Rams PSL's to be among the highest

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The $2.6-billion stadium Rams owner Stan Kroenke is building in Inglewood will be the world’s costliest venue with a ticket pricing plan that would offer the most expensive seats in NFL history.

According to a document obtained by The Times, the highest priced personal seat licenses for Rams games could range from $175,000 to $225,000 per seat. It would far eclipse the $150,000 PSLs offered by the Dallas Cowboys at AT&T Stadium.





http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-
sp-rams-psl-20170831-story.html
 

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Just one more reason I won't be making the 2,348 mile drive to home games.
 

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Thats only the "highest priced" PSLs. We know they will give a tremendous break in PSL price to fan Joe 6-pack......because it's LA!:rolllaugh::yay::yess:
 

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I hope they don't sell but there are always stupid people with entirely too much money. PSL's IMO are the worst idea in sports history.
 

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I was sent, via e-mail, a questionnaire from a third party investigating for the Rams, about what amount I would be willing to pay for a PSL. It started at about 10K and I kept declining the amounts and I think it got as low as $2,500 and I still said too much. I would have to buy one seat and sit in the nosebleeds, but you never know, maybe I will. I actually love the current Rams home games as you can go to any game for a reasonable amount. Fights and all, it's the Rams baby!
 

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I was sent, via e-mail, a questionnaire from a third party investigating for the Rams, about what amount I would be willing to pay for a PSL. It started at about 10K and I kept declining the amounts and I think it got as low as $2,500 and I still said too much. I would have to buy one seat and sit in the nosebleeds, but you never know, maybe I will. I actually love the current Rams home games as you can go to any game for a reasonable amount. Fights and all, it's the Rams baby!

LOL. I did exactly the same thing. Basically just low-balled every choice to send the message "Keep it cheap, Stan!".

I truly haven't decided my breaking point, but at this time intend to pay the PSL ransom. Hope they don't blow it by setting the price too high. Hopefully, the corp suites make enough dough to placate SK.
 

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It's a 3 billion dollar stadium designed to price out all the assholes who go to games to pick fights. I'm not shocked.
 

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It's a 3 billion dollar stadium designed to price out all the assholes who go to games to pick fights. I'm not shocked.
"All the assholes".......really? Segregation by $$$$? What a message. Of course no one is shocked just spread the cheeks.
 

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"All the assholes".......really? Segregation by $$$$? What a message. Of course no one is shocked just spread the cheeks.

Yeah dude, the guys that go to a game just to pick a fight are assholes. Rams don't want those people, why would they? Ruins the experience for others, and makes going to a game not family friendly.

If you go to a game and a fight happens to break out, then it happens to break out. If you go to a game looking for a fight, then you're just an asshole.

The NFL doesn't want those people, and figure that raising the price will price them out, because you're less likely to go to a game and start fights if the ticket is more expensive.
 

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LOL. I did exactly the same thing. Basically just low-balled every choice to send the message "Keep it cheap, Stan!".

He won't keep it cheap, he's going to keep it as high priced as he can.

Hopefully, the corp suites make enough dough to placate SK.

@bnw beat me to it, there isn't enough money to placate SK.

It's a 3 billion dollar stadium designed to price out all the assholes who go to games to pick fights. I'm not shocked.

Technically the stadium and the rest of the buildings are 2.8BIL and the stadium portion is 1.8BIL I think.

But one thing I know is you can't keep the asshole out LOL.

If there has been one thing proven throughout this its that there will never be enough dough to placate Stan.

It's an unbreakable addiction for people like him.
 

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Things might not be as they seem:

IRS to Rams: Designing PSLs as non-taxable loans is OK
https://www.bizjournals.com/losange...esigning-psls-as-non-taxable-loans-is-ok.html
By Daniel Kaplan – Sports Business Journal,
Jun 14, 2017, 11:45am

The Los Angeles Rams received Internal Revenue Service approval to structure personal seat license fees as loans from fans, meaning the team would not have to pay taxes on the money but also that the seat buyers would be paid back.

The Rams, who are expected to go to market with PSLs later this year, have not decided yet to use the structure, which would be a first in U.S. professional sports. PSL fees have always been accounted for as income to teams.

The disclosure is included in an Internal Revenue Service ruling from earlier this month that the team requested to determine whether it could structure the seat licenses as loans. A source provided a copy of the ruling to SportsBusiness Journal.

“Here, the fans are lending the PSL monies to the team and the team is obligated, after a long period of time has elapsed, to repay the funds” without interest, said Robert Willens, founder of his own eponymous tax and consulting firm. “In the loan case, the funds received by the team are not taxable, since one is not taxed on the proceeds of a loan.”

The Rams declined to comment.

The Rams plan to open their new Inglewood stadium in 2020, and PSLs are a critical funding ingredient, expected to supply well into the hundreds of millions of dollars. As a result, the tax savings would be significant.

“The Rams did not want the PSL proceeds taxable to them as income. Section 61 is a very broad [tax law] provision and is supposed to require the Rams to include in income any assets that increase the net worth of the Rams,” said Richard Greene, a tax attorney and partner with Greene Radovsky Maloney Share & Hennigh. “The IRS ruled the PSL funds in the newly formed entity did not have this result for the Rams.”

The IRS decision, known as a private letter ruling, details other elements of the PSLs planned by the team: PSL holders are entitled to special events, including cruises and fantasy camps; exclusive access to the team website for content; special merchandise for PSL holders; and involvement in determining team player of the year.

It’s not hard to see why the Rams might take the PSL-as-loan approach. Say the club expected to raise $500 million in PSL proceeds. At a federal corporate rate of 35 percent, plus the steep rates in California, taxes would consume nearly half the amount.

As for repaying the $500 million, PSL terms often stretch 20 to 30 years, so the money due is paid back over decades. (The Rams have not announced the terms for the PSLs that they will sell.)

And that $500 million is worth considerably less in the future than today, because the funds appreciate in value over time.

No matter the IRS ruling, there is little doubt that the PSL money will add to the value of the franchise as one of the biggest cash flows in the team’s early years in Los Angeles.

The Rams relocated to L.A. from St. Louis last year after 20 years in the Gateway City, where they also sold PSLs. The team, in fact, is fighting litigation from previous PSL holders there over the team’s move. Those PSLs, like those of other teams, were structured as payments to the team and not reimbursable.

The Los Angeles Chargers plan to share the new Inglewood stadium and are expected to issue PSLs separate from the Rams.

The IRS private letter ruling also discloses that the Rams do not plan to sell every seat as a PSL.

“Tickets at the stadium for each Team game will remain available for purchase by public, nonmembers of Corp (the entity of PSL holders) at the same face amount ticket price that a member purchased the ticket,” the IRS ruling said. The stadium capacity will be 70,240.
 

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From OP's article (no interest, long term loan):

The license only entitles the owner to purchase a Rams season ticket after paying the one-time fee, which in a first for the NFL will be refundable — without interest — after 50 years.
 

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I was sent, via e-mail, a questionnaire from a third party investigating for the Rams, about what amount I would be willing to pay for a PSL. It started at about 10K and I kept declining the amounts and I think it got as low as $2,500 and I still said too much. I would have to buy one seat and sit in the nosebleeds, but you never know, maybe I will. I actually love the current Rams home games as you can go to any game for a reasonable amount. Fights and all, it's the Rams baby!

It sounds like the worst seats have almost no stairs to walk....Get some craft beers and braughts and watch the game on the oculus....WINNING.
 

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:The license only entitles the owner to purchase a Rams season ticket after paying the one-time fee, which in a first for the NFL will be refundable — without interest — after 50 years.
And its non-transferable:dizzy:
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They can ask for whatever they want, but if there isn't a very good team by then, they won't have a chance. A nice stadium isn't enough. Even then, without a recent history in the city, I doubt it.
 

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They can ask for whatever they want, but if there isn't a very good team by then, they won't have a chance. A nice stadium isn't enough. Even then, without a recent history in the city, I doubt it.

Exactly. I don't want the team to suck but this would be the silver lining to sucking.

From what I've seen in other markets, PSL's usually sell pretty slow (atlanta still has some available). Unless you can get a great bang for your buck deal at initial sale time, its probably better to wait a few years after the stadium opens and buy them below initial cost.