Quick didnt drop the that was just good defense

[RhodyRams]

I dont think Quick dropped that one bit.. Maybe with more opportunities and experience he would learn to adjust to the defender and make the catch without drawing a flag, or even getting the flag thrown in his favor.

People learn from mistakes. Your body and mind learn at the same time. The problem BQ is having is just the fact that he isnt getting the quantity of the throws needed to learn on a regular basis, and he isnt getting the throws because he hasnt learned yet.


Schrodinger's Cat

 

[lockdnram21]

OK, being this got bumped I'll hit on it again. The play where the ball hit Quick's finger tips with a defender draped over his arms (nicely worded, right?) is comparable to many baseball plays I've seen. Let's say the batter smashes a line drive to the out fielder who slightly misplays it sails over his head. Obviously it's not ruled an error but a better outfielder catches that ball more times than not. Quick doesn't catch that ball more times than not be because he's not the guy we'd hoped he'd be. He's a big body with inconsistent hands. He makes catches and he drops them, too. I'm not giving up on him but can we call a spade a spade, please? He hasn't got it done and I want someone who is more than a skill position player on the outside. In other words, we need at least one WR who has a complete game. I think Watkins fits the mold best out of this draft class. Not to mention I don't think Quick is all that football savy. His play recognition is very poor at this point and honestly that bothers me more than his hands.

To be fair, I also think Givens's game lacks in similiar ways to Quicks's. He stinks in traffic...

He only has 2 drops. I bet if he was on a different. Team he would be making plays

 

[mr.stlouis]

He only has 2 drops. I bet if he was on a different. Team he would be making plays

He'd propably have more targests, catches, drops, unscored errors, yards, you know.... same thing just multiplied. But sure "plays" calculates into the equation, too. On a scale on 1 to 10 I give him a 6.5. No he's not a finished product but that's what he is. I'd give Watkins a 7.0 to 7.5 starting fresh out of college.

I am not beating the Watkins pick as hard as some would think, though. He's just my example. There are various routes the Rams could take to end up at the same destination. A complete receiver is just a good start to a continued journey. Heck I hope Quick blows it up over the next couple games so I dont have to think about it anymore. Really. He does have the tools but lacks instinct and drive, IMO.

 

[Stranger]

Which example? Each video is an example of a WR making a difficult catch with the defenders hand or arm in their trying to jar it loose.

Wow, if only we had a No.1 who could make some of these kinds of catches. AJ Green is just amazing.

 

[CoachO]

Wow, if only we had a No.1 who could make some of these kinds of catches. AJ Green is just amazing.

And yet, apparently, last year he had another dubious "honor"

http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?p=2737142

Guess who leads the AFC North in drops?
Dec 19, 2012 1:45 PM
By Jamison Hensley

If you asked me who leads the AFC North in dropped passes, my three guesses would've been: Mike Wallace, Mike Wallace and Mike Wallace. Well, I was wrong.

According to ESPN Stats & Information, Bengals wide receiver A.J. Green tops the division in that category. This shocked me because Green has such great hands. Everyone remembers Green's drop in the red zone against Dallas, but I can't recall many more than that one. Last season, Green had three drops on 112 targets. This year, he has seven drops on 138 targets

 

[jrry32]

And yet, apparently, last year he had another dubious "honor"

http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?p=2737142

Guess who leads the AFC North in drops?
Dec 19, 2012 1:45 PM
By Jamison Hensley

If you asked me who leads the AFC North in dropped passes, my three guesses would've been: Mike Wallace, Mike Wallace and Mike Wallace. Well, I was wrong.

According to ESPN Stats & Information, Bengals wide receiver A.J. Green tops the division in that category. This shocked me because Green has such great hands. Everyone remembers Green's drop in the red zone against Dallas, but I can't recall many more than that one. Last season, Green had three drops on 112 targets. This year, he has seven drops on 138 targets

You can excuse drops when the guy is as good as AJ Green. If Quick ever becomes as good as Green, I'll happily hold my tongue if he drops 7-10 passes a year.

 

[CoachO]

You can excuse drops when the guy is as good as AJ Green. If Quick ever becomes as good as Green, I'll happily hold my tongue if he drops 7-10 passes a year.

I agree, but for many in here, you would think that Quick drops every other pass thrown to him. And that's just not the case.

I was merely pointing out that even the BEST of the BEST have their fair share of dropped passes. People like to put up highlight reels, and site the SportCenter plays of the week, but they act as if these guys are above making mistakes.

If it isn't obvious to others, I am not ready to jump off the bandwagon. Brian Quick is the most athletic and "skilled" of all the WRs on this roster. I just get frustrated when most seem to hold his draft position against him, (like its his fault), and just don't accept the FACT that it takes more than 20 some odd games for MOST WRs to develop to their full potential.

 

[mr.stlouis]

I agree, but for many in here, you would think that Quick drops every other pass thrown to him. And that's just not the case.

I was merely pointing out that even the BEST of the BEST have their fare share of dropped passes. People like to put up highlight reels, and site the SportCenter plays of the week, but they act as if these guys are above making mistakes.

If it isn't obvious to others, I am not ready to jump off the bandwagon. Brian Quick is the most athletic and "skilled" of all the WRs on this roster. I just get frustrated when most seem to hold his draft position against him, (like its his fault), and just don't accept the FACT that it takes more than 20 some odd games for MOST WRs to develop to their full potential.

Fact is I just wanna get a top WR for the first time since Torry Holt and line him up opposite of Quick/Givens. They'll still reps, just none in our #1 WR's spot. That's it. I don't think it's too much to ask. If Quick is who he says he is then he'll lock down the #2 or even #1 job. None the less we would still need another WR for Givens's spot. He's small and plays small over the middle or in traffic. Either way, WR is a need. Not just anyone, a #1.

 

[RamFan503]

Yeah - cuz everyone on the offense has been used to their potential. Sorry but I think a good part of why we haven't used Quick all that much is partly due to the fact that we don't really have long developing plays in our arsenal. If we are talking quick hitters and such, our smaller quicker guys are going to get targeted. I think in this case, when Fish talks about not having enough balls to go around, this is precisely what he is talking about. You can say that he would be getting those targets if he was good but why? What would be the benefit of hitting Quick on a short pass over one of the quicker guys that are not getting many touches either BTW. How many long passes do we even try right now? How many 20+ yard passes are you seeing KC attempt to ANYONE?

The fact is that Quick IS a good and willing blocker. He wouldn't see near as many snaps if he was nothing more than a decoy.

I'm not saying that all we have to do is be able to throw to him. Certainly he hasn't progressed like we'd like. But we are not helping his progress with the fact we can't hold blocks and have a QB that simply can't hit on long passes even given time. We ALL know Givens can run a deep route. How many of those have we been seeing?

Who is Quick taking out of the game on defense? I honestly haven't paid that much attention but I recall that he and Givens were drawing Petersen a fair amount in the AZ game. Is he drawing the best corner on the field? I'd bet on many plays he is. It could even be why KC DOESN'T look his way on many plays.

There are all kinds of reasons a receiver in this system and with the lack of continuity might not get targeted. But it is not like ANYONE is lighting it up in ANY game. So we draft a WR high in the draft and he doesn't pay off either. Is it his fault too?

 

[jrry32]

I agree, but for many in here, you would think that Quick drops every other pass thrown to him. And that's just not the case.

I was merely pointing out that even the BEST of the BEST have their fare share of dropped passes. People like to put up highlight reels, and site the SportCenter plays of the week, but they act as if these guys are above making mistakes.

If it isn't obvious to others, I am not ready to jump off the bandwagon. Brian Quick is the most athletic and "skilled" of all the WRs on this roster. I just get frustrated when most seem to hold his draft position against him, (like its his fault), and just don't accept the FACT that it takes more than 20 some odd games for MOST WRs to develop to their full potential.

I haven't given up on Quick. I was just hoping for more at this point. Then again, there are plenty of examples of WRs that didn't breakout until Year 3 or 4...or later.

I wouldn't call him the most skilled of our WRs(Pettis) or the most athletic(Austin).

 

[CoachO]

Fact is I just wanna get a top WR for the first time since Torry Holt and line him up opposite of Quick/Givens. They'll still reps, just none in our #1 WR's spot. That's it. I don't think it's too much to ask. If Quick is who he says he is then he'll lock down the #2 or even #1 job. None the less we would still need another WR for Givens's spot. He's small and plays small over the middle or in traffic. Either way, WR is a need. Not just anyone, a #1.

I understand your desire. But wanting it, and finding it are two totally different things. I am just not of the same belief that there is one of those "true #1" types out there, who you can say will come in here and IMMEDIATELY be better than what they have.

 

[lockdnram21]

I agree, but for many in here, you would think that Quick drops every other pass thrown to him. And that's just not the case.

I was merely pointing out that even the BEST of the BEST have their fare share of dropped passes. People like to put up highlight reels, and site the SportCenter plays of the week, but they act as if these guys are above making mistakes.

If it isn't obvious to others, I am not ready to jump off the bandwagon. Brian Quick is the most athletic and "skilled" of all the WRs on this roster. I just get frustrated when most seem to hold his draft position against him, (like its his fault), and just don't accept the FACT that it takes more than 20 some odd games for MOST WRs to develop to their full potential.

thats how i feel

 

[CoachO]

I haven't given up on Quick. I was just hoping for more at this point. Then again, there are plenty of examples of WRs that didn't breakout until Year 3 or 4...or later.

I wouldn't call him the most skilled of our WRs(Pettis) or the most athletic(Austin).

Austin may be more athletic, but Quick is certainly more skilled than Pettis. No contest.

I have watched these guys for the past 2 years in camp, and the things Quick does, are far and away more complete than any other WR on the roster. I didn't say he was the BEST WR at this point. But he does things that no one else, including Austin can do. That they haven't translated completely yet is frustrating, I admit. But its seeing what he is capable of, that makes me willing to give himas much time as it takes.

 

[moklerman]

I agree, but for many in here, you would think that Quick drops every other pass thrown to him. And that's just not the case.

I was merely pointing out that even the BEST of the BEST have their fare share of dropped passes. People like to put up highlight reels, and site the SportCenter plays of the week, but they act as if these guys are above making mistakes.

If it isn't obvious to others, I am not ready to jump off the bandwagon. Brian Quick is the most athletic and "skilled" of all the WRs on this roster. I just get frustrated when most seem to hold his draft position against him, (like its his fault), and just don't accept the FACT that it takes more than 20 some odd games for MOST WRs to develop to their full potential.

Not that I've been a fan of the drops but it's his apparent lack of ball skills that bothers me. He just doesn't seem able or interested in fighting for the ball. I don't know if that can be taught or if the proverbial light bulb will go on but it's kind of like teaching accuracy or anticipation to a QB or vision to a running back.

So far, Quick looks like he has all the physical skills and none of the football skills. I understand he was from a small school and needed a lot of work but after almost 2 full years, he looks very much as raw as he did to start last year.

On this particular play, I know I had no confidence or expectation that he'd get the ball. I can rattle off a long list of other guys in the league that if they had that situation that I'd expect them to make the catch. If that was Alshon, it would likely have been a reception. Fitzgerald, Green, Andre, Dez, Boldin, Vincent....not Givens and not Quick. These guys don't seem to have that killer instinct that the better WR's have.

 

[rams24/7]

Austin may be more athletic, but Quick is certainly more skilled than Pettis. No contest.

I have watched these guys for the past 2 years in camp, and the things Quick does, are far and away more complete than any other WR on the roster. I didn't say he was the BEST WR at this point. But he does things that no one else, including Austin can do. That they haven't translated completely yet is frustrating, I admit. But its seeing what he is capable of, that makes me willing to give himas much time as it takes.

I think jrry is referring to Pettis' ability to consistently catch the ball, make tough catches, and run routes. Quick athletically is more skilled in every area than Pettis, but as q WR I struggle to find an area he's stronger than Pettis in at this point in his career

 

[jrry32]

Austin may be more athletic, but Quick is certainly more skilled than Pettis. No contest.

I have watched these guys for the past 2 years in camp, and the things Quick does, are far and away more complete than any other WR on the roster. I didn't say he was the BEST WR at this point. But he does things that no one else, including Austin can do. That they haven't translated completely yet is frustrating, I admit. But its seeing what he is capable of, that makes me willing to give himas much time as it takes.

I guess it depends on what you mean by skilled. What type of skills are we discussing? When I think of skills, I think of technical skills. And imo, Pettis is a more technically skilled player.

 

[lockdnram21]

I guess it depends on what you mean by skilled. What type of skills are we discussing? When I think of skills, I think of technical skills. And imo, Pettis is a more technically skilled player.

i think he means physical skills or tools to be a stud receiver.

 

[jrry32]

i think he means physical skills or tools to be a stud receiver.

Ah. I usually would put that under athleticism or physical tools. But that's just arguing semantics. Just a misunderstanding then.

 

[rams24/7]

Why are there so many apologists for the underperforming players like Quick? What has he ever done to make you think he CAN string together the 3-5 impact plays he's made in his career, and start making them on a game to game basis? Frankly I've never understood why people will continue to defend guys like Pead & Quick saying they need more time or they have potential. To me the situation with the 2 is obvious, they have NOT tapped into their "potential" after 30 games and have lost their ability to start to younger guys who were drafted later. I'm not ready to close the book on Quick just yet, but I agree with jrry that we should have seen more by now.

 

[lockdnram21]

Why are there so many apologists for the underperforming players like Quick? What has he ever done to make you think he CAN string together the 3-5 impact plays he's made in his career, and start making them on a game to game basis? Frankly I've never understood why people will continue to defend guys like Pead & Quick saying they need more time or they have potential. To me the situation with the 2 is obvious, they have NOT tapped into their "potential" after 30 games and have lost their ability to start to younger guys who were drafted later. I'm not ready to close the book on Quick just yet, but I agree with jrry that we should have seen more by now.

i dont think quick has had a fair chance. hes always open yet clemens doesnt even look his way. yes he had bad drops vs carolina and the ball hit him in the head vsi forgot theteam but he also caught the 70 yarder and 20 yarder vs panthers to. all the other games hes made plays when his numberwas called. were not going to the playoffs they should be trying to get him involved more. thats what i dont get. fisher said hes making plays in practice. if thats true why isnt he in the game plan more. he cant get better if you dont throw him the ball. thats why i think he would be better off on another team. just doesnt seem right to me