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Pupped said:
No, it doesn't.
It's the opposite, in fact.. the more shots you take, the more likely you are to hit on something. That's how they've built this roster.

There are other built-in assumption about players *not* contributing as rookies.. which is a flawed approach.

My point is they too away ANY OPPORTUNITY to have their first round picks for this year and next and this year's second round pick to contribute this year.

That was flawed thinking.
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Disagree. If Stafford goes down, Ty Simpson still has an opportunity to play. But, just like Simpson and Klare, just about anyone selected would have to pan out immediately AND beat out other players already on the roster barring injury. Fans may not like or think highly of Mumphfield, Whittington, Allen and the like, but McVay apparently does.

Shoot. A veteran WR in Tutu Atwell can play and isn't even given much opportunity and he knows every WR spot.
 
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Memphis Ram said:
Disagree. If Stafford goes down, Ty Simpson still has an opportunity to play. But, just like Simpson and Klare, just about anyone selected would have to pan out immediately AND beat out other players already on the roster barring injury. Fans may not like or think highly of Mumphfield, Whittington, Allen and the like, but McVay apparently does.

Shoot. A veteran WR in Tutu Atwell can play and isn't even given much opportunity and he knows every WR spot.
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You’re mistaking the opportunity to contribute with the likelihood to contribute.
 
Pupped said:
You’re mistaking the opportunity to contribute with the likelihood to contribute.
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From my perspective with a stacked roster opportunity coincides with likelihood with McVay because it's going to take injuries either way
 
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Pupped said:
Who says I don't want to do that?

I've said that their draft strategy was wrong.. meaning using all that draft capital on two players who they knew would not be able to contribute this season.

They should either have been looking for situations where players were much more likely to contribute.. WR & STs specifically because we all knew that WR was a potential failure point.. as well as more competition potentially at RB and ILB.

OR..
They could've used the picks in trades... and I would not have been mad about that.

They already have a nice basis for the future.. and.. after this season? They're gonna have to make some changes, either way.. but I think they'd be just fine in the future because they have shown, again and again, that they really do well with multiple mid-round draft picks.

And who says the guys you trade for can't be part of the future?

They clearly needed more athleticism on the roster for special teams, specifically, and they clearly needed more and more athletic WR additions.

I just think that it was a mistake to basically say, "yeah.. our roster is so good we don't need to try and get contributions from our first two draft picks."
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If your view is that they should have traded those picks for immediate contributors and gone all in on a Super Bowl, fair enough. I don't agree, but that's a difference of opinion on how to balance the long term with the short term.
 
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If your view is that they should have traded those picks for immediate contributors and gone all in on a Super Bowl, fair enough. I don't agree, but that's a difference of opinion on how to balance the long term with the short term.
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I agree. However, I would have gone all in and hope for the best with the future.
 
Just kick it into the end zone.

Evans can do it every time.
 
Pupped said:
No… I’ve said they made the wrong pick… which is clear.

And, to be clear.. I like Simpson and Klare as prospects.

They just were not the right picks for a team trying to win a Super Bowl this year.

AND… there are other things they could’ve done with the picks.
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If your view is that they should have traded those picks for immediate contributors and gone all in on a Super Bowl, fair enough. I don't agree, but that's a difference of opinion on how to balance the long term with the short term.
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Trading for players isnt exact science either. Myles Garrett for instance
 
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dieterbrock said:
Trading for players isnt exact science either. Myles Garrett for instance
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Again.. follow me here...

The CONCEPT of using that much draft capital on two players who are not going to contribute as rookies is what I'm saying was wrong.

OF COURSE there's no guarantee..

And.. in addition to the top picks.. they ended up with fewer picks.. and were okay with less competition for roster spots. Could that be one of the reasons the Special Teams group is so unathletic? Doesn't help, that's for sure.. but there's a larger philosophical roster issue with Special Teams.

I mean.. why have Mumpfield, Whittington , Tutu and Bachman on the roster if they're not going to be used? You could've drafted at least one real athlete and prospect at that position. As I've said before.. absolutely should've done the same at RB.. And these are decisions independent of using the first two picks on Klare and Simpson in many ways.

By drafting those two, you're essentially forfeiting any potential to have your 2 first round picks (one future) and second round pick from contributing this season.

That was a mistake.
 
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Pupped said:
That was a mistake.
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Again, no it was not. Just because you "like" other options isnt proof. We get it, you didnt like the pick. McVay and Co. did.
A team with a stacked roster doesnt need a player from the draft to be a difference maker. I mean, we're talking about a team here that has had incredible success along the "fuck them picks" mantra. And has had as much success from its mid rounders than from its early round picks
 
dieterbrock said:
Again, no it was not. Just because you "like" other options isnt proof. We get it, you didnt like the pick. McVay and Co. did.
A team with a stacked roster doesnt need a player from the draft to be a difference maker. I mean, we're talking about a team here that has had incredible success along the "fuck them picks" mantra. And has had as much success from its mid rounders than from its early round picks
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You keep missing the point I'm making.

I don't "dislike" Simpson at all and he seems like he may be a great *future* pick for the Rams.

I'm saying the philosophy behind picking him and Klare this year was the wrong mindset for a SB run.
 
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Pupped said:
You keep missing the point I'm making.
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No we don't.
The point you're making is we should have drafted the stud of the century at #13 who would have single-handedly led us to a superbowl win. And if we were 5-2 (like we legitimately should be), you wouldn't even be talking about this.

(And I can't take anyone with a user name Pupped seriously who cuts off his dog's head in his avatar pic)
 
VegasRam said:
No we don't.
The point you're making is we should have drafted the stud of the century at #13 who would have single-handedly led us to a superbowl win. And if we were 5-2 (like we legitimately should be), you wouldn't even be talking about this.

(And I can't take anyone with a user name Pupped seriously who cuts off his dog's head in his avatar pic)
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No, I did.
Thank you for confirming the fact that you do not understand my point.
 
VegasRam said:
Nobody else does either.

(Anyone?)
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Yup I get it.....I think our draft strategy was a mistake and said so plenty of times. Acting like there aren't others that see it that way and trying to diminish an opinion on here that isn't popular is kinda lame. We get it, in McSnead you blindly trust whereas some of us see that they are extremely capable top smart football folks that can definitely fuck up because well they are human. Unfortunately, there's zero way to tell how this will play out in the long term but it's definitely not helping so far in our Superbowl aspirations. They've made their bed and I'll continue to root my ass off for anyone in horns to ball out even if I don't initially think high of them.
 
Pupped said:
In addition to not understanding, you’re lazy.
Go through the thread. There are people who understood.
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Damn dude - lighten up.

Next time I'll use blue font and smiley faces.

Jesus.
 
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Ok.. enough with the shoulda coulda woulda draft talk in this thread

I asked once before to knock it off but people just don't listen
 
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RhodyRams said:
Ok.. enough with the shoulda coulda woulda draft talk in this thread

I asked once before to knock it off but people just don't listen
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Just curious.. why is re-evaluating the draft philosophy a no-go?

I liked the Simpson pick.

I’m watching how it played out.

Honestly curious as to what’s objectionable about what I’ve said.
 
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