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Don't have a problem with anything other than, Brady, I didn't mean to say he had a high upside, but he did have some good pieces, my point on him, and I didn't see him coming, BTW, is that he had heart, and some attributes that really helped him to achieve what he has, and a great system to be plugged into, and a lot of hard work. I would not have picked him, high, but looking back, he has a lot of the things that I like, and would consider taking, because of those things. I do agree with your take on him.I agree. My issue is that a lot of the attributes that people associate with "upside" aren't what makes a successful QB.
Brady is a good example of what I mean. I don't think he'd be what most people consider a high upside pick. Tall, scrawny kid who had an average arm and not much in the way of mobility. But he got to the NFL and improved his arm strength by bulking up and improving his lower body mechanics and core rotation. But most of all, he's incredibly instinctual, accurate, mechanically sound, and smart.(as well as poised)
But I don't think he's really the example of a high upside kid. You know what I mean?
Take Joe Montana. Scrawny kid with average height, underwhelming arm strength, good mobility, and cruddy college production. That's not what I'd think of as a high upside player either and he's considered by many to be the GOAT QB.
Kurt Warner? Average height with a solid build, nothing special arm, and not much in the way of mobility.
Tony Romo? Same sort of size as Warner, same sort of arm, but decent(nothing special) mobility.
Marc Bulger? Solid height and build, solid arm, and not much in the way of mobility.
I guess the point I'm making is that a lot of people associate upside with size, arm strength, and mobility. But when you look at the guys who were overlooked in the process, they are typically guys who didn't stand out in those categories. They became great because they had the instincts, accuracy, mechanics, and mental acuity to be special.
But if you are defining upside in your own way...that could explain the disconnect here.
That's how I felt about Bridgewater. But why did he fall? IMO...lack of "upside". Didn't have the ideal size or arm strength of a highly drafted QB and did poorly in the most meaningless part of the evaluations(post-season workouts).
I would too but that type of kid is rare...which is one of the reasons why I like him. Typically, with his tools, you're either going to have him going top 20 or falling to day 3. If he's going top 20, it's because he's showed enough skills, instincts, and improvement that teams believe he can be their guy. If he's going Day 3, it's because he hasn't shown the skills, instincts, and improvement and a team is just taking a flier on him in hopes he figures it out.
Cardale Jones is different because there's not enough experience there for you to know he has those things which would have him get drafted highly...but not enough experience for you to know that he doesn't have those things...which would get him drafted lowly. That's what I like. He's a mystery but in a good way.
That's true. Just gotta go with what you can see.
Totally. I agree. It's just that most guys like Jones wouldn't work for me. Because if they're not going highly, they've typically proven they aren't good...like Logan Thomas.
Which is why I'd prefer, IN MOST CASES, to take a shot on a guy who might be lacking in an attribute or two if they show they have other qualities that are potentially special...like pocket presence, mental processing speed, ball placement, etc.
If his character checks out well enough, I think Winston is "can't miss". Beyond that, I agree. I thought Bradford, Luck, and Bridgewater were "can't miss" guys. I wasn't evaluating when Rodgers came out so I can't speak with authority on him.
Carden should be a Day 3 pick. Just has some attributes I like.
Cardale, because of all the circumstances,,,the game's not too big, and how he went through progressions, his arm, his athletic ability, his "out of the park" size, he's intriguing, and I'd rather take a chance on him, than someone that might just be a backup at best. Cardale, could be, could be, the best thing since buttered popcorn, but nobody know about him, really. I sure love what I've seen, I'll tell you that. I'll tell you how much, mid 2nd to mid 3rd round like, if, like I said, has passion, and the mental acumen for football.
