and it will be interesting to see how McVay expands or contracts Austin's role in the O.

 

[I like Rams]

I just watch football.

 

[jrry32]

Yeah he won't accept a pay cut. He lost playing time as the season progressed and the staff lost faith in him. No way he's going to want to take a pay cut. Just collect his $5M and if the Rams cut him sign somewhere else for another signing bonus of up front money on top of that and in an offense that better fits him, one in which he's not expected to run precise routes to be in the pattern and where they screen him up often and let him do his thing.

And people acting like $3M savings is nothing, if this offseason goes the way I think it will, with AD being paid and them trying to clear space for difference makers, that won't be something to sneeze at. There's a reasonable chance they need $3M and see Pharoh as an acceptable replacement for Tavon for next season.

I was talking about Quinn.

 

[dieterbrock]

It’s hard to keep up. Talking Robert Quinn in the Peters thread and this Quinn thread is talking about Tavon. I was thinking about starting a Gurley thread so we could talk Aaron Donald. Lol

 

[RamsOfCastamere]

Robert Quinn will have double-digit sacks in 2018 and I would not be surprised if he has at least 12.

 

[dieterbrock]

Robert Quinn will have double-digit sacks in 2018 and I would not be surprised if he has at least 12.

For the Browns?? Lol.

 

[shovelpass]

For the Browns?? Lol.

So if Quinn does well next season you'd want it to be on a different team?