Rice reinstated

[fancents86]

As messed up as what he did was, I also think it's just as phucked to demonize this man for one bad drunken mistake. Does anyone realize how much he has helped the community of BMore and his fans?

Rice has raised MILLIONS of dollars through charities for sick children. He organized one of the largest anti bullying organizations and lead Annapolis to organize anti bullying laws. One of his biggest fans is a boy who has terminal cancer, he paid for the families medical bills in there entirety. He has a football camp every summer that is dedicated to disabled children. He has done just about every single charity event the owner of the Ravens has asked him to do, And ironically, he was very active with organizations that helped those who suffer from domestic abuse.

funny how most probably don't even know this, bc noone cares about when someone does good. They would rather kick them while their down to make their own lives feel better. No way can I judge this man on one mistake considering he has helped more people than I will ever be able to in this lifetime, maybe even two life times worth.

 

[Corbin]

As messed up as what he did was, I also think it's just as phucked to demonize this man for one bad drunken mistake. Does anyone realize how much he has helped the community of BMore and his fans?

Rice has raised MILLIONS of dollars through charities for sick children. He organized one of the largest anti bullying organizations and lead Annapolis to organize anti bullying laws. One of his biggest fans is a boy who has terminal cancer, he paid for the families medical bills in there entirety. He has a football camp every summer that is dedicated to disabled children. He has done just about every single charity event the owner of the Ravens has asked him to do, And ironically, he was very active with organizations that helped those who suffer from domestic abuse.

funny how most probably don't even know this, bc noone cares about when someone does good. They would rather kick them while their down to make their own lives feel better. No way can I judge this man on one mistake considering he has helped more people than I will ever be able to in this lifetime, maybe even two life times worth.

"People are great lawyers when defending their own troubles, but even better judges when persecuting others."
Amazing how certain perspectives apply to only others not themselves right? Since he had helped millions upon millions it's ok for him to knock out his gf and drag her around by her hair out of a elevator?

Adolf Hitler helped millions... He also did a few bad things as well I think but since he helped out a lot of people his faults shouldn't be noted.

 

[fancents86]

I never said it was ok, in fact I said it was messed up, but how can I say he's a piece of sh!t or what have you when I can't even compare to the good he has done?

And you obviously never watched the video and only listened to all the other people who have never seen the video either bc he did not drag her out by her hair.

 

[fancents86]

Your analogy was horrendously off base also.

 

[Boffo97]

See as the guy who ruled against the league said ,I think that's arbitrary,it wasn't our sensibilities laid out on that elevator floor ,it was a woman , who would be just as injured if a garbage man knocked her out as she was because a star athlete did it.

I think we need to guard against seeing ourselves as injured parties here just because some people decide to god athletes up on the one hand and then when they let us down we overcompensate and demonize them and want them punished more severely.

Charles Barclay has it right.................because I dunk a basketball doesn't mean I should raise your kids.
Charles Barkley

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/charles_barkley.html#4TufmOxpoVUAmBky.99

Firstly, what Barclay said sounds nice, but denying that he and other pro athletes are influential on our youth won't make it go away.

Secondly, no one's claiming to be the victim or injured party of Ray Rice (not even his new wife, who certainly should be). I simply think that while earning a living is a right, doing so by playing professional football is a privilege. Further, I think that just because Goodell characteristically bungled this matter and Rice escaped appropriate punishment, it doesn't mean that Rice deserves the privilege of playing.

Now, I don't get a vote in this, and indeed, all it will take is one team willing to take a chance on him, but I have every right to maintain that what he did was unacceptable and regard the hiring team as classless. Just as you have the right to disagree.

All this said, Rice might want to be careful what he wishes for. Defenders might, even subconsciously, start going for injury while tackling him rather than playing just to win.

 

[DaveFan'51]

Cardinals: Arizona currently ranks 31st in the league in rushing yards per game and they signed Michael Bush off the street this week, so they are looking for help alongside Andre Ellington in the backfield. Bush wasn’t any more productive than Rice last season, but he does look like a better fit as a more power-oriented back since Ellington has been fairly effective catching passes out of the backfield.

The Cards really need the help!

 

[Mikey Ram]

As messed up as what he did was, I also think it's just as phucked to demonize this man for one bad drunken mistake. Does anyone realize how much he has helped the community of BMore and his fans?

Rice has raised MILLIONS of dollars through charities for sick children. He organized one of the largest anti bullying organizations and lead Annapolis to organize anti bullying laws. One of his biggest fans is a boy who has terminal cancer, he paid for the families medical bills in there entirety. He has a football camp every summer that is dedicated to disabled children. He has done just about every single charity event the owner of the Ravens has asked him to do, And ironically, he was very active with organizations that helped those who suffer from domestic abuse.

funny how most probably don't even know this, bc noone cares about when someone does good. They would rather kick them while their down to make their own lives feel better. No way can I judge this man on one mistake considering he has helped more people than I will ever be able to in this lifetime, maybe even two life times worth.

Personally, I find that statement to be insulting...Take it for what it's worth, I speak only for myself...

 

[RamzFanz]

As messed up as what he did was, I also think it's just as phucked to demonize this man for one bad drunken mistake. Does anyone realize how much he has helped the community of BMore and his fans?

Rice has raised MILLIONS of dollars through charities for sick children. He organized one of the largest anti bullying organizations and lead Annapolis to organize anti bullying laws. One of his biggest fans is a boy who has terminal cancer, he paid for the families medical bills in there entirety. He has a football camp every summer that is dedicated to disabled children. He has done just about every single charity event the owner of the Ravens has asked him to do, And ironically, he was very active with organizations that helped those who suffer from domestic abuse.

funny how most probably don't even know this, bc noone cares about when someone does good. They would rather kick them while their down to make their own lives feel better. No way can I judge this man on one mistake considering he has helped more people than I will ever be able to in this lifetime, maybe even two life times worth.

...and in those two lifetimes, how many women will you knock out and drag around by the feet?

"One of the touching moments since I've owned the team -- knowing that this is our charitable gala tonight -- Aaron came into my office, a little teary-eyed, and presented me with a check for $50,000 to go to the Myra Kraft Giving Back Fund," Kraft said. "I said 'Aaron, you don't have to do this, you've already got your contract.' And he said 'No, it makes me feel good and I want to do it.' "Arron" is Arron Hernandez.

OJ did domestic violence charity work too. Adrian Peterson raised money for child abuse victims.

Doing good things doesn't erase bad things. One has its rewards and the other has its punishments.

 

[fancents86]

I never said it was ok, in fact I said it was messed up, but how can I say he's a piece of sh!t or what have you when I can't even compare to the good he has done?

And you obviously never watched the video and listened to all the other people who have never seen the video either bc he did not drag her out by her hair.

...and in those two lifetimes, how many women will you knock out and drag around by the feet?

"One of the touching moments since I've owned the team -- knowing that this is our charitable gala tonight -- Aaron came into my office, a little teary-eyed, and presented me with a check for $50,000 to go to the Myra Kraft Giving Back Fund," Kraft said. "I said 'Aaron, you don't have to do this, you've already got your contract.' And he said 'No, it makes me feel good and I want to do it.' "Arron" is Arron Hernandez.

OJ did domestic violence charity work too. Adrian Peterson raised money for child abuse victims.

Doing good things doesn't erase bad things. One has its rewards and the other has its punishments.

Never said good erases bad, or bad erases good. Point is Ray Rice was a model citizen before this incident. Yet you never heard anything about it. Now he is labeled every negative word in the dictionary bc of one action. Why is that? You're also comparing a murderer to someone who was intoxicated and hit his wife. I get what you're saying but there IMO there is no comparison to a guy who killed multiple people from one who hit is wife on one occasion.

And he never dragged her out by her feet. Not sure where you guys are getting your info from.

 

[Corbin]

And you obviously never watched the video and only listened to all the other people who have never seen the video either bc he did not drag her out by her hair.

Hair, arm, leg, under shoulders, fireman carry...does it really matter? Doesn't it change the fact he's a POS.

Btw you see the faces of the people when they see him dragging her out? Some peoples kidsalm:

 

[fancents86]

It does matter, it matters a lot. If it didn't you would have never painted that picture.

As a fireman though, I'll keep that in mind next time I'm dragging someone out of a fire

 

[OnceARam]

First time offender. Has paid his dues / served his sentence. Let the man play football. Colts make sense.

 

[Prime Time]

Some of you need to stop insinuating that there are members here who are in favor of domestic violence or see it as not such a big deal. I've read every post in this thread and no one here as implied any such thing.

So what should society do with Ray Rice, throw him on the trash heap of life? Destroy his reputation and hound him mercilessly? Is this how we treated Leonard Little? If his wife forgives him and the NFL and the legal system is done with him. then that should be enough. And yes, I've seen the video and find his actions reprehensible.

As far as him being signed by the Rams, no thanks. Not because of what he did but because we have younger running backs with a greater upside than him. Not to mention what he would cost us.

 

[Boffo97]

Never said good erases bad, or bad erases good. Point is Ray Rice was a model citizen before this incident. Yet you never heard anything about it. Now he is labeled every negative word in the dictionary bc of one action. Why is that? You're also comparing a murderer to someone who was intoxicated and hit his wife. I get what you're saying but there IMO there is no comparison to a guy who killed multiple people from one who hit is wife on one occasion.

You're making a big assumption about it being the first and only time Rice did something wrong. When someone has the capability of being an abuser, it tends to be serial unless they get help for it. I truly doubt that was the first time something like that happened. It was just the first time there was proof.

As a fireman though, I'll keep that in mind next time I'm dragging someone out of a fire

Even with a winky face, this was a pretty silly thing to say.

First time offender. Has paid his dues / served his sentence. Let the man play football. Colts make sense.

Just because Goodell once again screwed up doesn't mean he paid his dues.

So what should society do with Ray Rice, throw him on the trash heap of life? Destroy his reputation and hound him mercilessly? Is this how we treated Leonard Little?

There is a profound difference between Ray Rice and Leonard Little. Little did something stupid. He drove while intoxicated. Stupid and reprehensible and unfortunately something far too common in the NFL. Unfortunately, he had far worse luck after his offense than many of his peers did.

Rice DELIBERATELY hurt someone he claims to love despite a massive size difference.

I think Rice should have a right to have a life. Unfortunately, I don't think that life should include the privilege of playing professional football. So I neither choose marking the matter over and done nor not letting the man have any life at all. There is a middle ground there.

 

[-X-]

At this point, I'd be for signing Rice, Vick, and Adam Jones if it means we make the playoffs. My values are such that everyone deserves a second chance, and oftentimes a third chance. For me to condemn anyone - after the live I've led in my 20's and early 30's - would make me the biggest hypocrite alive. Sign that fucker and have him split carries with Tre.

 

[Prime Time]

There is a profound difference between Ray Rice and Leonard Little. Little did something stupid. He drove while intoxicated. Stupid and reprehensible and unfortunately something far too common in the NFL. Unfortunately, he had far worse luck after his offense than many of his peers did.

Rice DELIBERATELY hurt someone he claims to love despite a massive size difference.

I think Rice should have a right to have a life. Unfortunately, I don't think that life should include the privilege of playing professional football. So I neither choose marking the matter over and done nor not letting the man have any life at all. There is a middle ground there.

You bet there's a profound difference between Little and Rice. Little's "stupidity" cost someone their life. On top of that he was busted driving while being intoxicated again after that.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/rams/2004-04-26-little-charged_x.htm

Playing in the NFL is not a right but a great privilege offered to a small percentage of players. Little got to resume his career as did Michael Vick, as well as others who broke the law and were reinstated. How about if Goodell comes up with a reasonable plan that treats every player the same way?

For me to condemn anyone - after the live I've led in my 20's and early 30's - would make me the biggest hypocrite alive.

Exactly. Mete out the punishment deserved and then let people live their lives in peace.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Point is Ray Rice was a model citizen before this incident. Yet you never heard anything about it. Now he is labeled every negative word in the dictionary bc of one action. Why is that?

You fuck one goat.

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[Thordaddy]

Firstly, what Barclay said sounds nice, but denying that he and other pro athletes are influential on our youth won't make it go away.

Secondly, no one's claiming to be the victim or injured party of Ray Rice (not even his new wife, who certainly should be). I simply think that while earning a living is a right, doing so by playing professional football is a privilege. Further, I think that just because Goodell characteristically bungled this matter and Rice escaped appropriate punishment, it doesn't mean that Rice deserves the privilege of playing.

Now, I don't get a vote in this, and indeed, all it will take is one team willing to take a chance on him, but I have every right to maintain that what he did was unacceptable and regard the hiring team as classless. Just as you have the right to disagree.

All this said, Rice might want to be careful what he wishes for. Defenders might, even subconsciously, start going for injury while tackling him rather than playing just to win.

I guess I have to say it AGAIN, yes you have a right to feel and say what you do , in fact I have the same right , are you trying to say that my dissenting would somehow deny you that "right"?

And BTW I also dissent from the it's a privilidge to play meme , they earn their way in one of the most Darwinian work places in the world , if it was such a privilege they wouldn't be paid the extreme amounts you conjure. Ray Rice has one superior skill with which to provide for his family in addition he may well be currently suffering from CTE, there has been a strong connection established between it and domestic violence .

I fail to see how if a team gives him a chance ,especially one that included the sort of pledges that team made as outlined (wouldn't have to be a part of his contract if indeed the union wouldn't allow ) that giving him that sort of opportunity wouldn't be a way of making a bad situation better.

You don't have to agree with me Boff you have the right , as do we all .

 

[Alan]

fancents86 out of whole cloth:
Point is Ray Rice was a model citizen before this incident. Yet you never heard anything about it.

And he never dragged her out by her feet. Not sure where you guys are getting your info from.

I don't know what kind of man he was before this incident but what you really mean is that he's never done this kind of thing before that you know of. So he just woke up one day and developed the tolerance and desire to beat his wife up? He was never an entitled mean drunk before?

You're right that he never dragged her by her feet. He just kicked them aside. No problem there eh?

 

[Boffo97]

You bet there's a profound difference between Little and Rice. Little's "stupidity" cost someone their life.

By accident. If you want to throw Little to the wolves, then you need to do so to every other one out there who DUIs. As you say, consistency.

Whereas, again, Rice's actions were all deliberate.

On top of that he was busted driving while being intoxicated again after that.

And he was acquitted of it. The arresting officer's partner and officer at the station both testified the the officer acted inappropriately.

Playing in the NFL is not a right but a great privilege offered to a small percentage of players. Little got to resume his career as did Michael Vick, as well as others who broke the law and were reinstated. How about if Goodell comes up with a reasonable plan that treats every player the same way?

If Goodell can do anything reasonably, it'll be news to me. But Rice's slap on the wrist was hardly appropriate to the situation, and while I agree we shouldn't be playing this card on each other, any team who signs him is going to be seen as thinking his actions aren't that big a deal.

But if he comes back and someone takes out his knees, don't expect me to weep too much.