Rams: (#13) 1st Round QB Ty Simpson SIGNED

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Fire Ants said:
Imagine the steam that will be blown off here if we lose to SF!

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This seems appropriate....

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It's an interesting exercise to ask oneself: if not Ty at 13 then who?

Let's say we really didn't have any trade down opportunities as has been reported. All things being equal, I think I would have prob taken Monroe Feeling or Blake Miller.

But I concede that we prob weren't gonna be able to draft anywhere near top 15 again for a QB for awhile so I think I'm down with Ty.

Excited to see how he does going forward. I think I'm just more nonplussed by his preseason performance than others when I watched what he was asked to do (mostly boots) and how he did it (speeding through reads, not pushing ball more).

My hope for him right now is that he can surpass Stetson as QB 2 by end of season. There's not a lot of snaps in practice for him to do it but it's possible.
 
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PARAM said:
I guess we ought to keep a running record of who would have been a better pick than Ty Simpson at #13.......monitor their stats and contribution to their team.

Rueben Bain (Tampa)
Kenyon Sadiq (Jets)
Makai Lemon (Philly)
KC Concepcion (Cleve)
Omar Cooper (Jets)

any other guys who would have been a better choice than Simpson? Let's list em and see what happens, eh?
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Better yet. Have anyone who is/was against the pick name the specific player the team should have selected like most everyone including myself did immediately when the team selected Tutu Atwell over Creed Humphrey.

It's easy to sit back and critique what the team has done with no skin in the game regarding one's immediate and not hindsight opinion.

Although in the end I guess it really doesn't matter and is difficult to measure as the circumstances a player finds himself in at one spot could alter what may be his outcome in another.

Oh well. I do the same thing every year. I usually have my mind set on one or two players realizing I'm working with very limited information only to try and understand the Rams thought process if they select someone else.
 
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El Chapo Jr said:
Too funny, did I trigger you (not even attempting to do that by the way) cuz you're using me liking Lemon when I actually didn't like him at all. Just please stop with its non-sense when coming from a good family is nice but not any kind of indicator of success. The NFL is littered with all kinds of players that came from shitty backgrounds to do much better for themselves. Simpson has to be developed and we shall see. Seems like the default always comes back they are smarter than you and I so basically we shouldn't even comment then? Come on, its a fan forum, we are just sharing opinions.

By the way, I liked Tyson (because of his upside) a lot but he went earlier and so far no beuno, ouch. Either way, for any of these kids, its way to early but I've said to exhaustion Simpson certainly has the benefit of playing for McVay and having Stafford there. We'll see if he's able to capitalize on all that.
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"trigger" yeah.................. sure. WTF ?
Simpson is a quarterback who has to be a leader of men. So having your head screwed on straight matters. Family helps a lot with that.
 
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WestCoastRam said:
It's an interesting exercise to ask oneself: if not Ty at 13 then who?

Let's say we really didn't have any trade down opportunities as has been reported. All things being equal, I think I would have prob taken Monroe Feeling or Blake Miller.

But I concede that we prob weren't gonna be able to draft anywhere near top 15 again for a QB for awhile so I think I'm down with Ty.

Excited to see how he does going forward. I think I'm just more nonplussed by his preseason performance than others when I watched what he was asked to do (mostly boots) and how he did it (speeding through reads, not pushing ball more).

My hope for him right now is that he can surpass Stetson as QB 2 by end of season. There's not a lot of snaps in practice for him to do it but it's possible.
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I was convinced they would go QB at 13 or with a small trade back, so I didn't entertain much the possibility of other options. But if they didn't go QB, I wanted an OT.

I get the concern with him not pushing the ball down field more. My hope is that it's because of his lack of experience in the scheme since he wasn't like that in college. A quick AI query shows that Simpson's percentage of targeting downfield throws was less than average when looking at his overall college depth of target, but it was higher than average in the intermediate range. I'd expect this to translate to the NFL.
 
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PARAM said:
I guess we ought to keep a running record of who would have been a better pick than Ty Simpson at #13.......monitor their stats and contribution to their team.

Rueben Bain (Tampa)
Kenyon Sadiq (Jets)
Makai Lemon (Philly)
KC Concepcion (Cleve)
Omar Cooper (Jets)

any other guys who would have been a better choice than Simpson? Let's list em and see what happens, eh?
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Missed this when I posted a moment ago but interestingly I would slightly preferred Freeling or Miller, both tackles for both their short term benefit as depth and long term benefit (we're gonna lose guys on the line).
 
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gogoat1 said:
"trigger" yeah.................. sure. WTF ?
Simpson is a quarterback who has to be a leader of men. So having your head screwed on straight matters. Family helps a lot with that.
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Hey I'm only asking cuz you threw Lemon in my face like I really liked the guy, how would you interpret that out of left field comment? Having a straight head is individual thing and family plays a role but again, being a great person doesn't necessarily equate success. That part makes it more likely the person is mature and takes ball seriously. Unfortunately, there are also examples of people coming from great families and being shit people. I'm not saying this about the kid just throwing that out there. I agree that he seems to have his head screwed on straight and so far in his extremely young career, he's doing very well. Hopefully it continues because one day we'll get to see if he indeed puts it all together. I'm rooting for him to do that.
 
Memphis Ram said:
Better yet. Have anyone who is/was against the pick name the specific player the team should have selected like most everyone including myself did immediately when the team selected Tutu Atwell over Creed Humphrey.

It's easy to sit back and critique what the team has done with no skin in the game regarding one's immediate and not hindsight opinion.

Although in the end I guess it really doesn't matter and is difficult to measure as the circumstances a player finds himself in at one spot could alter what may be his outcome in another.

Oh well. I do the same thing every year. I usually have my mind set on one or two players realizing I'm working with very limited information only to try and understand the Rams thought process if they select someone else.
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Are we really doing this again? I don't get being bothered by criticism of a QB if its fair. Its too early anyways. Aw well

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Memphis Ram said:
Doing what again?

Basically just about the entire tread is us merely beating a dead horse over and over again.
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Not all of but most of it yeah.... can't wait for the real games to start. Hope none of us meets that horse in the afterlife cuz he's gonna be like wtf did I do for all of you to endlessly murder me :laugh1:
 
Twopointtry said:
Very fair. If you watch most of the preseason plays, there is zero disguise by the defense. Vanilla coverages where the pre-snap look is exactly what the defense plays post-snap, extremely easy for the QB to read. NFL teams don't do that in the regular season. It is a huge red flag if a QB is terrible in pre-season but not as much of a predictor if a QB does great, because most QBs would look good in a preseason game.

Simpson has happy feet in the pocket and sometimes will either leave good pockets or unnecessarily turn his shoulders and move inside of the pocket, causing him not to be throw-ready. This impacts his progression reading, because even if he sees a route coming open, his body isn't ready to throw the pass. Drake Maye had a much bigger issue with this than Simpson when Maye came out of college, yet Maye led his team to the Super Bowl last year. I think it could take time to synch Simpson's feet with his eyes so that the physical and mental part align and he delivers accurate and strong passes on schedule. Once he "gets it" and learns to recenter himself in the pocket more efficiently, I think the game will "slow down" for him and he'll be more consistent. Build his confidence and let him develop step-by-step, slowly.

If he doesn't play at all the rest of 2026, watch his feet next preseason. Everyone wants to watch the football coming out of the QB's hands, but I feel one of the big keys to unlocking Simpson's full potential is how his feet move inside of the pocket and when the initial part of the scramble when he decides to extend the play outside of the pocket.
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You know what's funny is I saw this criticism parroted a lot during the pre-draft season. I watched every snap he played at Alabama last year and obviously every snap during the preseason and I don't see it. Actually watch this game for example. Stood tall in clean pockets, made accurate passes under pressure, navigated pressure and re-set his feet in muddy pockets, and left the pocket with plus mobility when it completely broke down.



Yes, this was one of his best games last year but it's on tape and this playing style remained consistent throughout the course of the season. Did it happen at all last season? Yeah, there were a few examples but generally this criticism seems to be something true for most college QBs so it's easy to just say without evidence. I would actually evaluate Simpson's pocket presence to be very, very good for a young QB. Certainly better than Fernando Mendoza for example:



Scrambled from a clean pocket at 2:05, 3:25, and 5:55. Multiple examples of "happy feet", dropping his eyes to to the rusher, and scrambling into pressure. Good enough to be the clear-cut #1 overall pick I guess... Dan Orlovsky might have been on to something here.

As to Simpson's eyes matching his feet, it's funny because Chase Daniel actually raves about how this is a strength of his.



The areas where you say he struggles are ironically enough the areas that actually appear to be his biggest strengths. What's up with that?
 
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Twopointtry said:
I never said the GM should get fired. Bill Belichick drafted Mac Jones. Ozzie Newsome is arguably the greatest GM of all time. He traded up for Kyle Boller.

The Baltimore Ravens had a phenomenal defense and a great rushing attack during Boller's tenure. Newsome's mistake, later led them to pass on drafting Aaron Rodgers. It conceivably cost the Ravens multiple Super Bowls. So, even though overall Newsome has one of the best resumes of any GM and was the central reason the Ravens won multiple SBs and had such great success, he also deserves to be heavily criticized for his pursuit of Boller. There were big warning signs at the time of that draft that he was overvaluing Boller.
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On the bolded, italicized, and underlined part: Bill Belichick was a horrible drafting GM for the most part, and he shouldn't even be put in the same ozone layer as someone as consistently solid of a drafter as Newsome (if a Kyle Boller is the worst mistake a GM can make, that's still a HOF GM).

If it was just Mac Jones that was Belichick's worst selection, he might be excused, but he drafted far more busts than successes; his entire tenure is actually not too far off of Snead's drafting tenure with Fisher, except with lucking into Brady in the sixth round. He reached for a lot of players. Most of his drafted players who weren't special teams players never played any meaningful snaps with the team. Others who did were immense disappointments, if not outright busts, especially much later in his tenure.

You could maybe, maybe make the argument that he was a good coach (even though he was directly involved in numerous cheating scandals, which tarnish all of it, and has earned him the epitaph of "Belicheat" to this Rams fan), but he was a shitty GM, especially when it came to drafting impact players in the higher rounds.
 
Memento said:
On the bolded, italicized, and underlined part: Bill Belichick was a horrible drafting GM for the most part, and he shouldn't even be put in the same ozone layer as someone as consistently solid of a drafter as Newsome (if a Kyle Boller is the worst mistake a GM can make, that's still a HOF GM).

If it was just Mac Jones that was Belichick's worst selection, he might be excused, but he drafted far more busts than successes; his entire tenure is actually not too far off of Snead's drafting tenure with Fisher, except with lucking into Brady in the sixth round. He reached for a lot of players. Most of his drafted players who weren't special teams players never played any meaningful snaps with the team. Others who did were immense disappointments, if not outright busts, especially much later in his tenure.

You could maybe, maybe make the argument that he was a good coach (even though he was directly involved in numerous cheating scandals, which tarnish all of it, and has earned him the epitaph of "Belicheat" to this Rams fan), but he was a shitty GM, especially when it came to drafting impact players in the higher rounds.
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I'll never understand why Jeff Fisher gets dumped on so much. He drafted way better to me than Belicheat did. We needed Mr. 7-9 to pull us outta the dumpster fire this organization was. I appreciate Fisher for helping us along the way. During his tenure, these following players were drafted:

AD
Brockers
Higbee
Havenstein
Gurley
Goff
Zuerlein
Janoris Jenkins
Trumaine Johnson

I say not too shabby, but the Rams needed a better coach to push them over the medicore slump they got caught in. Thank goodness we went with McVay next.
 
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