Rams and Janoris working on extension

[jrry32]

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It is "if" stuff... I quoted you. Don't see how that can be argued.

If I were the man in charge of extending contracts (likely of significant amounts of money), I would not be doing it based on anything other than actual results.

Based on his actual results, I'd wait.

It's not an "if". Janoris Jenkins held Dez Bryant to 5 catches for 21 yards. A blown coverage that wasn't his fault doesn't count against him in my book.

But I'm saying if that coverage had not been blown, he may have given up more yardage because the Cowboys would have been in comeback mode.

View: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000398295/Week-3-Cowboys-vs-Rams-highlights

I'm sorry man I like reading your posts put I don't think JJ gave up the Dez TD due to horrible blown coverage. If you watch the highlights he gets turned around like a top on a double move and it doesn't appear that the defense they are in is planned for over the top safety help. You see the safeties later on but it doesn't appear the coverage was designed to help with JJ man. If I remember right he gave up a clutch 3rd or 4th down to Dez for a 1st down to keep a crucial drive alive. Janoris is barely ranked as a top half corner in the league and is average at best, I really hope we only extend him with an average contract.

McLeod was trying to cover for rookie E.J. Gaines, who'd blown an assignment, and Fisher said he should have told Jenkins to stay with Bryant.

"It was supposed to be passed off, but it was not communicated," Fisher said.

Gaines was supposed to trail Terrance Williams on the crosser, McLeod was supposed to have the deep middle, and Jenkins had the hash to the sideline.(Jenkins and McLeod were basically playing Cover 3 with Gaines playing man because of how the Cowboys lined up)

Gaines didn't trail Williams which left him wide open. Jenkins expected McLeod to have the deep middle so he turned Bryant loose to try and pick off a pass if Romo went to the wide open Williams. McLeod crashed down to pick up Williams on the crosser and left Jenkins hanging out to dry.

 

[tempests]

he turned Bryant loose

Well, there are two sides to that story.

It didn't look pretty for the Cowboys when Jenkins jumped a stop route to Bryant for an easy interception and 25-yard touchdown return with 6:06 remaining in the second quarter, giving the Rams a 21-0 lead. However, Bryant and quarterback Tony Romo knew right then that they could take advantage of Jenkins' aggressiveness for a big play.

The Cowboys cashed in on the first series of the second half, when Bryant ran a post route off play-action on first down with Jenkins in man coverage. Jenkins bit so badly on Bryant's fake to the outside that he wasn't even in the television picture when Romo's deep ball arrived.

"As soon as I seen him flip his hips, I knew I had him," said Bryant, who caught six passes for 89 yards and also drew a 33-yard pass interference penalty on Jenkins during Dallas' go-ahead drive.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4733989/dez-bryant-gets-payback-vs-janoris-jenkins

 

[jrry32]

Well, there are two sides to that story.



http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4733989/dez-bryant-gets-payback-vs-janoris-jenkins

No, there aren't. My source is Jeff Fisher breaking down the play and explaining where it went wrong. Your source is Dez Bryant. It's pretty clear which source is more knowledgeable about the defensive schemes and responsibilities on that play.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here with the frankness of my response. There just aren't two sides of the story. I could understand if it were my interpretation of the play you disagreed with but Jeff Fisher clearly explains what happened.

And for those who might question if he was trying to spare Jenkins...why would he spare Jenkins by throwing both McLeod and Gaines under the bus? Doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[V3]

Jenkins past also consists of being a true pro these last 4 years, so that needs to be accounted for
He has had ZERO off the field problems

Has he been a true pro? It sure doesn't seem like he studies all that much considering how often he bites on stuff and not learning from other things that burn him. And don't forget the team enforced suspension he received along with Givens.

 

[Legatron4]

Guys I don't mean to change the subject but OH MY GOD I LOVE FOOTBALL TALK NOM NOM NOM opcorn:

Proceed.

 

[tempests]

No, there aren't.

Two sides to every play run in NFL history. NFL coaches and players don't all see the same things.

Your source is Dez Bryant. It's pretty clear which source is more knowledgeable about the defensive schemes and responsibilities on that play.

If Fish can explain what went wrong, Dez can explain what went right, no?

why would he spare Jenkins by throwing both McLeod and Gaines under the bus? Doesn't make much sense to me.

No one's getting thrown under the bus. That was very much a group failure. McLeod, JJ and EJ all bit and they weren't even the only ones. Cowboys suckered us but good on that one.

 

[jrry32]

Two sides to every play run in NFL history. NFL coaches and players don't all see the same things.

There aren't two sides to how a player was designed. We're not talking about a play where Bryant split double coverage on a post route and caught a TD. We're talking about a BLOWN coverage. The success of the play was brought about by a failure in the execution of the defense.

Which means that it's irrelevant what Bryant saw. The play wasn't executed properly. The one who can give insight on how the play was SUPPOSED to be run is Jeff Fisher. And he made it very clear that Jenkins was hung out to dry on that play because of Gaines's mistake and McLeod not communicating.

I'm sorry, my friend, but there are not two sides. Dez Bryant doesn't know the play. Jeff Fisher does. Due to that, Bryant is not in a position to explain what went right on a play where the coverage was BLOWN.

 

[Dxmissile]

View: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000398295/Week-3-Cowboys-vs-Rams-highlights

I'm sorry man I like reading your posts put I don't think JJ gave up the Dez TD due to horrible blown coverage. If you watch the highlights he gets turned around like a top on a double move and it doesn't appear that the defense they are in is planned for over the top safety help. You see the safeties later on but it doesn't appear the coverage was designed to help with JJ man. If I remember right he gave up a clutch 3rd or 4th down to Dez for a 1st down to keep a crucial drive alive. Janoris is barely ranked as a top half corner in the league and is average at best, I really hope we only extend him with an average contract.

That play has already been explained by coach Fisher that play was zone Jenkins mirrored him guided him to where zone coverage was supposed to be then he dropped down to cover the underneath that's why it appears he got turned around but really he played his position perfectly.

 

[VegasRam]

I blame the refs/pass rush. The non calls were so blatant it makes Goodell look good

BTW- Bryant gets paid as well. And he makes JJ look bright.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Cowboys suckered us but good on that one.

they sure did. the way they tackled langford, who was on his way to sacking romo, was brilliant. they must have known the 3 officials looking at it would let it go.

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[Corbin]

View: http://www.nfl.com/videos/st-louis-rams/0ap3000000504248/Janoris-Jenkins-contract-talks-heating-up

Yes I know your going to have to go to NFL.com to watch it but he it's discussion on JJ's contract! lol

 

[Corbin]

It's not an "if". Janoris Jenkins held Dez Bryant to 5 catches for 21 yards. A blown coverage that wasn't his fault doesn't count against him in my book.

But I'm saying if that coverage had not been blown, he may have given up more yardage because the Cowboys would have been in comeback mode.





Gaines was supposed to trail Terrance Williams on the crosser, McLeod was supposed to have the deep middle, and Jenkins had the hash to the sideline.(Jenkins and McLeod were basically playing Cover 3 with Gaines playing man because of how the Cowboys lined up)

Gaines didn't trail Williams which left him wide open. Jenkins expected McLeod to have the deep middle so he turned Bryant loose to try and pick off a pass if Romo went to the wide open Williams. McLeod crashed down to pick up Williams on the crosser and left Jenkins hanging out to dry.

That play has already been explained by coach Fisher that play was zone Jenkins mirrored him guided him to where zone coverage was supposed to be then he dropped down to cover the underneath that's why it appears he got turned around but really he played his position perfectly.

Watching that play over and over again seeing the alignment and what the hell they were doing I have no clue what the hell McCleod or Gaines were thinking of more correctly that they were not thinking.

At the beginning of the snap I see McDonald 1.5 yards away from scrimmage and Gaines 5 yards.

Gaines let's Terrance Newman run by free with no coverage while running parallel with McDonald who's responsibility is the left 3rd of the field.

In red you can see McDonald going to his responsibility and you can see the separation with Gaines and Newman which in turn causes a negative effect because McLeod who is playing Center Field FS sees Terrance Newman wide open while Janoris is with Dez which causes him to dump his responsibility of covering the middle third and run up to Newman.

With JJ thinking he has the right third of the field he breaks away and releases Dez.

Gaines man is on the other side of the field, Mcleod's man is in Orange, Janoris in blue would be helping out the right side, and Gaines covering the left side of the field.

I stand corrected gentlemen and I thought I would post these screenshots to help anyone else understand what happened this play visually.

On a side not I'm still pissed off at JJ! lol jk

 

[Mojo Ram]

So freaking what. Does anybody remember when we had NO corners?

I remember when we had no football players.

 

[Legatron4]

I remember when we had no football players.

http://www.ramsondemand.com/threads/all-teams-deal-with-injuries.10540/

In case anyone forgot, it was really, REALLY bad just a few years ago. This 2015 Rams team would slaughter the 2011 team like a pig.

 

[Rmfnlt]

Two sides to every play run in NFL history. NFL coaches and players don't all see the same things.



If Fish can explain what went wrong, Dez can explain what went right, no?



No one's getting thrown under the bus. That was very much a group failure. McLeod, JJ and EJ all bit and they weren't even the only ones. Cowboys suckered us but good on that one.

There is ALWAYS two sides to a story, period.

 

[Rmfnlt]

It's not an "if". Janoris Jenkins held Dez Bryant to 5 catches for 21 yards. A blown coverage that wasn't his fault doesn't count against him in my book.

But I'm saying if that coverage had not been blown, he may have given up more yardage because the Cowboys would have been in comeback mode.

Seriously, I give up.

 

[jrry32]

Seriously, I give up.

Okay. I won't use any "ifs" then (despite the fact that I was trying to recognize with an "if" that Jenkins performance might not have been as great if things hadn't gone the way they did). Janoris Jenkins held Dez Bryant to 5 catches for 21 yards.

 

[Rmfnlt]

http://www.ramsondemand.com/threads/all-teams-deal-with-injuries.10540/

Boy, does that bring back some painful memories... RRF... simplistic explanations to complex issues... still goes on over there...glad I found this place.

Funny how this NFL thing seems to repeat itself over and over again.

Some causes identified for how things were going badly in 2011:
* Injuries
* Lack of discipline and better coaching

Fast forward to 2015 and, although the record is clearly better than 2011, these same causes are discussed...
* Starting QB has gone down (interesting how that was one position - albeit the most critical many would say - and in 2011 it was... I lost count, actually)
* Lack of discipline results in big plays against us

As Yogi Berra would say... it's deja vu all over again.

I hope to God that this year is the breakout year we've been waiting for!

 

[FrantikRam]

I'm a fan of this too. Always liked Jenkins.

The thing I never understood....if you polled this forum and asked if you thought Jenkins was a good player, then McCleod, I think both would say "no they give up too many big plays" - but most of the time it's just been one of them - yet people on here seem to punish both of them because we don't know who is really at fault.....even though Fisher clearly tells us.