Preseason Game 1 Fallout

[Kevin]

Yeah, going on almost 4 years of partial information. Mannion only looks good (sorta) with a red jersey on, and nowhere else. VERY much.

Dude, he has 50 career pass attempts in the regular season over four years. And McVay has praised Mannion for how good he looks in practice.

 

[Loyal]

Dude, he has 50 career pass attempts in the regular season over four years. And McVay has praised Mannion for how good he looks in practice.

He praised Tavon Austin too, and he's elsewhere this year.

 

[Akrasian]

Permission! I find it highly unlikely that the GM of a pro football team has get a permission slip form the head coach to pick up a guy to compete for backup QB during training camp.

The coach had just been picked up as an offensive and especially QB guru. Supposedly McVay was asked if they should keep Snead - which tells you which way the power flows. But in any case, you don't pick up a QB expert and then immediately pick up a QB without his input. That would be idiotic.

 

[den-the-coach]

Whether we want to see Mannion anymore or not, McVay will put him back in there. Seriously den, when has he played decently?

I thought he played well in preseason games in the past, remember a few comeback victories engineered by Mannion, this was a bad game, but in the past his preseason has been solid IMHO.

That being posted, I'm sure if he struggles again and Allen shines, there will be a change or maybe the Rams might entertain signing former Dolphin Matt Moore.

 

[Kevin]

He praised Tavon Austin too, and he's elsewhere this year.

Yes he is elsewhere, and he will be playing with Dallas' first team offense in real games.

 

[Loyal]

Let's rest on this: McVay will do what he must with Mannion, no matter what any of us argues, one way or the other. I'll trust that.

 

[Stl2La]

Yes he is elsewhere, and he will be playing with Dallas' first team offense in real games.

Poor Dallas uke:

 

[Loyal]

Yes he is elsewhere, and he will be playing with Dallas' first team offense in real games.

as a RB gadget guy, not as a WR. He wasn't valuable enough to McVay to keep. It is, what it is.

 

[Kevin]

The coach had just been picked up as an offensive and especially QB guru. Supposedly McVay was asked if they should keep Snead - which tells you which way the power flows. But in any case, you don't pick up a QB expert and then immediately pick up a QB without his input. That would be idiotic.

Snead was part of the group that recruited and interviewed candidates to be head coach. The decision to retain Snead was not McVay's to make, but the ownership obviously wanted the two to be compatible.

 

[ReekofRams]

Talk about the fallout from last night I have a question for those of you who got to watch last night's game.
He had some nice stats so how did Jojo Natson look as a return specialist, and at his size at 5'7" and 150lbs can we even count on him?

 

[Loyal]

Talk about the fallout from last night I have a question for those of you who got to watch last night's game.
He had some nice stats so how did Jojo Natson look as a return specialist, and at his size at 5'7" and 150lbs can we even count on him?

He was fantastic, but no way he displaces Pharoh, imo.

 

[RamFan503]

Meh - Mannion looked awful. There's no denying that. But there is also merit in what @bubbaramfan is saying. Y'all want to anoint Allen to leap frog Mannion with the argument that Allen too wasn't playing with the ones. But many also acknowledge that the rookie O-line played better than the likes of Lucas and Williams. Of course you all ignore the other fact that Mannion was playing against the Ravens ones and twos while Allen was playing against the threes.

Bottom line is that I will simply wait to see who looks best as our back-ups as the next few games play out. I'm not going to call for the team to shit can Mannion, or Lucas, or Williams, or Hill based on the first game where the Rams decided not only to sit out almost all their starters, Baltimore (having already played a game) put in all their starters except Flacco, and I think the coaching staff just wanted to see a little bit of game time action to BEGIN the evaluation process.

If we are going to come to final judgement on players based on yesterday's game, I guess we should keep maybe three players and ask for a do over in the draft and FA. Short of that I'm thinking maybe some of this will sort itself out and the coaches will come up with the closest thing to the best 53 possible.

Keep in mind that NO team is ever going to put their entire 2nd or third string in a meaningful game. Our back-ups are not going to be as bad, nor our situation so dire as it looks in these situations. One lineman being subbed in is going to get help. A DB with the depth we have in our backfield is not going to be able to be singled out and picked on. Our QB won't have guys in his hip pocket while he looks for a little immediate separation from limited snap receivers. Our RBs will rarely get blown back because two defenders absolutely molested our O-line. QBs won't have all day and get to run through our D-line so that our back-up CB is the last line of defense.

I have to admit that I tried to watch that game and pay attention. Unfortunately, NO ONE looked to be playing very well and I couldn't honestly tell you without doing replay and slo-mo, what broke down in a given play. There were a few flashes by certain players but I'm not sure you can take much else from it.

 

[Loyal]

Meh - Mannion looked awful. There's no denying that. But there is also merit in what @bubbaramfan is saying. Y'all want to anoint Allen to leap frog Mannion with the argument that Allen too wasn't playing with the ones. But many also acknowledge that the rookie O-line played better than the likes of Lucas and Williams. Of course you all ignore the other fact that Mannion was playing against the Ravens ones and twos while Allen was playing against the threes.

Bottom line is that I will simply wait to see who looks best as our back-ups as the next few games play out. I'm not going to call for the team to crap can Mannion, or Lucas, or Williams, or Hill based on the first game where the Rams decided not only to sit out almost all their starters, Baltimore (having already played a game) put in all their starters except Flacco, and I think the coaching staff just wanted to see a little bit of game time action to BEGIN the evaluation process.

If we are going to come to final judgement on players based on yesterday's game, I guess we should keep maybe three players and ask for a do over in the draft and FA. Short of that I'm thinking maybe some of this will sort itself out and the coaches will come up with the closest thing to the best 53 possible.

Keep in mind that NO team is ever going to put their entire 2nd or third string in a meaningful game. Our back-ups are not going to be as bad, nor our situation so dire as it looks in these situations. One lineman being subbed in is going to get help. A DB with the depth we have in our backfield is not going to be able to be singled out and picked on. Our QB won't have guys in his hip pocket while he looks for a little immediate separation from limited snap receivers. Our RBs will rarely get blown back because two defenders absolutely molested our O-line. QBs won't have all day and get to run through our D-line so that our back-up CB is the last line of defense.

I have to admit that I tried to watch that game and pay attention. Unfortunately, NO ONE looked to be playing very well and I couldn't honestly tell you without doing replay and slo-mo, what broke down in a given play. There were a few flashes by certain players but I'm not sure you can take much else from it.

1. I'm only ready to annoint Allen because he's a QB on the roster...I'm also considering Johnny Hekker, and you if you can throw a tight spiral, you da man!:rockon:
2. It wasn't only because of the last game, except it's the straw that broke the camel's back, after 3 plus years of waiting to see anything from Sean Mannion.
3. It is a fair comment about him facing the Ones of Baltimore. He also should have been the most ready to face such a challenge. My problems with him predate last nights game (scroll above for those if you want). The Ravens played with all starters last night, including Joe Flacco (fyi)

 

[kurtfaulk]

PFF referred to Ebukam, as "UNBLOCKABLE" against the Ravens:

Edge defender Samson Ebakum was a bright spot as he was nearly unblockable rushing the passer. His athleticism and quickness with his hands give him an array of moves to use on blockers

this is what my eyes told me. he wasn't unblockable but when he did make plays he was the only guy heading towards the qb so they had room to move away from him. imagine him doing that with ad, suh and brockers caving in the oline. sack city.

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[kurtfaulk]

Just sayin , Give him some time with the fist team and let him freak it up, I'll be right there with ya to run him out of town, He hasn't had that chance.

i hope you only mean in preseason because i want that guy nowhere near the first team in real games. he just seems to process things and move slowly.

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[bubbaramfan]

Of course that what I mean.

 

[RamFan503]

The thing for Mannion is - he has to convince McVay he is the better option. He doesn't win a tie. He likely doesn't win if he convinces McVay he is slightly better at this stage than Allen.

Allen is McVay's boy, of course. Mannion was inherited.

Allen has about a quarter of a million less cap hit.

Allen has one more year before free agency, meaning the Rams can draft somebody this offseason, spend a year developing him, and have him be ready as a backup when Allen is gone. It will be much more stressful with Mannion, unless they keep Allen also. But even then, they would need to draft somebody for future seasons.

Allen has less experience, but has looked good so far. Realistically, Allen can grow more with a season under McVay.

There's still time, but after one game, I'd have to say Allen is far more likely to keep his job.

And I can certainly get behind this rationale. I would agree that if at this point, McVay thinks Mannion is only slightly better than Allen, he will give Allen more snaps and will push him ahead of Mannion. If that happens, I'm good with it. The coach is doing his job as I think we all know he will. If, however, this does not happen, I will not believe that I saw things that McVay doesn't and think Allen should be the back-up.

That's just wrong. He could have made plays last night instead he overthrew receivers, missed receivers and threw the ball in the wrong spot for a receiver to run after the catch.

Please go back and review Mannions supposed illustrious career at OSU he threw for alot of yards BUT was anything but accurate. He is a dead footed QB like Brees, Warner and Bulger but all three of these QBs have what Sean lacks - accuracy! If your going to be a pure pocket passer with very limited mobility you better be accurate.

Yeah - not true. He threw a lot of short passes in his college career (not as many as Brees of course) but also hit on a lot of long passes. Oh... he also had a higher completion percentage than Brees.

None of this matters of course. It is all about what he does with the Rams. But let's not recreate history. Brees got better when he got to the NFL. So far, it doesn't look like Mannion has. He either will, or he'll be looking for a job.

Before I would cut a quarterback that I'd invested that much time in and somehow looked proficient enough in the offense to make me want to keep him thus far.

I would still have to evaluate his performance with the ones over a two-game period.

At that point, if he still didn't look like he was getting any better?
Yeah, cut him.

But at this point you almost have to ride it out.
He's going to be gone next year anyway, mtl.

And you are still allowed to keep a third quarterback on the 53 if Mannion does flop.
And mostly it would depend on McVay's gut feeling on the subject.

Intranet pundits with only partial information?
Not so much.

To be fair, I'd like to see them do the bolded with both Allen and Mannion. In the end though, they will evaluate them as they see fit. We fans will simply argue about who is better.

2. It wasn't only because of the last game, except it's the straw that broke the camel's back, after 3 plus years of waiting to see anything from Sean Mannion.

I just don't agree that you or I or anyone else on here has seen anything of the depth that our coaches have seen. There is literally NO reason Mannion would still be here if they only saw what you are looking at. And though I might give you the Fisher years (only for argument's sake), this coach actually KNOWS what a QB looks like.

He also should have been the most ready to face such a challenge.

That I believe should be true. And he looked awful to me as well. We still have time for the coaches to evaluate and for him to show if he can do better. I'll admit that I have been in Mannion's camp as I watched him play his entire college career. I actually saw him look better than Mariota in the Civil War Game. He looked more pro ready. But it will take me about ten seconds to get over it if he is cut and replaced by another #2. It's not like he hasn't had a chance. He hasn't demonstrated the ability to push out the #1 QB, so if we have a younger, possibly better option, I'm absolutely fine with us moving on.

 

[jrry32]

That's just wrong. He could have made plays last night instead he overthrew receivers, missed receivers and threw the ball in the wrong spot for a receiver to run after the catch.

Please go back and review Mannions supposed illustrious career at OSU he threw for alot of yards BUT was anything but accurate. He is a dead footed QB like Brees, Warner and Bulger but all three of these QBs have what Sean lacks - accuracy! If your going to be a pure pocket passer with very limited mobility you better be accurate.

Brees isn't a dead-footed QB. He moves quite well in the pocket. That's what has allowed him to be successful in the NFL. He's very adept at moving within the pocket to find and create throwing lanes. But yea, agree on Mannion's OSU career. I watched him while scouting Markus Wheaton and Brandin Cooks, and I didn't think he was draftable before the 7th round.

 

[Loyal]

And I can certainly get behind this rationale. I would agree that if at this point, McVay thinks Mannion is only slightly better than Allen, he will give Allen more snaps and will push him ahead of Mannion. If that happens, I'm good with it. The coach is doing his job as I think we all know he will. If, however, this does not happen, I will not believe that I saw things that McVay doesn't and think Allen should be the back-up.


Yeah - not true. He threw a lot of short passes in his college career (not as many as Brees of course) but also hit on a lot of long passes. Oh... he also had a higher completion percentage than Brees.

None of this matters of course. It is all about what he does with the Rams. But let's not recreate history. Brees got better when he got to the NFL. So far, it doesn't look like Mannion has. He either will, or he'll be looking for a job.


To be fair, I'd like to see them do the bolded with both Allen and Mannion. In the end though, they will evaluate them as they see fit. We fans will simply argue about who is better.


I just don't agree that you or I or anyone else on here has seen anything of the depth that our coaches have seen. There is literally NO reason Mannion would still be here if they only saw what you are looking at. And though I might give you the Fisher years (only for argument's sake), this coach actually KNOWS what a QB looks like.


That I believe should be true. And he looked awful to me as well. We still have time for the coaches to evaluate and for him to show if he can do better. I'll admit that I have been in Mannion's camp as I watched him play his entire college career. I actually saw him look better than Mariota in the Civil War Game. He looked more pro ready. But it will take me about ten seconds to get over it if he is cut and replaced by another #2. It's not like he hasn't had a chance. He hasn't demonstrated the ability to push out the #1 QB, so if we have a younger, possibly better option, I'm absolutely fine with us moving on.

A I said in a different post, my opinion doesn't trump McVay when the final 53 is chosen. I'll still have my beliefs about Mannion, because they were not just formed by yesterday's game, but I trust McVay. Let's just hope to God that Goff stays healthy and my fears aren't tested.

So you're a Beaver Beleiver, instead of a Quacker Backer?
BLASPHEMY. Get a rope!

 

[RamFan503]

So you're a Beaver Beleiver, instead of a Quacker Backer?
BLASPHEMY. Get a rope!

Actually both. My oldest went to OSU and my youngest goes to UofO. I'm mostly a Ducks fan but used to watch all the Oregon college games. Most of the time, they played one after the other and if they didn't, I just found a stream.

Frankly, it was always easier to key in on the better players on OSU teams because they had so few of them. UofO had some pretty damn good talent.