Proposed extra point rule

[So Ram]

That's a good point. Hadn't thought about that possibility of the play.

Yeah like Romo against the SeaHags.I guess that was a bad snap,but once the ball gets loss it is almost impossible to have a chance to score.
I like it though ,because of Greg the leg,Hecklar & long snapper.That Canadian dude was A reason why The rams lost preseason game one.

 

[dieterbrock]

If the extra point snap gets fumbled, and they run it in, is it worth 1 point or 2?
I suppose it makes the XP a little more interesting which could alter some betting lines, fantasy football points and Superbowl box bets.
Other than that, I just about dont care...

 

[woofwoofmo]

I voted yes.

Thoughts about the rule if it happens and other possible enhancements:

1) Puts more strategy in the game, especially in games involving inclimate weather. Time for the statisticians to go to work to determine the optimal time to go for 1 or 2 and in what conditions.
2) Would also like to see the college rule implemented where a fumble/interception/botched snap can be returned for 2 by the defense.
3) Give the Defense the option of enforcing a post-touchdown foul by the offense the option of accepting the penalty for the extra point/2 pt conversion, or accepting for kick-off. Suddenly that 32 yd extra point could become a 47yd extra pt or the 2 pt conversion from the 17yd line.
4)Puts a lot more fun in the Super Bowl pots if your numbers are 9-9 or 8-8 etc, you just might have fighting chance.

 

[lockdnram21]

They should eliminate it all together and make teams go for 2. Make defense work

 

[Sgt. Ram]

yes use it, but make it worth 2 points, give teams option for kicking for 1 point at traditional spot.

 

[RamWoodie]

I'd rather see ALL field goals from the 35 and out...therefore if a play takes you beyond the 35...to the 20, you have the option to kick a field goal from the 35...or go for a TD.

Two point conversion should go away...period!

That's what I like!

 

[Ramrasta]

I say back it up but keep the two point conversion at the 2 yard line. There needs to be some risk involved for it to be exciting. This way, extra points are not automatic and two point conversions are more highly incentivized while also raising the responsibility and value of a defense.

 

[moklerman]

I liked the preseason experiment and think that the extra point should NOT be automatic. It's "extra". You scored your TD now we're giving you a chance for an extra point.

As far as it being a tradition and not messing with the game, I don't agree. In the old days, extra points were an adventure with the toe-punching, non-specialists enlisted to take care of the attempt. It truly was "extra". Nowadays, a 19 yard attempt is ludicrous.

Anyone know what the final numbers were on XP's during the preseason? I thought I heard about a couple of them being missed but I wonder what the final stats were and how they compare, even though a dramatically smaller sample, to the regular season last year?

 

[Ramhusker]

Yes but it makes me nervous with how GZ is kicking at the moment.

 

[Alan]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000379874/article/eight-extra-points-missed-in-preseason-action

Eight extra points missed in preseason action

The NFL's preseason experiment with longer extra points is over. The move to a 33-yard extra point changed a totally useless play to one that was slightly less useless.

There were only five extra points missed all of last season in 1,321 attempts. Eight were missed in 33 preseason games this year. Hooray?

Extra points attempted since 2013

2013 season
2014 preseason
Made
1,316
133
Missed
5
8
Attempted
1,321
141
Percentage
99.6
94.3
While the change was an improvement, we still believe it was a half measure. 99.6 percent of extra points were made last season. 94.3 percent of extra points were made this preseason. We still don't see much of a point inany play that is successful more than 90 percent of the time.

Bill Belichick has alternatively proposed to abolish extra points entirely or move the extra points back to the 25-yard line, creating a 43-yard extra point. The league originally debated moving the extra point to the 20-yard line, creating a 38-yard extra point.

All of the measures above are superior to the 33-yard extra point. It's a shame that none of them will be introduced to the league this season, and we'll continue to waste time with the most boring play in sports.

These new rules here at the ROD are killing my production.

Just saying.

 

[moklerman]

Thanks for the article. That math doesn't seem right though. 5/1,316 is .0038. 8/133 is .06. Wouldn't that make it 99.996% made vs. 94%? My math-fu is very weak so maybe I'm wrong but that's 5% difference and relatively significant considering the good weather and zero pressure the preseason sample had.

Edit: had to change the make % twice. 5/1,316 is 99.996%. Basically, statistically, there isn't an impact by misses at that rate.

 

[Alan]

moklerman coming out of the closet:
That math doesn't seem right though.

The math doesn't matter, what's important is that you were anal enough to check it out. That's at least three of us who are charter members of SARRFs (Society of Anal Retentive Ram Fans). Welcome to the club moklerman! :bow: :banana:

 

[HE WITH HORNS]

Thing is, do you really want to lose a game because your kicker misses an extra point? It could happen. And the first time it happens to Brady or Manning, then that silly idea would go away as soon as it does.

 

[TommerK]

I think they should leave it alone. Then the record books won't need to be altered due to the "pre-15 yard era" or the "post-15 yard era". It's ridiculous, just fucking leave it alone.

 

[moklerman]

I think they should leave it alone. Then the record books won't need to be altered due to the "pre-15 yard era" or the "post-15 yard era". It's ridiculous, just freaking leave it alone.

Yeah, they should go back to a 12 game season and outlaw the forward pass too. Cut the league back down to 8 teams and get rid of everyone who's not white. Change is ALWAYS bad.

 

[-X-]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...itement-move-extra-points-to-the-1-yard-line/

Giants coach Tom Coughlin says the NFL went in the wrong direction in its preseason extra point experiment.

Coughlin says that if the idea is to make extra points a more exciting play, moving kicks back to the 15-yard line while keeping two-point conversion attempts at the 2-yard line wasn’t the right way to do it. Coughlin says the NFL should have moved all point-after attempts to the 1-yard line, to encourage coaches to go for two.

“I didn’t think much of it when it was suggested,” Coughlin said, via Conor Orr of the Star-Ledger. “There are some ways to change that part of it if the intent is to make it more exciting. I think that certainly would be one of them. I think you have to be aware of the fact that it’s a 33-yard field goal in November when the wind’s blowing and it’s snowing here and it’s… in Miami it’s 75 degrees. It’s a little different in different parts of the country. You do have to be aware of that. I would say probably the ball will stay at the two, extra points. But if you really want to make it interesting put it at the one.”

Coughlin makes a good point: If the ball were spotted at the 1-yard line, NFL coaches would be much more tempted to go for two more often, on the theory that a run up the middle is more likely to be successful from a yard away than two yards away. (And additionally under the theory that a pass is more likely to be successful when the defense has to stack the line of scrimmage to stop a run up the middle.)

The NFL is expected to make some change to the extra point rule, and probably sooner rather than later. Coughlin’s idea of moving the ball to the 1 may make more sense than the preseason experiment of moving the ball to the 15.

 

[reggae]

Only if they also change the distance of the two point conversion, if they change the distance of the PAT but keep the 2 point conversion the same then coaches who don't go for 2 points every time (with a few exceptions) are by definition idiots.

Leave the 2 point conversion where it is. But add the option of a drop lick spotted at the 3. Hekker could do it.

 

[Ramathon]

I wonder when the current rules were implemented.(?) I'd be willing to be whenever it was first implemented, the success rate on kicked XP's was considerably less than is the case today. It probably was meant to, as someone else pointed out, reward the TD scoring team for scoring that TD, but not be 'automatic'.

Per one of the league officials I heard discussing it on the radio earlier this week, kicked XP's were successful 99.6% of the time over all of last season. That's all be guaranteed.

By contrast, this preseason's experiment from the 15 has produced a 94% success rate. Small sample size at only 33 games, but it's enough of a difference that, if it held up for a full season, would create a statistically significant importance to the XP that really doesn't exist currently.

I'm paraphrasing what the official said, but that was the gist of it.

My biggest question about it would be....would there be a statistically significant diff in San Diego, Miami, and Tampa vs the success rate in Green Bay, Chicago, and/or New England (for sake of discussion).(???)

 

[Rams and Gators]

Leave the 2 point conversion where it is. But add the option of a drop lick spotted at the 3. Hekker could do it.

Unless the chance of hitting that drop kick is 100% (or close) it would be a pointless addition, you would still always go for the 2.

 

[TommerK]

Yeah, they should go back to a 12 game season and outlaw the forward pass too. Cut the league back down to 8 teams and get rid of everyone who's not white. Change is ALWAYS bad.

Hey dude, it's one thing to make changes for the good of the game, but to make pointless changes just for the sake of making changes has always been stupid to me. More games per season = more revenue for the league. The forward pass = a huge innovation to the game drawing more casual fan interest. More teams = more revenue AND more interest. The color thing = more talented and exciting players. So please explain to me how moving the EP back to the 15 yard line is going to make some HUGE improvement to the game? Have you ever heard the term, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it?"