Proof that Zebras are the Worst.

[Tano]

i don't even need to see. it was after.

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I mean on another game after a receiver intercepted a ball and then throwing a flag a few seconds AFTER the penalty occurred - it was pretty obvious the ref decided to throw a flag to do away with an interception.

 

[FaulkSF]

Here’s one I saw last night. On the first quarter fumble return, blind side block by 93 on 17 (Robinson), which is a couple yards behind the play. 93 is not in Robinson’s field of vision, and he gets taken out by a high forearm shiver.

This is a safety foul and should be flagged every time. Worse than that, the official is looking right at it.

Honestly, what is he waiting for? The player to come over to him and say I just threw a blindside block, please flag me for 15.

 

[kurtfaulk]

I mean on another game after a receiver intercepted a ball and then throwing a flag a few seconds AFTER the penalty occurred - it was pretty obvious the ref decided to throw a flag to do away with an interception.

you don't mention the game yet i know it was the jets intercepting mahommes and the refs bailing him out because he's the new golden boy. the ref had 10 seconds to throw a flag but only pulled it out after he saw the ball sailing into a jets defender's hands.

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[AvengerRam]

in other words you have no explanation.

we're talking about the suits in new york looking at a video screen to determine if a turnover is actually a turnover or a td is actually a td. where are you getting bad officiating from? the officials already made their bad decision, it's up to someone else to confirm it. it should be very easy to overturn a bad decision. alas, every bad decision was confirmed.

please parrot something else because that wasn't bad officiating after the initial bad officiating.

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“Fixing”

 

[Ramstien]

The one thing I hate about the NFL is how the games are officiated. I just can not except the fact that this is the best the NFL can do. In the past I have said with all the technology we could have a computer or robots calling the games. People have responded in the past to that with, but then you are losing the human element. Which I respond to by saying the human element has not been good enough. The only problem that I see with this is if the games were called flawlessly there would be holding called on every single play.

 

[Ramstien]

Oh, another thing that drives me nuts is when they throw a flag, and the dumb ass announcer says they are going to call that every time.

 

[GoodBadUgly]

Don't know if you guys watched the 49er game, but this team will absolutely win the SB this season based on officiating alone. They were holding on literally every play. Late hits on almost every play, even late hits with guys on the ground (which I thought for sure the league wouldn't look the other way on). I've already pointed out how dirty this team is, yet they somehow had less than 1/2 the penalties called against the Cards.

Every key play the Cardinals mustered (especially after they closed the gap to 5 points) was called back on questionable penalties. They ended up with more than DOUBLE the penalties called against the 49ers. I get they were at home, but it was unbelievable how biased the calls were.

On an unrelated note, we'd better hope Murray is back as QB when they play us, this Dobbs guy ain't bad. And Purdy is another Kurt Warner story. Unreal.

I can only hope for injuries so the refs can't sway them into a ring.

 

[kurtfaulk]

“Fixing”

the funny thing is, i haven't used that word once.

i was just asking you a question that you refuse to answer.

it's ok that you have no answer. there is no logical answer that includes just bad officiating.

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[AvengerRam]

the funny thing is, i haven't used that word once.

i was just asking you a question that you refuse to answer.

it's ok that you have no answer. there is no logical answer that includes just bad officiating.

Seems like you’re playing a straw man game.

I stated repeatedly that I see no evidence of games being FIXED.

You then pointed to examples of bad officiating, and suggested that I would somehow defend the refs/league.

I acknowledged that the examples were incidents of bad officiating, but reiterated that bad officiating does not prove that games are fixed.

Now you’re accusing me of not answering your question,

What question would you like me to answer?

 

[snackdaddy]

Clearly, you haven’t actually read my posts. I’ve never suggested the officiating is beyond reproach.

Again… bad officiating does NOT equal fixed games.

If you don’t understand the distinction, I can’t help you.

I agree with bad officiating not meaning games are fixed. They make mistakes. They're human. It happens. But I believe they don't work as hard as they can at getting it right because they know they are protected. No accountability.

Make interviews after a game mandatory for them like the players and coaches. Make them answer why they made a particular call or didn't make one. I'll bet they will try a lot harder to get it right.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Seems like you’re playing a straw man game.

I stated repeatedly that I see no evidence of games being FIXED.

You then pointed to examples of bad officiating, and suggested that I would somehow defend the refs/league.

I acknowledged that the examples were incidents of bad officiating, but reiterated that bad officiating does not prove that games are fixed.

Now you’re accusing me of not answering your question,

What question would you like me to answer?

hmmm, let me look back, oh yeah, what happened in the 2019 game against the stealers?

not on the field but in a room in new york. where people confirmed every wrong decision made by the officials on the field after reviewing video evidence that clearly showed every decision was wrong.

please don't say bad officiating. these are people watching a video of the play and seeing very clearly what exactly happened on the field.

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[Tano]

hmmm, let me look back, oh yeah, what happened in the 2019 game against the stealers?

not on the field but in a room in new york. where people confirmed every wrong decision made by the officials on the field after reviewing video evidence that clearly showed every decision was wrong.

please don't say bad officiating. these are people watching a video of the play and seeing very clearly what exactly happened on the field.

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Yeah - if we have to extend ourselves to believing that officials on the field are just that incompetent (which I still find hard to believe), then how is it that people in New York watching videos see completely different results than over 95% of America.

Something is up. Is it subconscious which is possible but unlikely or is it something that the NFL wants to happen even as far as turning a blind eye to the actual results of the play.

 

[AvengerRam]

hmmm, let me look back, oh yeah, what happened in the 2019 game against the stealers?

not on the field but in a room in new york. where people confirmed every wrong decision made by the officials on the field after reviewing video evidence that clearly showed every decision was wrong.

please don't say bad officiating. these are people watching a video of the play and seeing very clearly what exactly happened on the field.

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On the field, it’s bad officiating.

For the video review, the applicable standard was “clear and obvious visual evidence.” That is a high standard (err on the side of upholding calls) and, ultimately, it is subjective.

So, the answer to your question is simply human fallibility, coupled with a systematic presumption in favor of deferring to the refs on the field.

 

[oldnotdead]

Slightly assisting teams that the NFL wants to win - maybe with a trend towards yes

In the NBA that would be called point shaving. Regardless it's unethical There is no such thing as ethically slightly skewing the game in one team's favor. Cheating is cheating.

To the extent that this goes on if it wasn't intentional, then it means the NFL is incompetent in training it's officials. Does anyone really believe that?

 

[Tano]

In the NBA that would be called point shaving. Regardless it's unethical There is no such thing as ethically slightly skewing the game in one team's favor. Cheating is cheating.

To the extent that this goes on if it wasn't intentional, then it means the NFL is incompetent in training it's officials. Does anyone really believe that?

Oh I never once said it's not unethical.

I am just saying the NFL is trying to hide their unethical ways if this is in fact going on by just trending toward calls that help the teams they want to win

 

[Tano]

On the field, it’s bad officiating.

For the video review, the applicable standard was “clear and obvious visual evidence.” That is a high standard (err on the side of upholding calls) and, ultimately, it is subjective.

So, the answer to your question is simply human fallibility, coupled with a systematic presumption in favor of deferring to the refs on the field.

Uh huh

 

[AvengerRam]

I’m going to leave all of you to your silly conspiracy theories, but first…three questions for those who think outcomes are being deliberately manipulated (aka fixing games):

1. WHO?
Who exactly is deciding who to favor and who to hinder?

2. HOW?
How are they accomplishing their goals? Are the refs in on it?

3. WHY?
Why are do those who are pulling the strings doing so? And, by the same token, why would they risk destroying the league?

I pose these questions, not to initiate further debate (I’m done wasting my time with this topic). Rather, I’m challenging you to critically examine your own conclusions, and to see if they hold up to such scrutiny.

 

[Ramstien]

The bottom line is that we as fans actually have all the control. If we were strong enough to stand together and stop attending or watching games on TV until the NFL addresses this matter something might actually get done. Let's face it we all know this will never happen and it will just continue to be business as usually. So be ready to be pissed off and yelling at the TV every time you watch an NFL game that you care about. It's a shame but it will never change unless it just gets worst.

 

[Ramstien]

I propose the assembled play calling gurus on ROD.

I’m going to leave all of you to your silly conspiracy theories, but first…three questions for those who think outcomes are being deliberately manipulated (aka fixing games):

1. WHO?
Who exactly is deciding who to favor and who to hinder?

2. HOW?
How are they accomplishing their goals? Are the refs in on it?

3. WHY?
Why are do those who are pulling the strings doing so? And, by the same token, why would they risk destroying the league?

I pose these questions, not to initiate further debate (I’m done wasting my time with this topic). Rather, I’m challenging you to critically examine your own conclusions, and to see if they hold up to such scrutiny.

#1 Vegas, baby.
#2 Yes, they are.
#3 For total control and the love of money.

 

[Tano]

#1 Vegas, baby.
#2 Yes, they are.
#3 For total control and the love of money.

I will change it a little

1) NFL with collusion by TV Execs wanting certain teams to win
2) Head refs are probably called by someone high up and says - on this game - let's make some close calls favor this team (note this does not happen frequently - maybe at most once a week)
3) TV Execs want ratings