Rams final cuts

[Psycho_X]

It’s more of a team building philosophy that it is ‘doing pretty good’

They are big on player development. They also like reaping the Comp picks in return. The roster was full of stars with big contracts. They had to rely on cheap role players as the filler.

But look at it another way. If they draft a player in the second round who isn’t very good but plays adequately, then in four years they get a sixth round or seventh round comp pick for that player, was it really successful drafting?? If they got a third round comp pick I’d say yea. But all they seem to get is late round picks for these 2-3-4 round picks. It’s not like they are pumping out stars in their player development system.

I get it and I've had my own frustrations with our drafts at times. And yeah we need to have a few players from the last several years step up into star type roles. We'll have to see how the year goes but there's about a dozen players from the last three drafts who will be starters or significant role players this season. I do wish we'd stop drafting the "physically special with no quality experience" player before round 6 though (ie-Quick, Harris, Rochell, etc).

But really if any team gets 1 or 2 players from a draft to be worthy of a second contract they've had a decent draft imo. Have to also consider our cap position currently when looking at the 2019 draft. Rapp, Gaines, and Scott all got attention in free agency and in the case of Gaines and Scott I think if we had all kinds of cap space we would have retained those two. Have to see where we stand after this season as it'll be a make or break year for a lot of our draft picks.

 

[Loyal]

Lets be honest, the Rams aren't making any waiver claims or moves for anyone that can ascend the team.

They'll try and get a few more "development" cheap options and just wing it this year on Defense.

hater! ~ Les

 

[Corbin]

I think so. In order for our eff them picks strategy to work long-term, we had to be better than average at talent evaluation, and I for one have believed McVay-Snead and their scouting system/etc. were better at it than most, but it hasn't really panned out that way. I think that's what a lot of Rams fans are grappling with.

Exactly 100%.
For Eff those picks to work philosophy we need our talent evaluators to be on the ball. % wise, it’s difficult in the deeper rounds, and very hard to rely on.

I think we made a lot of bad selections compared to others they had available at the time of their picks just by going on what they say they want or looking for, or their strategy is in their interviews. Obviously going to keep some cards to their vests, but overall been disappointed by a lot of their selections.

We need to mix in cheap top tier talent that’s easier to hit on now.

I would contend that it has though. Last year mainly happened because of injuries to the OL, Stafford, Kupp and AD. Without those we probably win 9-10 games last year.

We are projecting what this season will be based on opinions of this roster right now, which we don't actually know anything about yet.

The frustration seems to be coming from letting the guys go who we spent the capital on...but in the NFL these days, it seems far more likely that a player will play out their rookie contract and move on. It doesn't mean we haven't had success drafting though.

Or in other words - people seem to just have an issue with the team build in general, from trading picks for players and the way the team handles second contracts.

But it's important to keep in mind that last year was McVays FIRST losing season, and the main cause was (quite literally) record breaking injuries to the OL that no team could have weathered. So what are we doing here?

Yeah drafting was the issue it was mostly paying the credit card issue, which we are doing this season. Curious how we contend this this time next year.

This thread will be forgotten if the Rams blow out the SeaChickens. I'll personally post the Super Bowl or BUST thread!

We going to get clobbered by them.

 

[Soul Surfer]

No credit at all for 2021? A team with no 1st rounders since 2016 and limited other day 2 picks due to trades? Yet literally a tweet from January a month before we won the super bowl...

View: https://twitter.com/Jason_OTC/status/1488185083638996998?s=20


Seems they do pretty good when you look at the big picture compared to most other teams.

You have evidently not read this entire thread where I absolutely gave the Rams great credit for their technique in building a team that won the Super Bowl.

But they've still failed miserably in the use of their third and fourth round draft picks during that same time period and even last year with their pick of Bruss
They mis-scouted players that are no longer on the team.

I'm sorry if I hold them to a higher standard than you do.

 

[Loyal]

Exactly 100%.
For Eff those picks to work philosophy we need our talent evaluators to be on the ball. % wise, it’s difficult in the deeper rounds, and very hard to rely on.

I think we made a lot of bad selections compared to others they had available at the time of their picks just by going on what they say they want or looking for, or their strategy is in their interviews. Obviously going to keep some cards to their vests, but overall been disappointed by a lot of their selections.

We need to mix in cheap top tier talent that’s easier to hit on now.

Yeah drafting was the issue it was mostly paying the credit card issue, which we are doing this season. Curious how we contend this this time next year.


We going to get clobbered by them.

SeaChicken apologist!

 

[PARAM]

It’s more of a team building philosophy that it is ‘doing pretty good’

They are big on player development. They also like reaping the Comp picks in return. The roster was full of stars with big contracts. They had to rely on cheap role players as the filler.

But look at it another way. If they draft a player in the second round who isn’t very good but plays adequately, then in four years they get a sixth round or seventh round comp pick for that player, was it really successful drafting?? If they got a third round comp pick I’d say yea. But all they seem to get is late round picks for these 2-3-4 round picks. It’s not like they are pumping out stars in their player development system.

I get it and I've had my own frustrations with our drafts at times. And yeah we need to have a few players from the last several years step up into star type roles. We'll have to see how the year goes but there's about a dozen players from the last three drafts who will be starters or significant role players this season. I do wish we'd stop drafting the "physically special with no quality experience" player before round 6 though (ie-Quick, Harris, Rochell, etc).

But really if any team gets 1 or 2 players from a draft to be worthy of a second contract they've had a decent draft imo. Have to also consider our cap position currently when looking at the 2019 draft. Rapp, Gaines, and Scott all got attention in free agency and in the case of Gaines and Scott I think if we had all kinds of cap space we would have retained those two. Have to see where we stand after this season as it'll be a make or break year for a lot of our draft picks.

I would think developing guys like Ebukam, Josh Reynolds, Everett, SJD, Gaines, Edwards, Scott, etc and getting 5th, 6th and 7th round comp picks when they leave is working. Because they are replaced. Jefferson replaced Reynolds, Gaines replaced SJD, Scott replaced Fuller (temporarily). You can't argue with success. You can point to 5-12 and say, "see it doesn't work". But when looking at the 6 seasons under McVay and seeing 5-12....a familiar saying comes to mind......"one of these things are not like the others".

 

[Ramstien]

I can't say it enough; in the NFL it comes down to which teams can stay the healthiest and avoid the injury bug.

 

[Corbin]

SeaChicken apologist!

“FLY SEAGULLS FLLLLYYY!!”

 

[Psycho_X]

Hmm

View: https://twitter.com/jason_otc/status/1697005591166677410?s=46

 

[CGI_Ram]

View: https://youtu.be/eXJ7ETn5rww?si=ZcqpGk8SYkthAxnu

 

[Soul Surfer]

It's the NFL....Not for Long / or What have you done for me lately!!

I tried to point out the Chiefs must have fooked up on some picks, eh? Because they have the same number from 2017, 18 and so forth as the Rams. And I also pointed out the Rams went to the SB in 2018 and 2021, the Chiefs in 2019, 2020 and 2022. Geez, look at that will ya. The last 5 years have had the Rams or the Chiefs in the SB....and the Chiefs only retain about as much as the Rams. BUT.....because they're the reigning SB champs and we went 5-12, their system works; ours doesn't. You can't make this shit up!!!!

You do know that we went from being the Super Bowl champ to having the worst Super Bowl hangover ever at 5 wins, right?

 

[Soul Surfer]

We'll have to see how the year goes but there's about a dozen players from the last three drafts who will be starters or significant role players this season.

Exactly. "We'll have to see how this year goes".
Just because these guys are going to be, "starting or significant role players" doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be any good.
How competitive these guys are alone will tell us a TON about the Rams current ability to draft, develop, motivate, etc.
I'll never understand McVay's wishy-washy off season about whether he's going to retire or move to the booth or what the F ever.
The players are naturally going to stop and pause and wonder how motivated the coach is and that hurts their motivation.

I'll always be a Ram fan and always watch every game to the last second as I always have.

But it's GO TIME to find out if McSnead it's just gliding along on their reputation or can continue to develop at a high rate as they have been.

Hopefully no one understands that more than they do.

 

[ReekofRams]

All 14 of the Rams 2023 draft picks made the final 53, but none of the UDFAs made the team.

 

[André]

All 14 of the Rams 2023 draft picks made the final 53, but none of the UDFAs made the team.

One did - long snapper Alex Ward.

 

[Kupped]

Exactly. "We'll have to see how this year goes".
Just because these guys are going to be, "starting or significant role players" doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be any good.
How competitive these guys are alone will tell us a TON about the Rams current ability to draft, develop, motivate, etc.
I'll never understand McVay's wishy-washy off season about whether he's going to retire or move to the booth or what the F ever.
The players are naturally going to stop and pause and wonder how motivated the coach is and that hurts their motivation.

I'll always be a Ram fan and always watch every game to the last second as I always have.

But it's GO TIME to find out if McSnead it's just gliding along on their reputation or can continue to develop at a high rate as they have been.

Hopefully no one understands that more than they do.

I have the complete opposite perspective of the McVay offseason.

To me.. the Rams would absolutely NOT be starting a rebuild unless McVay gave them assurances he was all in for the next 3-5 years. They did nothing to "stretch the window" this offseason.

But, I agree with you 100% that it's go time for these guys. A few mediocre drafts have helped put them in this spot.. now it's time to turn things around.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I have the complete opposite perspective of the McVay offseason.

To me.. the Rams would absolutely NOT be starting a rebuild unless McVay gave them assurances he was all in for the next 3-5 years. They did nothing to "stretch the window" this offseason.

But, I agree with you 100% that it's go time for these guys. A few mediocre drafts have helped put them in this spot.. now it's time to turn things around.

I don’t like the ‘I may retire’ talk. It just sounds like an agent playing games to get a better deal. AD did that.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

All 14 of the Rams 2023 draft picks made the final 53, but none of the UDFAs made the team.

Yeah, but consider how depleted the roster was.

 

[PARAM]

You do know that we went from being the Super Bowl champ to having the worst Super Bowl hangover ever at 5 wins, right?

Last year, right?

 

[Merlin]

To me.. the Rams would absolutely NOT be starting a rebuild unless McVay gave them assurances he was all in for the next 3-5 years. They did nothing to "stretch the window" this offseason.

Not stretching the window out and the resulting clean slate plus a higher draft pick would make this job immensely desired among HC candidates. It creates a natural break in a lot of ways for a coach who has been rumored to be considering TV.

McVay returning and leading us to another four to five year run would be fantastic. I am praying you are correct.

 

[PARAM]

Not stretching the window out and the resulting clean slate plus a higher draft pick would make this job immensely desired among HC candidates. It creates a natural break in a lot of ways for a coach who has been rumored to be considering TV.

McVay returning and leading us to another four to five year run would be fantastic. I am praying you are correct.

Who knows what will happen? He's hard to figure out. Did he want to go into broadcasting or was it an offer he looked at and thought, "do I want to have an easier schedule and a lot less stress or do I want to stay in the game?" I think the broadcasting option is way overblown. It'll always be there as long as he's successful and a guy like him, with his drive, his desire for excellence, his competitive side, his love of the X's and O's will always be successful. It's there when he wants it and that has got to be a comforting feeling. Maybe by age 40? 42? 45? I think he's got a lot of coaching left in him. Hopeful? Yeah. But I'm trying to read an unreadable situation and I think he'll be around a while. Broadcasting ain't the same thrill as competing. It pays well but is it satisfying? For a guy like him, I doubt it. That's not to say he won't be great at it. He will. But he'd be great at anything he pursued. I wonder if he ever wanted to be a drummer?