Rams vs Ravens SNAP COUNT

[Tano]

Woods has at least one in the Super Bowl at the beginning. Reynolds as well. Then the two by Cooks, all of which can be debated ad nauseum. Suffice it to say all of which other possession WR’s could arguably have come down with.

I think Woods had a drop last year as well vs the Packers but I’ll have to double check. Not to diminish his impact to the Rams because he has otherwise been awesome.

Higbee also dropped a TD vs Atlanta.

Just making the point that sure handed WR’s are critical in the post season. We need more physicality and less finesse. Which. I think we are moving towards.

Yeah both Higbee and Watson dropped perfect passes by Goff against Atlanta

 

[Merlin]

Hard to imagine the chemistry improving that much mid season and into the playoffs. He will be effective, but there will continue to be miscommunications. If you listen to his postgame presser, OBJ said it's been very challenging picking up this offense with none of the foundational off-season instruction. Everything has been on the fly, and he said McVay has added almost 100 new plays the last few weeks. Can you imagine how much his head is spinning? He's been doing an amazing job all things considered. And every new opponent, means new wrinkles and new plays will be added. So hard to see him fully catching up until next year IMO.

Just his presence in the redzone has been immense tbh. McVay's always struggled in the redzone. This year's team feels like it might be able to turn that around and Odell (as well as Michel) is a big factor in that.

 

[Merlin]

Yeah both Higbee and Watson dropped perfect passes by Goff against Atlanta

Jesus dude. How much Goff is enough for you.

 

[dang]

Yes and well deserved. I do think it's more and more important now for him to run the right routes but even with him fucking up the occasional route and the risk that brings we're a far more dangerous offense with him in there.

That 4th down catch... I honestly don't know if anyone other than Kupp could make it. Even with Kupp that one would have been iffy. Odell's hands are insanely good.

Also while I'm thinking about it... For Skow to start making key catches for this team is a hell of a thing for when he was drafted and him being a rookie. Van's undoubtedly lost some snaps due to some iffy hands. With Skow I always feel good when that ball is heading to him. Really happy with how he's coming around.

Agreed. OBJ is the strong handed red zone target we’ve been missing since Sammy Watkins.

 

[TexasRam]

Interesting to see Skow's snaps climb. Nothing against Van, but I do like having a big, strong WR in the lineup.

As for Gaines, what a fucking warrior. Man, his ascension during the second half of this season has supercharged our DL rotation. With ARob and SJD coming back, and AD continuing to be AD I really like what we have on the frontline going into the postseason.

For sure. Gaines is a monster. The three headed beast of Donald, Ashawn and Gaines is so stout vs the run not to mention the pass rush push. Post season will come to exploiting our soft zone on short passes, particularly over the middle where 51 and 24 live.

 

[MachS]

Just his presence in the redzone has been immense tbh. McVay's always struggled in the redzone. This year's team feels like it might be able to turn that around and Odell (as well as Michel) is a big factor in that.

Exactly! We haven't had that physical presence at RB in the red zone since Gurley. I think Akers is very physical, but idk Sony just runs through people and always seems to fall forward and get extra yards. He's been super impressive to me.

Not to mention having OBJ and Kupp both in the redzone is trouble for defenses. OBJ route running and hands seems pretty impossible to stop, and Kupp is Kupp. Check out this insane stat I saw last night regarding OBJ's production in LA through 7 games. And again...he doesn't know this whole offense yet and still gets confused at times, yet is still dominating in the red zone.


View: https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1477746814115852298?s=20

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Yea first thing I noticed too. Very interesting splits. Skow is the better blocker for sure, but man to have him already pushing Van's snap count doesn't exactly bode well for Jefferson. We spent 2nd round picks on Jefferson and Tutu and there's a legit chance both end up underwhelming.

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Van still had more targets and receptions. That could just be due to an extra year in the offense.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

So if OBJ is the number 2 receiver then it’s likely that he is the one that ran the wrong route, designed to get the corner (Clark) pulled further from Higbee. It likely prevents the pick six.

 

[MachS]

Van still had more targets and receptions. That could just be due to an extra year in the offense.

Yea true but my point is Van is in his 2nd year and should be taking a big jump forward and seizing the 3rd WR role. He's been pretty solid this year, but for Skow as a rookie to almost be matching his snap count this late in the year, to me is a little indictment on Van Jeff. Skow was hurt for a big portion of this season too, dont forget that. I just wish Van was balling out to the point where Skow never saw the field. But he's the better blocker, so makes sense from that standpoint. I just hope Van isn't underwhelming in McVay's eyes right now. Because Tutu and him were both 2nd round picks and need to produce.

 

[Tano]

Jesus dude. How much Goff is enough for you.

We were talking about WRs dropping passes in the playoffs and just responding.

Get off the high horse

 

[Tano]

So if OBJ is the number 2 receiver then it’s likely that he is the one that ran the wrong route, designed to get the corner (Clark) pulled further from Higbee. It likely prevents the pick six.

Looking at the play, I really believe like a few others have posted on here, that OBJ was supposed to take his man out deeper.

Would have been a good play if he had been able to do that.

 

[Merlin]

So if OBJ is the number 2 receiver then it’s likely that he is the one that ran the wrong route, designed to get the corner (Clark) pulled further from Higbee. It likely prevents the pick six.

Stafford still has to own that one tbh. He's gotta be more careful. McVay is just trying not to erode too much of his competitive spirit I think, but I am sure that's another point of emphasis they'll be working on.

Bottom line here is will 9 do enough in the playoffs. I think there's a good chance he will. I'd rather have him than a lot of other QBs in this year's playoffs. QB is not really my concern at this point even though I know he's gotta play better.

Also while I'm thinking about it maybe McVay needs to increase Stafford's warmup reps pre-game. The guy is used to slinging it a million times a game, so maybe get him in the zone with more throws pre-game or something. Would be nice to start the game with him in that mode he gets into where he's on.

 

[OldSchool]

Jesus dude. How much Goff is enough for you.

He'll be brought up until people stop getting upset at the very mention of his name most likely. Maybe even longer like forever since he was a QB who took the Rams to the Super Bowl

 

[Merlin]

He'll be brought up until people stop getting upset at the very mention of his name most likely. Maybe even longer like forever since he was a QB who took the Rams to the Super Bowl

It'll be longer than that for some. Guess the ignore function is the answer.

 

[Angry Ram]

It'll be longer than that for some. Guess the ignore function is the answer.

OR.

YOU can be on someone's ignore list. Believe me, that can be a godsend. LOL.

 

[OldSchool]

It'll be longer than that for some. Guess the ignore function is the answer.

I think I have 1 active user ignored and it's funny I'll see you quote him sometimes and be like wtf is Merlin talking about? A couple users who aren't active anymore from the relocation saga one from each side of it were just annoying as all hell.

Most of the Goff/Stafford talk doesn't bother me, though there are a couple that won't ever stop bringing Goff up one good one bad. The only people that bother me are the couple people that always talk bad about him in the GDT or other threads then complain when other people bring him up. It's like wait you bring him up a lot but others can't?

 

[MachS]

Stafford still has to own that one tbh. He's gotta be more careful. McVay is just trying not to erode too much of his competitive spirit I think, but I am sure that's another point of emphasis they'll be working on.

The 2nd INT was a bad decision, that one I put on him. And originally the first one I did too, but when you go back and watch it, all three WRs are in the same area. And after McVay confirms someone ran the wrong route it makes sense why. If OBJ keeps up the field deep, it clears out that defender completely from driving on the ball. Should Stafford have seen it? I mean when you're throwing with anticipation, you're releasing the ball earlier than you are if you're "waiting to see it." Maybe he should've double hitched and held onto the pass, but once you start your throwing motion its hard to not throw it.

He's made a lot of questionable throws and decisions the last few weeks, there's no doubt about it. But I think this is an example where the average fan thinks its 100% on the QB and I bet a decent amount of the time its not. I know for a fact there have been two other INTs on throws to OBJ down the field that were due to them not being on the same page. Really hope OBJ is back next year so we can see them work on the same page.

 

[OldSchool]

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[Elmgrovegnome]

Stafford still has to own that one tbh. He's gotta be more careful. McVay is just trying not to erode too much of his competitive spirit I think, but I am sure that's another point of emphasis they'll be working on.

Bottom line here is will 9 do enough in the playoffs. I think there's a good chance he will. I'd rather have him than a lot of other QBs in this year's playoffs. QB is not really my concern at this point even though I know he's gotta play better.

Also while I'm thinking about it maybe McVay needs to increase Stafford's warmup reps pre-game. The guy is used to slinging it a million times a game, so maybe get him in the zone with more throws pre-game or something. Would be nice to start the game with him in that mode he gets into where he's on.

I have trouble laying too much blame on Stafford on that one. If the play is run correctly its an easy completion for a first down. The call was right too. It was a quick play. It didn't leave much time for observation when the routes are so short. At some point for an offense to be effective everyone needs to know their job. I guess since Beckham is new and doesn't know the playbook completely then McVay better narrow things down to what he does know for certain. But its not just OBJ. Van Jefferson has made some route mistakes and this is his second year. Skowronek gets a pass n being a rookie. Stafford did own it but so did OBJ according to Jourdan. We alk know that these mistakes cannot happen in the playoffs

I think I have 1 active user ignored and it's funny I'll see you quote him sometimes and be like wtf is Merlin talking about? A couple users who aren't active anymore from the relocation saga one from each side of it were just annoying as all hell.

Most of the Goff/Stafford talk doesn't bother me, though there are a couple that won't ever stop bringing Goff up one good one bad. The only people that bother me are the couple people that always talk bad about him in the GDT or other threads then complain when other people bring him up. It's like wait you bring him up a lot but others can't?

I had about a dozen added. The Goff hate accusations got ridiculous. You could barely utter his name without people getting pissed off. I went back in and unblocked most of them now that the Goff fervor has died down a bit.

The 2nd INT was a bad decision, that one I put on him. And originally the first one I did too, but when you go back and watch it, all three WRs are in the same area. And after McVay confirms someone ran the wrong route it makes sense why. If OBJ keeps up the field deep, it clears out that defender completely from driving on the ball. Should Stafford have seen it? I mean when you're throwing with anticipation, you're releasing the ball earlier than you are if you're "waiting to see it." Maybe he should've double hitched and held onto the pass, but once you start your throwing motion its hard to not throw it.

He's made a lot of questionable throws and decisions the last few weeks, there's no doubt about it. But I think this is an example where the average fan thinks its 100% on the QB and I bet a decent amount of the time its not. I know for a fact there have been two other INTs on throws to OBJ down the field that were due to them not being on the same page. Really hope OBJ is back next year so we can see them work on the same page.

I guess OBJ admitted that he ran it wrong. In those situations, down near the end zone when a pass rush is expected to be coming, it is so vital for receivers to be in the right spots. We can alk see that teams will be trying to exploit this in every game.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Yea true but my point is Van is in his 2nd year and should be taking a big jump forward and seizing the 3rd WR role. He's been pretty solid this year, but for Skow as a rookie to almost be matching his snap count this late in the year, to me is a little indictment on Van Jeff. Skow was hurt for a big portion of this season too, dont forget that. I just wish Van was balling out to the point where Skow never saw the field. But he's the better blocker, so makes sense from that standpoint. I just hope Van isn't underwhelming in McVay's eyes right now. Because Tutu and him were both 2nd round picks and need to produce.

Right now, both seem to have been drafted earlier than they should have. Van may be better than Josh Reynolds was for the Rams but not really by a lot. His body catches bother me. As the son of an NFL receiver and coach, he should have catching with his hands down just as well as being able to write his name. It should be automatic.