Rams not looking for GM.

[Ram_Rally]

Didn't Fisher Hire Snead

But that was a Special case

 

[NERamsFan]

Glad to hear Snead could be retained. I'm a huge fan of his, hire a great regime in here with Snead making the selections and I'm a happy camper!

Harbaugh and Snead? WET DREAM!!!

 

[nanotech]

This is more entertaining than the game.

 

[Afro Ram]

I'm very happy that they are keeping Les and i hope it stays that way. Fish was the man I wanted gone. Don't know who I want for the next head coach. They have to get it right this time. I won't go through another rebuild.

 

[dieterbrock]

Im ok with him coming back long as Snead isn't saying, "Hey, we need a coach and I heard that Jeff Fisher might have become available"

 

[Dieter the Brock]

Harbaugh and Snead? WET DREAM!!!

Correction:

Jack Lord and Snead? WET DREAM!!!!

 

[Rambitious1]

And Snead is helping them find the new coach.
Great news for Snead Fans.

LINK

He's staying for now anyway.
We'll see if he stays long term.

 

[Ellard80]

The team I've seen the last few weeks certainly doesn't look very talented... I'm kind of with Merlin on t his.. they all need to go.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Count me in. Snead has done a fine job here IMO.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Here's a post from a year ago.
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Snead has been the Rams GM for four years. He has taken alot of crap for missing on that guy or drafting this guy etc...unfairly when you look at the complete body of work, and put it next to some of the other GM's body of work around the league.

It's true that he hasn't been perfect or near perfect, but who has? Grass is always greener syndrome?

It's really easy to call out Pead, Quick and Robinson as a bust, claim the Rams drafts have been poor...and ignore the entire body of work. It's myopic IMO. Good talent has been brought in. A few misses in the top couple rounds. Pead & Quick stand out to me. Robinson possibly but it's too early.
I look at these recent drafts by the "best" GM's out there and i don't see anything consistently far superior to what Snead has done in that same time.That's my opinion.

Below are facts.
Look at it. Make your own determinations. I went with generally successful teams and highly regarded GM's who don't generally rely on free agency a whole lot. I'm not including player trades or trade ups, trade downs. I don't have time for that. This is the talent pool taken on draft day.

Rams- Snead
2012
1 Brockers
2 Quick
2 Jenkins
2 Pead
3 Tru J
4 Givens
5 Rok Watkins
6 Zuerlein
7 Aaron Brown
7 Daryl Richardson

2013
1 T.Austin
1 A.Ogletree
3 TJ McDonald
3 Steadman Bailey
4 Barrett Jones
5 Brandon McGee
5 Zac Stacy

2014
1 G.Robinson
1 Aaron Donald
2 Lamarcus Joyner
3 Tre Mason
4 Mo Alexander
6 EJ Gaines
6 Garrett Gilbert
7 Mitchell Van Dyke
7 Christian Bryant
7 Michael Sam
7 Demetrius Rhaney

2015
1 Gurley
2 Havenstein
3 Jamon Brown
3 Sean Mannion
4 Andrew Donnal
6 Bud Sasser
6 Cody Wichmann
7 Bryce Hager
7 Martin Ifedi

I'll add these...
UDFA
Johnny Hekker
Marcus Roberson
Ethan Westbrooks
Benny Cunningham
Cory Harkey
Daren Bates
Rodney McLeod
------------------------
Packers- Ted Thompson
2012
1 Nick Perry LB
2 Jerel Worthy DE
2 Casey Heyward CB
4 Mike Daniels DE
4 Jerron McMillian SS
5 Terrell Manning LB
7 Andrew Dalko OT
7 BJ Coleman QB

2013
1 Datone Jones DE
2 Eddie Lacy RB
4 David Bakhtiari OT
4 JC Tretter OT
4 Johnathan Franklin RB
5 Micah Hyde CB
5 Josh Boyd DE
6 Nate Palmer OLB
7 Charles Johnson WR
7 Kevin Dorsey WR
7 Sam Barrington LB

2014
1 Ha ha Clinton Dix DB
2 Davante Adams WR
3 Khyri Thornton DT
3 Richard Rodgers TE
4 Carl Bradford OLB
5 Cory Linsley C
5 Jared Abbrederis WR
6 Demetri Goodson DB
7 Jeff Janis

2015
1 Damarious Randall DB
2 Quinten Rollins DB
3 Ty Montgomery WR
4 Jake Ryan LB
5 Brett Hundley QB
6 Aaron Ripkowski FB
6 Christian Ringo DE
6 Kennard Backman TE

--------------------------
Ravens- Ozzie Newsome
2012
2 Courtney Upshaw LB
2 Kelechi Osemele OT
3 Bernard Pierce RB
4 Gino Gradkowski OG
4 Christian Thompson DB
5 Asa Jackson DB
6 Tommy Streeter WR
7 DeAngelo Tyson DE

2013
1 Matt Elam DB
2 Arthur Brown LB
3 Brandon Williams DT
4 John Simon DE
4 Kyle Juszczyk FB
5 Ricky Wagner OT
6 Kapron Lewis-Moore DE
6 Ryan Jensen C
7 Aaron Mellette WR
7 Marc Anthony CB

2014
1 CJ Mosley LB
2 Timmy Jernigan DT
3 Terrence Brooks DB
3 Crockett Gillmore TE
4 Brent Urban DT
4 Lorenzo Taliaferro RB
5 John Urschel OG
6 Keith Wenning QB
7 Michael Camanaro WR

2015
1 Breshad Perriman WR
2 Maxx Williams TE
3 Carl Davis DT
4 Za'Darius Smith DE
4 Javorius Allen RB
4 Tray Walker CB
5 Nick Boyle TE
5 Robert Meyers OG
6 Darren Waller WR

UDFA
Justin Tucker K
Marlon Brown WR
James Hurst OT
------------------------
Seahawks- John Schneider
2012
1 Bruce Irvin DE
2 Bobby Wagner LB
3 Russell Wilson QB
4 Robert Turbin RB
4 Jaye Howard DT
5 Korey Toomer LB
6 Jeremy Lane CB
6 Winston Guy DB
7 JR Sweezy OG
7 Greg Scruggs DE

2013
2 Christian Michael RB
3 Jordan Hill DT
4 Chris Harper WR
5 Jessie Williams DT
5 Tharold Simon CB
5 Luke Wilson TE
6 Spencer Ware RB
7 Ryan Seymour OG
7 Ty Powell LB
7 Jared Smith DT
7 Michael Bowie OT

2014
2 Paul Richardson WR
2 Justin Britt OT
4 Cassius Marsh DE
4 Kevin Norwood WR
4 Kevin-Pierre Louis OLB
5 Jimmy Staten DT
6 Garret Scott OT
6 Eric Pinkins DB
7 Kiero Small FB

2015
2 Frank Clark DE
3 Tyler Lockett WR
4 Terry Poole OL
4 Mark Glowinski OL
5 Tye Smith CB
6 Marcus Burley CB
6 Obum Gwatcham DE
6 Kristjan Sololi OG
7 Ryan Murphy

UDFA
Jermaine Kearse WR
---------------------------
Bengals- Mike Brown
2012
1 Dre Kirkpatrick CB
1 Kevin Zeitler OG
2 Devon Still DT
3 Mohamed Sanu WR
3 Brandon Thompson DT
4 Orson Charles TE
5 Shaun Prater CB
5 Marvin Jones WR
5 George Iioka DB
6 Daniel Herron RB

2013
1 Tyler Eifert TE
2 Giovanni Bernard RB
2 Margus Hunt DE
3 Shawn Williams DB
4 Sean Porter LB
5 Tanner Hawkinson OG
6 Rex Burkhead RB
6 Cobi Hamilton WR
7 Reid Fragel OT
7 TJ Johnson C

2014
1 Darqueze Dennard CB
2 Jeremy Hill RB
3 Will Clarke DE
4 Russel Bodine C
5 AJ McCarron QB
6 Marquise Flowers LB
7 James Wright WR
7 Lavelle Westbrooks CB

2015
1 Cedric Ogbuehi OT
2 Jake Fisher OT
3 Tyler Kroft TE
3 Paul Dawson LB
4 Josh Shaw CB
4 Marcus Hardison DT
5 TJ Uzomah TE
6 Derron Smith DB
7 Mario Alford WR

UDFA
Vontaze Burfict LB
Emmanuel Lamur LB
-------------------------
Broncos- John Elway
2012
2 Derek Wolfe DT
2 Brock Osweiler QB
3 Ronnie Hillman RB
4 Omar Boldin DB
4 Phillip Blake OL
5 Malik Jackson DT
6 Danny Trevathan LB

2013
1 Sylvester Williams DT
2 Montee Ball RB
3 Kayvon Webster DB
5 Quanterus Smith DE
5 Tavarres King WR
6 Vinston Painter OG
7 Zack Dysert QB

2014
1 Bradley Roby DB
2 Cody Latimer WR
3 Michael Shofield OL
5 Lamin Barrow LB
6 Matt Paradis OL
7 Corey Nelson LB

2015
1 Shane Ray LB
2 Ty Sambrailo OT
3 Jeff Heuerman TE
4 Max Garcia C
5 Lorenzo Doss CB
6 Darius Kilgo DT
7 Trevor Siemian QB
7 Taurean Nixon DB
7 Josh Furman DB



Some high end hits, some high end whiffs, some diamonds in the rough too...from everyone, and these are the big name GM's. When i get time i'm going to post some real shitty drafts spanning the last fours years.
I'll take Snead, thank you very much

http://www.ramsondemand.com/threads...-o-newsome-j-schneider-m-brown-j-elway.41595/

 

[WestCoastRam]

I thought I heard somewhere where the Coach on many teams tended to have more sway when it came to 1st/2nd round but even if the coach had total control over personnel, they had to lean heavily on the GM and their staff for rounds beyond 1 and 2 as they just didn't have the time to grind tape on that many prospects.

If this is true, one should theoretically look at how many hits were made 3rd round on...

 

[UKram]

I like Snead sure he has missed on some top of the round high picks but what team doesn't ?

I like his wheeler dealer type attitude and the fact we hit on a lot of UDFAs

 

[Ellard80]

Rams- Snead[/B]
2012
1 Brockers
2 Quick
2 Jenkins
2 Pead
3 Tru J
4 Givens
5 Rok Watkins
6 Zuerlein
7 Aaron Brown
7 Daryl Richardson

2013
1 T.Austin
1 A.Ogletree
3 TJ McDonald
3 Steadman Bailey
4 Barrett Jones
5 Brandon McGee
5 Zac Stacy

2014
1 G.Robinson
1 Aaron Donald
2 Lamarcus Joyner
3 Tre Mason
4 Mo Alexander
6 EJ Gaines
6 Garrett Gilbert
7 Mitchell Van Dyke
7 Christian Bryant
7 Michael Sam
7 Demetrius Rhaney

2015
1 Gurley
2 Havenstein
3 Jamon Brown
3 Sean Mannion
4 Andrew Donnal
6 Bud Sasser
6 Cody Wichmann
7 Bryce Hager
7 Martin Ifedi

I'll add these...
UDFA
Johnny Hekker
Marcus Roberson
Ethan Westbrooks
Benny Cunningham
Cory Harkey
Daren Bates
Rodney McLeod
------------------------
Packers- Ted Thompson
2012
1 Nick Perry LB
2 Jerel Worthy DE
2 Casey Heyward CB
4 Mike Daniels DE
4 Jerron McMillian SS
5 Terrell Manning LB
7 Andrew Dalko OT
7 BJ Coleman QB

2013
1 Datone Jones DE
2 Eddie Lacy RB
4 David Bakhtiari OT
4 JC Tretter OT
4 Johnathan Franklin RB
5 Micah Hyde CB
5 Josh Boyd DE
6 Nate Palmer OLB
7 Charles Johnson WR
7 Kevin Dorsey WR
7 Sam Barrington LB

2014
1 Ha ha Clinton Dix DB
2 Davante Adams WR
3 Khyri Thornton DT
3 Richard Rodgers TE
4 Carl Bradford OLB
5 Cory Linsley C
5 Jared Abbrederis WR
6 Demetri Goodson DB
7 Jeff Janis

2015
1 Damarious Randall DB
2 Quinten Rollins DB
3 Ty Montgomery WR
4 Jake Ryan LB
5 Brett Hundley QB
6 Aaron Ripkowski FB
6 Christian Ringo DE
6 Kennard Backman TE

--------------------------
Ravens- Ozzie Newsome
2012
2 Courtney Upshaw LB
2 Kelechi Osemele OT
3 Bernard Pierce RB
4 Gino Gradkowski OG
4 Christian Thompson DB
5 Asa Jackson DB
6 Tommy Streeter WR
7 DeAngelo Tyson DE

2013
1 Matt Elam DB
2 Arthur Brown LB
3 Brandon Williams DT
4 John Simon DE
4 Kyle Juszczyk FB
5 Ricky Wagner OT
6 Kapron Lewis-Moore DE
6 Ryan Jensen C
7 Aaron Mellette WR
7 Marc Anthony CB

2014
1 CJ Mosley LB
2 Timmy Jernigan DT
3 Terrence Brooks DB
3 Crockett Gillmore TE
4 Brent Urban DT
4 Lorenzo Taliaferro RB
5 John Urschel OG
6 Keith Wenning QB
7 Michael Camanaro WR

2015
1 Breshad Perriman WR
2 Maxx Williams TE
3 Carl Davis DT
4 Za'Darius Smith DE
4 Javorius Allen RB
4 Tray Walker CB
5 Nick Boyle TE
5 Robert Meyers OG
6 Darren Waller WR

UDFA
Justin Tucker K
Marlon Brown WR
James Hurst OT
------------------------
Seahawks- John Schneider
2012
1 Bruce Irvin DE
2 Bobby Wagner LB
3 Russell Wilson QB
4 Robert Turbin RB
4 Jaye Howard DT
5 Korey Toomer LB
6 Jeremy Lane CB
6 Winston Guy DB
7 JR Sweezy OG
7 Greg Scruggs DE

2013
2 Christian Michael RB
3 Jordan Hill DT
4 Chris Harper WR
5 Jessie Williams DT
5 Tharold Simon CB
5 Luke Wilson TE
6 Spencer Ware RB
7 Ryan Seymour OG
7 Ty Powell LB
7 Jared Smith DT
7 Michael Bowie OT

2014
2 Paul Richardson WR
2 Justin Britt OT
4 Cassius Marsh DE
4 Kevin Norwood WR
4 Kevin-Pierre Louis OLB
5 Jimmy Staten DT
6 Garret Scott OT
6 Eric Pinkins DB
7 Kiero Small FB

2015
2 Frank Clark DE
3 Tyler Lockett WR
4 Terry Poole OL
4 Mark Glowinski OL
5 Tye Smith CB
6 Marcus Burley CB
6 Obum Gwatcham DE
6 Kristjan Sololi OG
7 Ryan Murphy

UDFA
Jermaine Kearse WR
---------------------------
Bengals- Mike Brown
2012
1 Dre Kirkpatrick CB
1 Kevin Zeitler OG
2 Devon Still DT
3 Mohamed Sanu WR
3 Brandon Thompson DT
4 Orson Charles TE
5 Shaun Prater CB
5 Marvin Jones WR
5 George Iioka DB
6 Daniel Herron RB

2013
1 Tyler Eifert TE
2 Giovanni Bernard RB
2 Margus Hunt DE
3 Shawn Williams DB
4 Sean Porter LB
5 Tanner Hawkinson OG
6 Rex Burkhead RB
6 Cobi Hamilton WR
7 Reid Fragel OT
7 TJ Johnson C

2014
1 Darqueze Dennard CB
2 Jeremy Hill RB
3 Will Clarke DE
4 Russel Bodine C
5 AJ McCarron QB
6 Marquise Flowers LB
7 James Wright WR
7 Lavelle Westbrooks CB

2015
1 Cedric Ogbuehi OT
2 Jake Fisher OT
3 Tyler Kroft TE
3 Paul Dawson LB
4 Josh Shaw CB
4 Marcus Hardison DT
5 TJ Uzomah TE
6 Derron Smith DB
7 Mario Alford WR

UDFA
Vontaze Burfict LB
Emmanuel Lamur LB
-------------------------
Broncos- John Elway
2012
2 Derek Wolfe DT
2 Brock Osweiler QB
3 Ronnie Hillman RB
4 Omar Boldin DB
4 Phillip Blake OL
5 Malik Jackson DT
6 Danny Trevathan LB

2013
1 Sylvester Williams DT
2 Montee Ball RB
3 Kayvon Webster DB
5 Quanterus Smith DE
5 Tavarres King WR
6 Vinston Painter OG
7 Zack Dysert QB

2014
1 Bradley Roby DB
2 Cody Latimer WR
3 Michael Shofield OL
5 Lamin Barrow LB
6 Matt Paradis OL
7 Corey Nelson LB

2015
1 Shane Ray LB
2 Ty Sambrailo OT
3 Jeff Heuerman TE
4 Max Garcia C
5 Lorenzo Doss CB
6 Darius Kilgo DT
7 Trevor Siemian QB
7 Taurean Nixon DB
7 Josh Furman DB



Some high end hits, some high end whiffs, some diamonds in the rough too...from everyone, and these are the big name GM's. When i get time i'm going to post some real crappy drafts spanning the last fours years.
I'll take Snead, thank you very much

http://www.ramsondemand.com/threads...-o-newsome-j-schneider-m-brown-j-elway.41595/

Aren't those basically all playoff teams? Wouldn't a better comparison be teams with similar records the past few years?

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Snead is gone.

No new coach is going to want the stench of his failure with Fish. Also, I keep remembering him noting that if they'd had Keenum two years prior they would have been a playoff team. The dude went all in with Fisher's vision and was wrong, I don't want that type of GM. I want a guy who is his own guy, and one who is NOT going to get in the way of a head coaching hire.

The new coach will have someone in mind before he walks into that interview, along with his plans for everything else. That's who will get the job.

How is it his failure when he was under Fisher's command? Fisher had final say over personnel. When the Rams drafted for need two years ago and picked a bunch of Olinemen, was that something he did without Fisher's consent? I doubt it. And wasn't that Boudreau we saw working out those higher drafted linemen and giving his opinion on?

I think it is just assumption to put it on Snead, especially if Demoff is convinced to keep him on. Sure he may only be part of the team long enough to keep the draft and free agency evaluations going, and finding a coach, but we won't really know anything about who the stench belongs to until Snead is either replaced, or carries out his own draft.

Not sure it's a wise move, but time will tell.

Very wise move. At the very least Snead can continue draft and free agent evaluations, and get a new coach up to speed very quickly once he is hired. And remember a scouts and GMs job is to find the types of players that the coaches want him to. Maybe Snead was just looking for the types of players that Fisher wanted. There was a theme of valuing athleticism over football knowledge. That worked on Defense but not on offense. How do you know that was not all pushed by Fisher?

 

[Merlin]

How is it his failure when he was under Fisher's command?

Stench of failure by association. Not fair but then things often aren't.

Hot coaching candidates are gonna want their own guys they know they can work with. Demoff is not going to protect Les if the new coach doesn't want him.

I give Les a 10% chance of survival. Dude is basically gone and will probably end up back with Atlanta.

 

[Riverumbbq]

Should Snead stay on, I'd suspect one of the younger NFL offensive coordinators or a university level coach being in a better position to come in. Veteran HC's would likely clean house and bring in their own guys. jmo.

 

[Picked4td]

I see a lot of people saying a new HC would want to bring in their own guy, and while that might be true, who even knows if they have a guy. its not like an assistant coach, where its someone you worked with before and feel could be an extension of you and your coaching. I doubt these potential 1st year coaches really worked with anyone in the FO to call their guy. Not saying it wont happen, but I think itll depend more on if the new HC and Snead can see eye to eye on what they want/need to do.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Stench of failure by association. Not fair but then things often aren't.

Hot coaching candidates are gonna want their own guys they know they can work with. Demoff is not going to protect Les if the new coach doesn't want him.

I give Les a 10% chance of survival. Dude is basically gone and will probably end up back with Atlanta.

I disagree with the %10 chance. Coaches marry themselves to other coaches that they develop a network with. They don't have hand picked GMs that are on their wishlist, the same as it is for assistant coaches. I could see a new coach working with Snead through his contract....Especially if Snead is instrumental in the hiring. Demoff may already have decided that Snead is the main man for all we know.

 

[Merlin]

I disagree with the %10 chance. Coaches marry themselves to other coaches that they develop a network with. They don't have hand picked GMs that are on their wishlist, the same as it is for assistant coaches. I could see a new coach working with Snead through his contract....Especially if Snead is instrumental in the hiring. Democrat may already have decided that Snead is the main man for all we know.

We shall see. IMO the Rams will be told no by the rockstar types, they'll interview the OCs in the small window when the season ends, and once the internal decision is made it's sayonara Les.

And that aside I do like Snead, btw. But I just don't think he's the guy, and I don't think any of these coaches will be insane enough to accept him as part of the agreement. Time will tell.

 

[oldrammer]

Agree.

I agree 100%