Ram Players PFF Grades vs. Seattle

[Memento]

Isn’t it possible that these could be attributed to his young age? Aren’t issues with immaturity likely to lessen as a player ages?

I like the player but we don’t seem to value the position, so I doubt that we’ll pay him what other teams will offer.

It is possible. But I will note that those maturity issues caused a kid who had 5.5 sacks in his junior year as a 6'4", 321 lbs. nose tackle to slip into the fourth round and that he was suspended for six games of 2022 because of the performance enhancing substance policy.

I like BB3, too. I just don't trust him with a huge contract when we eventually have Puka Nacua, Steve Avila, Kobie Turner, Jared Verse, Braden Fiske, and possibly more to pay, and a large part of that is because of his past maturity issues.

 

[Psycho_X]

Best option for us in regards to BB3 is let him see what the market is for him and if it is cold they'll bring him back on a moderate or 1 year deal would be my bet. But given his age and the fact he is a decent football player, albeit inconsistent, he'll probably get some play in free agency I'd think. Big space eaters are not easy to come by.

 

[DzRams]

It is possible. But I will note that those maturity issues caused a kid who had 5.5 sacks in his junior year as a 6'4", 321 lbs. nose tackle to slip into the fourth round and that he was suspended for six games of 2022 because of the performance enhancing substance policy.

I like BB3, too. I just don't trust him with a huge contract when we eventually have Puka Nacua, Steve Avila, Kobie Turner, Jared Verse, Braden Fiske, and possibly more to pay, and a large part of that is because of his past maturity issues.

Huge contract? I'm with you on not resigning him but playing devil's advocate here, do dedicated run stuffers get huge contracts? How much are you thinking he could get?

 

[Classic Rams]

Huge contract? I'm with you on not resigning him but playing devil's advocate here, do dedicated run stuffers get huge contracts? How much are you thinking he could get?

Doubtful. His play does not indicate top dollar but he may be cheaper to keep than Gaines was. A decent run stuffer of BB3's skill is easy to find/replace therefore Rams do not value him for a big pay raise. If he walks when the time comes I wouldn't be surprised. Trade value probably swapping two 6th rounders. Pretty much anything over 1 mil a year for a DT run stuffer and the Rams will pass. Gaines made 3.5 mil 1st year on the Bucs and re-signed for 1 more with 3 mil guaranteed. Rams would not pay those figures for that position.

 

[Memento]

Huge contract? I'm with you on not resigning him but playing devil's advocate here, do dedicated run stuffers get huge contracts? How much are you thinking he could get?

Only twenty-four years old in free agency? 6'4" 324 lbs. space eater who can stop the run - and if some team thinks that there's hidden pass-rushing potential? He'll get a multi-year contract in the 8.5 range. Just my opinion.

 

[RamWoodie]

Can you imagine if the Rams still had AD99 with Fiske and Verse???

 

[Classic Rams]

Can you imagine if the Rams still had AD99 with Fiske and Verse???

Would it be a priority to get Verse and Fiske with Donald still playing? 3 ships passing in the night? We'll never know. But with all of them together the Rams D-Line would be an absolute terror and subbing in Fiske instead of Jonah would be a crime. "A fresh pass rush is key to winning in the 4th quarter" who said that? Walsh? We don't speak his name here! But the Rams showed that to be true the last 3 wins. Yeah I am still missing Donald but if the Rams can keep this pace - they have 21 sacks in 8 games thanks to last week's 7 sack performance - they can get back to the 50 sack range, not achieved since 2019-2021.

The last time that I remember the Rams D having 7 sacks and 3 INTs in a game was the 39-10 win over the whiners in 2018.

Previous longest Rams' pick-6 for me was that 99-yarder by Johnny Johnson in 1980.

 

[PARAM]

Somehow, Fiske only had a grade of 62.3 despite recording five pressures, missing zero tackles and consistently blowing things up in the backfield. PFF seems to have whiffed with his grade because he was undoubtedly one of the best players on the field.

Which is why PFF grades should have a disclaimer.....FOR AMUSEMENT ONLY: THIS IS NOT AN ACTUAL EVALUATION OF PERFORMANCE. Often times I read these grades and wonder, did the grader have a typo on his numerical roster sheet? I guess it doesn't help my opinion when every time I see "PFF" I think of somebody hitting a joint. And sometimes it seems like that's what the evaluator was doing when he should have been watching the game. "Yo bro....did you see that dude spill his beer all over that chick?"

 

[dang]

Can you imagine if the Rams still had AD99 with Fiske and Verse???

Yes. Yes I can and sometimes do.

 

[fearsomefour]

Yes, they ding for penalties.

And he is on to something. PFF doesn't grade for impact plays. Per their website, "Each player is given a grade of -2 to +2 in 0.5 increments on a given play with 0 generally being the average or “expected” grade." They're not trying to grade for impact plays at crunch time or critical moments.

As with any stat or metric, it's useful to provide general guidance on what's happening on the field. Nothing is the gospel including the old-school eyeball test.

Cool, thanks for the good info.
This helps explain how their grading can seem off a bit.

 

[fearsomefour]

There in lies the question. Was his inconsistent play due to his youth and immaturity? Or is he playing year four to get a big contract. It’s always hard to tell in this instance

I think most players don't have much of an impact their first year or even two.
You expect that from most, but not all, first round picks. Verse and Fiske are the exception that proves the rule.
All that said, who knows?..
But, he plays hard and is playing well in his role.
He also doesn't have to have a long term deal, pay him on a shorter deal due to his age and extend if he earns it.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I think most players don't have much of an impact their first year or even two.
You expect that from most, but not all, first round picks. Verse and Fiske are the exception that proves the rule.
All that said, who knows?..
But, he plays hard and is playing well in his role.
He also doesn't have to have a long term deal, pay him on a shorter deal due to his age and extend if he earns it.

If another team doesn’t offer him a long term deal.

Maturity is likely why we see the Rams started drafting older players. The leadership test that they’ve been using the last few years would tend to favor more mature players. Older players tend to take on a leadership role in college.

 

[fearsomefour]

If another team doesn’t offer him a long term deal.

Maturity is likely why we see the Rams started drafting older players. The leadership test that they’ve been using the last few years would tend to favor more mature players. Older players tend to take on a leadership role in college.

Yeah, makes sense.
If a team really likes a big, young run stuffer they will likely overpay.
I do see this as the most likely outcome.
I agree about the drafting of older players and leadership, makes total sense.

 

[methomas50]

View: https://twitter.com/_RyanFowler_/status/1854556621361275264?t=SEw7CPzJxnvyUmsMIGXXCg&s=19

 

[fanotodd]

7 sacks? Were those mishandled snaps that were recovered by the QB counted as sacks?