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[Mojo Ram]

I mean, he’s owned McVay lately even with injuries to many of his players.

Ehh, we don't really know if that's where the ownage lies.
It could be easily argued that Saleh owned McV, or more specifically...Saleh owned Goff.

 

[1maGoh]

Meh.

Seems like it was above Shanny.
But… go on..

https://www.thepublicopinion.com/st...e-reaches-personal-goal-with-49ers/115891544/

It does explicitly state that Lynch fired him. Head coach or GM, those are guys at the same level. It's like a COO and a CTO. One job is more all encompassing, but they both report to the CEO and have different functional areas (one in service to the other). Again, I think the HC has significant input to those kinds of decisions. Now that you're making me think about it more (this is why I like speculation; I get to think and work through stuff, which helps me be smart when I need to) the HC probably (almost certainly) doesn't do the hiring of medical staff, so not having authority over them makes sense. You're probably right there and I was wrong. I will stand by the idea that if a HC has a problem with the medical staff, and can demonstrate that problem like Shanny can, he's going to be able to make changes.

At the end of the day, my point was that the HC is the leader of the football team. The leader is ultimately responsible for everything. If the team has too many injuries, it's the leader's responsibility to fix that, because the leader has to put a good product on the field. No one else can take the blame for that in the end. If it's the turf, it's his responsibility to ensure upper management knows that and fixes it. If it's the medical staff, make sure management knows that and fixes it. If it's the players being signed, make sure they know that and fix it. If it's the way practice is run, change it and fix it. The strength and conditioning coach should be training players according the the HC's desire. The medical staff should be on the same page with the head coach in terms of timelines, recommendations on limitations, etc. If they can't connect and come to an understanding, somebody has to meditate (suboptimal) or somebody has to get replaced. To be clear, the HC shouldn't be dictating medical treatments, but both sides should understand the goal is to get players healthy and get them back on the field. A medical staff that wants to IR everybody with a hang nail (obvious hyperbole is obvious) probably isn't going to get on well with a HC.

 

[Kupped]

My counter would be that injuries happen.
Some players.. key players.. get injured often.
That would seem to be one reason they went out and got Lance.

 

[Kupped]

I’ll add … what the Rams do for preventative practices seems to be waaaay ahead of other teams.

McVay not playing guys in preseason… the tracking they do.. scheduled rest.

They’re DEFINITELY ahead of other organizations on that front.

I know I’m contradicting myself a little.

 

[Flint]

I wouldn’t know what to think if I were a niner fan, other than the SB year they’ve had a losing record since ‘16. To make things worse for them the rams have made the playoffs those years except ‘16. Every year it seems like, Shanny’s a great coach but…, now here they are again in danger of falling out of the race. Their qb situation can’t be the entire reason and even that is up in the air. Everyone talked themselves into the Trey Lance hype when he hasn’t played that much football and it shows. It was year 2 or 3 when Allen finally got it in Buffalo and I don’t know if that clock has even started yet.
Anyway I’m happy to watch them flounder around for the foreseeable future.

 

[So Ram]

I really don't know but I would assume McVay has significant say in the Rams' Training Staff and Reggie Scott's role.

Now the senior medical staff (the doctors and surgeons), I would guess the Front Office has a significant say there.

If your talking about Reggie Scott?

NO!!

That’s not Mcvay’s m.o. though.He works together with The Rams staff.
I don’t know if he fired Aaron Kromer?

Pleasant went to Detroit,but not sure if he had an expired contract?

What I know is if came to Reggie Scott or Sean Mcvay it would be a hard choice for the front office to make a choice.He would have had to have done something REALLY WRONG!!

An example even with someone like a silly punter.It was a group discussion.Les Snead or Mcvay together didn’t make that decision.Kevin Demoff I believe has the Hammer.Stan has the Gauntlet.

The Rams Franchise is in GREAT shape because of the working relationship & people involved.No one is bigger than TEAM.

WE not ME & Mcvay’s pyramid is a thing & a culture.He holds himself accountable & at the Highest Level.

 

[So Ram]

I’ll add … what the Rams do for preventative practices seems to be waaaay ahead of other teams.

McVay not playing guys in preseason… the tracking they do.. scheduled rest.

They’re DEFINITELY ahead of other organizations on that front.

I know I’m contradicting myself a little.

One thing I’ll give credit to Jeff Fisher is he did try to protect players in preseason & training camp.

Reggie Scott has been a BIG part of this.You BET there is research that goes into this.Mcvay made it a thing.

I will always say he F”D UP(RAMS) with not playing the rookies from the season before & cutting John Sullivan. At the very least Les Snead & Sean Mcvay should have at least signed a veteran OLineman as well.

I don’t know how that all went down?
A. Jackson signed with The Rams because they gave him the best chance to be in a good system & make it in The NFL.Same Johnny Hekker,so that thought process also has something to do with Les Snead developing COMP PICKS.Sean Mcvay has brought it all to another level.

 

[Allen2McVay]

If your talking about Reggie Scott? (1)

NO!! (2)

That’s not Mcvay’s m.o. though. (3)
He works together with The Rams staff.
I don’t know if he fired Aaron Kromer? (4)

Pleasant went to Detroit, but not sure if he had an expired contract? (4)
(5) What I know is if came to Reggie Scott or Sean Mcvay it would be a hard choice for the front office to make a choice.

He would have had to have done something REALLY WRONG!!

Did you take your meds today?

(1) ... Since I named Reggie Scott in the first line of my two-line comment, I think it's safe to say I was talking about Reggie Scott.

(2) ... 'No' what? ... You don't think the Head Coach has input on the Training Staff?

(3) ... What's 'not McVay's m.o.'? Focus man!

(4) ... Kromer? Pleasant? ... The thread is about the training and medical staffs ... Not the coaching staff.

(5) ... You actually think it would be a 'hard choice' between Reggie Scott (who is terrific) and Sean McVay!?!

I'm sorry man but this is one of your goofiest posts.

 

[OnceARam]

They aren’t going to fire him. This is a team that had Tomsulo (sp?) as a head coach.

They may replace their GM when it turns out too much was given up for Lance. What a surprise that would be.

 

[OnceARam]

My counter would be that injuries happen.
Some players.. key players.. get injured often.
That would seem to be one reason they went out and got Lance.

Lance is currently hurt. Or at least beat up. I have no point, just a grin at their stupidity.

 

[Flint]

Lance is currently hurt. Or at least beat up. I have no point, just a grin at their stupidity.

Beat up? After a couple games? That doesn’t sound great, then again maybe it does.

 

[RhodyRams]

4) ... Kromer? Pleasant? ... The thread is about the training and medical staffs ... Not the coaching staff.

Actually this thread is about Shanahan and the 9ers

 

[Allen2McVay]

Actually this thread is about Shanahan and the 9ers

You're right.

I should have written that my response/comment was about the training and medical staffs.

The topic of training staffs began with a thought about Shanahan and the Niners' injuries; and their training staff.

From there it went to whether a head coach has control over a team's training staff.

But you are correct that it is a Shanahan/49ers topic-thread.

 

[Kupped]

If you're firing Shanny.. who's your replacement? Where's the improvement?
My bet? You're not likely to do better. I don't see an organization that's lost or a team that is coached poorly.
But the Lance bet is a big one for them and probably needs to pay off, or it could mean the end of Lynch and Shanny (in a couple of years).

 

[Kupped]

Lance is currently hurt. Or at least beat up. I have no point, just a grin at their stupidity.

Yep. If that kid keeps trying to run over NFL players.. he won't last. We'll see if they can coach him out of that, lol.

 

[Kupped]

One thing I’ll give credit to Jeff Fisher is he did try to protect players in preseason & training camp.

Reggie Scott has been a BIG part of this.You BET there is research that goes into this.Mcvay made it a thing.

I will always say he F”D UP(RAMS) with not playing the rookies from the season before & cutting John Sullivan. At the very least Les Snead & Sean Mcvay should have at least signed a veteran OLineman as well.

I don’t know how that all went down?
A. Jackson signed with The Rams because they gave him the best chance to be in a good system & make it in The NFL.Same Johnny Hekker,so that thought process also has something to do with Les Snead developing COMP PICKS.Sean Mcvay has brought it all to another level.

Having Noteboom and Blythe at guard around Allen was, no doubt, a mistake.

No preseason? I don't think that was.
The Rams training staff is ahead of the game... and I think have a perfect partner in McVay.

 

[So Ram]

Did you take your meds today?

(1) ... Since I named Reggie Scott in the first line of my two-line comment, I think it's safe to say I was talking about Reggie Scott.

(2) ... 'No' what? ... You don't think the Head Coach has input on the Training Staff?

(3) ... What's 'not McVay's m.o.'? Focus man!

(4) ... Kromer? Pleasant? ... The thread is about the training and medical staffs ... Not the coaching staff.

(5) ... You actually think it would be a 'hard choice' between Reggie Scott (who is terrific) and Sean McVay!?!

I'm sorry man but this is one of your goofiest posts.

1. No CRAP - Reggie Scott -Like another poster said he has been with The Rams 11 years.

2. Reggie Scott was a Ram before Sean Mcvay & Les Snead both. So
FREAKING NO in REGGIE SCOTT’s case.
If your asking about a HC having a say yes,but again NO !! —we can go into that more if you want.

3.Mcvay’s M.O. is to work as a group & team.He works in a structure in which he realize on other’s opinions.He does have a HUGE say.Give me an example when he hasn’t.

4.Again - just saying the coaches he has trusted in & been Rams he has hired.. - you want to go back to the beginning of when he was hired. Wade Phillips was The MAIN reason
Demoff made that choice.Mcvay knew what was asked of him being a Rookie HC at 30 years of age.

5.Yes- You don’t think that ? Do you know what REGGIE SCOTT has meant to THE RAMS? Do you know ANYTHING about this ORGANIZATION?

6. No apologies needed. Your just in another world if you don’t believe what REGGIE SCOTT means to THE RAMS & THE NFL..

— I guess my biggest question to you would be why would there be a reason to choose ? ONCE again SEAN MCVAY is A LEADER of MEN. REGGIE SCOTT is a HEALER in which The Rams TRUST iN RELY ON.

Just SILLY to think The Rams Organization doesn’t LOVE & RESPECT REGGIE SCOTT as anyone they have on there staff.

 

[So Ram]

Having Noteboom and Blythe at guard around Allen was, no doubt, a mistake.

No preseason? I don't think that was.
The Rams training staff is ahead of the game... and I think have a perfect partner in McVay.

Well in a lot of ways. Experience is experience.Those Reps went to Edwards,Evans, & Demby.I’m cool with that.

Say as you will I believe Noteboom & Allen both needed NFL experience & the only way they were going to get more was through playing time.

Then again if it was a mistake of Blythe & Noteboom at guard that is your opinion. In my opinion Austin Blythe was the better center at the time.He was playing out of position.
He was suppose to be swing guy c/g.
Jamon Brown was suspended both going into 2018 after a playoff run.

He said,she said ? Who really knows,but like I said I will stick to what I know & saw,plus what was said afterwards. There were results as well.
The Truth is The Rams are in a much better situation than then.I also LOVE the new COVID rule on practice squads.I believe it also helps players for promotions,experience & most important players recovery.

 

[Loyal]

I love it when the Niners suck....I sure miss Harbs...

 

[Allen2McVay]

1. No CRAP - Reggie Scott -Like another poster said he has been with The Rams 11 years.

2. Reggie Scott was a Ram before Sean Mcvay & Les Snead both. So
FREAKING NO in REGGIE SCOTT’s case.
If your asking about a HC having a say yes,but again NO !! —we can go into that more if you want.

3.Mcvay’s M.O. is to work as a group & team.He works in a structure in which he realize on other’s opinions.He does have a HUGE say.Give me an example when he hasn’t.

4.Again - just saying the coaches he has trusted in & been Rams he has hired.. - you want to go back to the beginning of when he was hired. Wade Phillips was The MAIN reason
Demoff made that choice.Mcvay knew what was asked of him being a Rookie HC at 30 years of age.

5.Yes- You don’t think that ? Do you know what REGGIE SCOTT has meant to THE RAMS? Do you know ANYTHING about this ORGANIZATION?

6. No apologies needed. Your just in another world if you don’t believe what REGGIE SCOTT means to THE RAMS & THE NFL..

— I guess my biggest question to you would be why would there be a reason to choose ? ONCE again SEAN MCVAY is A LEADER of MEN. REGGIE SCOTT is a HEALER in which The Rams TRUST iN RELY ON.

Just SILLY to think The Rams Organization doesn’t LOVE & RESPECT REGGIE SCOTT as anyone they have on there staff.

You know you're a little Kooky. Right?